NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl

[Jason]

Lol. No it isn't. Lawrence was so much stronger than Von. L.T. was never once outmuscled on the line by anyone. Dude has been known to ragdoll multiple linemen at the same time on the same play. To say he absolutely couldn't close an A gap is absurd.

[Headhunter]

Lol. No it isn't. Lawrence was so much stronger than Von. L.T. