Police: "We only kill black people"

[Foo]

I had no idea so many people had such psychological problems to give two shits about a 70 year old movie. You can't even watch old TV shows in peace anymore with out someone crying about it.

Buy my new book! "George Jefferson made me seek refuge in my safe space in 2017!"

yeah, such psychological problems. but you better stand for the anthem!

censorship and authoritarianism comes from conservatives and liberals alike.

You should stand for the anthem. I am not going to stop you from sitting.

i'm just shit if i do sit.

Sure, but you are allowed to.

good. the theater was allowed to play gone with the wind, but they were pressured into not playing it.

You think that is good?

[zombie]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

[zombie]

I had no idea so many people had such psychological problems to give two shits about a 70 year old movie. You can't even watch old TV shows in peace anymore with out someone crying about it.

Buy my new book! "George Jefferson made me seek refuge in my safe space in 2017!"

yeah, such psychological problems. but you better stand for the anthem!

censorship and authoritarianism comes from conservatives and liberals alike.

You should stand for the anthem. I am not going to stop you from sitting.

i'm just shit if i do sit.

Sure, but you are allowed to.

good. the theater was allowed to play gone with the wind, but they were pressured into not playing it.

You think that is good?

not at all. but i think it's the same as pressuring people to stand for the anthem, even though they are allowed not to do so.

[Foo]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

[zombie]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

you'd think that hospital staff and supervisors and nurses would be made aware of the laws that they are expected to follow, and that they would be held to that, as policy. *shrug*

[Foo]

I had no idea so many people had such psychological problems to give two shits about a 70 year old movie. You can't even watch old TV shows in peace anymore with out someone crying about it.

Buy my new book! "George Jefferson made me seek refuge in my safe space in 2017!"

yeah, such psychological problems. but you better stand for the anthem!

censorship and authoritarianism comes from conservatives and liberals alike.

You should stand for the anthem. I am not going to stop you from sitting.

i'm just shit if i do sit.

Sure, but you are allowed to.

good. the theater was allowed to play gone with the wind, but they were pressured into not playing it.

You think that is good?

not at all. but i think it's the same as pressuring people to stand for the anthem, even though they are allowed not to do so.

Pressuring people to not display art. revered art in this country that has been honored and displayed for like 70 years, is the same as looking down on a classless fool who doesn't understand respect for others who have given to them?

[Foo]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

you'd think that hospital staff and supervisors and nurses would be made aware of the laws that they are expected to follow, and that they would be held to that, as policy. *shrug*

In today's world, it is not all that uncommon for politics to play a part, as well.

In defense of the hospital, sometimes law can appear to conflict with their HIPPA laws and regulations. Also, crappily written laws tend to be the norm rather than the exception, forcing all sorts of interpretation, both honest and dishonest.

[zombie]

Pressuring people to not display art. revered art in this country that has been honored and displayed for like 70 years, is the same as looking down on a classless fool who doesn't understand respect for others who have given to them?

you can look down on someone all you want. you can look down on them for not playing gone with the wind. you can look down on them for not standing during the anthem. you don't see a difference between holding an opinion or viewpoint, and forcing that opinion or viewpoint onto others?

[zombie]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

you'd think that hospital staff and supervisors and nurses would be made aware of the laws that they are expected to follow, and that they would be held to that, as policy. *shrug*

In today's world, it is not all that uncommon for politics to play a part, as well.

In defense of the hospital, sometimes law can appear to conflict with their HIPPA laws and regulations. Also, crappily written laws tend to be the norm rather than the exception, forcing all sorts of interpretation, both honest and dishonest.

what about politics? what are you getting at?

they specifically said there needed to be a warrant to get his blood, because he could not consent to it as he was unconscious. that doesn't seem like a question of violation. it seems like clear policy. and if it's the norm that laws can be abused and twisted, that needs to be sorted out.

[Jmac Attack]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

you'd think that hospital staff and supervisors and nurses would be made aware of the laws that they are expected to follow, and that they would be held to that, as policy. *shrug*

In today's world, it is not all that uncommon for politics to play a part, as well.

In defense of the hospital, sometimes law can appear to conflict with their HIPPA laws and regulations. Also, crappily written laws tend to be the norm rather than the exception, forcing all sorts of interpretation, both honest and dishonest.

what about politics? what are you getting at?

they specifically said there needed to be a warrant to get his blood, because he could not consent to it as he was unconscious. that doesn't seem like a question of violation. it seems like clear policy. and if it's the norm that laws can be abused and twisted, that needs to be sorted out.

I thought Foo was a libertarian? Or is it independent? Usually those folks would think it's bullshit. *Shrugs*

[Jmac Attack]

Ok, so the guy wasn't a suspect. They didn't have a warrant. The nurse was in the right. She was following Hipaa laws. And if she does allow the cop to do this, she could be sued by the guy. I am on team "Nurse". What if that was you?

[Foo]

Pressuring people to not display art. revered art in this country that has been honored and displayed for like 70 years, is the same as looking down on a classless fool who doesn't understand respect for others who have given to them?

you can look down on someone all you want. you can look down on them for not playing gone with the wind. you can look down on them for not standing during the anthem. you don't see a difference between holding an opinion or viewpoint, and forcing that opinion or viewpoint onto others?

I can look at a piece of art and say it is shit and look at a person who has no respect for what others have given them and say they are shit. At no point am I stopping anything.

[Foo]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

you'd think that hospital staff and supervisors and nurses would be made aware of the laws that they are expected to follow, and that they would be held to that, as policy. *shrug*

In today's world, it is not all that uncommon for politics to play a part, as well.

In defense of the hospital, sometimes law can appear to conflict with their HIPPA laws and regulations. Also, crappily written laws tend to be the norm rather than the exception, forcing all sorts of interpretation, both honest and dishonest.

what about politics? what are you getting at?

they specifically said there needed to be a warrant to get his blood, because he could not consent to it as he was unconscious. that doesn't seem like a question of violation. it seems like clear policy. and if it's the norm that laws can be abused and twisted, that needs to be sorted out.

Again, in Utah there are police, including those conducting traffic stops who can draw blood for testing. Do you think they have a warrant during a roadside DUI stop? What do you think happens if you refuse to give blood at that stop? You get arrested, right?

I am not saying I know Utah law, I am saying that Utah law may be different. I am guessing you dont know anything about Utah law, either. Maybe we should wait and see what develops before lashing out at the police like it is a natural instinct.

There was a terrible crash. Let the police do their job and get justice for the victim. I believe the guy in the hospital from whom they were trying to get blood from was a victim. If his blood comes back clean that night, don't you think his family would want that information?

[zombie]

Pressuring people to not display art. revered art in this country that has been honored and displayed for like 70 years, is the same as looking down on a classless fool who doesn't understand respect for others who have given to them?

you can look down on someone all you want. you can look down on them for not playing gone with the wind. you can look down on them for not standing during the anthem. you don't see a difference between holding an opinion or viewpoint, and forcing that opinion or viewpoint onto others?

I can look at a piece of art and say it is shit and look at a person who has no respect for what others have given them and say they are shit. At no point am I stopping anything.

no you're not stopping anything. you're bullying other people to stop it.

[Headhunter]

Gone with the Wind is heavy on the "Lost Cause" schtick but it's art, it's allowed to go off the reservation. People should not look to Hollywood movies for an education on Southern history.

[Headhunter]

I don't see a similar fate as Birth of a Nation though. Birth of a Nation was considered one of the essential American films, up there with all the classics up to the 40s, until the 1960s and it has pretty much been eliminated from the national conscience. It's apples and oranges though, and that movie got the country in a KKK frenzy at the time of its release. Gone with the Wind has its place.

[Foo]

Ok, so the guy wasn't a suspect. They didn't have a warrant. The nurse was in the right. She was following Hipaa laws. And if she does allow the cop to do this, she could be sued by the guy. I am on team "Nurse". What if that was you?

Good lord. J-Mac's School of Jurisprudence.

I am on team justice. As in, let's work together to find the truth and punish the bad guys instead of assisting the bad guys by making the cop's job harder. To me, the situation was unfortunate, and I hope they find a simple resolution to make sure it does not happen again like that. It is not "GO TEAM!".

[Foo]

Pressuring people to not display art. revered art in this country that has been honored and displayed for like 70 years, is the same as looking down on a classless fool who doesn't understand respect for others who have given to them?

you can look down on someone all you want. you can look down on them for not playing gone with the wind. you can look down on them for not standing during the anthem. you don't see a difference between holding an opinion or viewpoint, and forcing that opinion or viewpoint onto others?

I can look at a piece of art and say it is shit and look at a person who has no respect for what others have given them and say they are shit. At no point am I stopping anything.

no you're not stopping anything. you're bullying other people to stop it.

I hope so! Bullying is underrated.

[zombie]

http://www.standard.net/Courts/2016/05/ ... ommonplace

if she was interfering with what they had the right to do, why was she not charged at all?

Possibly because they recognized she was simply following what she was told.

you mean she was following the law? they knew at the scene that she was following what she was told. he even tried to snatch the phone away from her.

Hospital policy is not interchangeable with the law. I am not sure what the law is, but Utah is a unique place when you consider you have troopers taking blood from DUI suspects. The fact that the trooper was given a directive to arrest those obstructing leads me to believe there is some history at play.

You can be arrested and later they decide to not pursue charges for a variety of reasons.

i didn't see him getting a directive. i saw him losing his patience and making the decision to cuff her and drag her to his car, on his own.

Context. He was informed prior to arrest if they obstructed.

you'd think that hospital staff and supervisors and nurses would be made aware of the laws that they are expected to follow, and that they would be held to that, as policy. *shrug*

In today's world, it is not all that uncommon for politics to play a part, as well.

In defense of the hospital, sometimes law can appear to conflict with their HIPPA laws and regulations. Also, crappily written laws tend to be the norm rather than the exception, forcing all sorts of interpretation, both honest and dishonest.

what about politics? what are you getting at?

they specifically said there needed to be a warrant to get his blood, because he could not consent to it as he was unconscious. that doesn't seem like a question of violation. it seems like clear policy. and if it's the norm that laws can be abused and twisted, that needs to be sorted out.

Again, in Utah there are police, including those conducting traffic stops who can draw blood for testing. Do you think they have a warrant during a roadside DUI stop? What do you think happens if you refuse to give blood at that stop? You get arrested, right?

I am not saying I know Utah law, I am saying that Utah law may be different. I am guessing you dont know anything about Utah law, either. Maybe we should wait and see what develops before lashing out at the police like it is a natural instinct.

There was a terrible crash. Let the police do their job and get justice for the victim. I believe the guy in the hospital from whom they were trying to get blood from was a victim. If his blood comes back clean that night, don't you think his family would want that information?

i'm not lashing out just because he's a cop, or else i wouldn't have defended the cop that this thread was originally about, but that is a convenient way to force your narrative.

but you're right that i don't know the law in utah. and i don't understand the reasoning for taking blood at a traffic stop or anything. but this was at a hospital. and the man who they wanted to take blood from was not ever a suspect, to my knowledge, nor was he breaking any laws (such as speeding, because of your earlier example) as he was unconscious.

[Foo]

I don't see a similar fate as Birth of a Nation though. Birth of a Nation was considered one of the essential American films, up there with all the classics up to the 40s, until the 1960s and it has pretty much been eliminated from the national conscience. It's apples and oranges though, and that movie got the country in a KKK frenzy at the time of its release. Gone with the Wind has its place.

I was actually thinking of Birth of a Nation the other day when we were discussing the statues and erasing history.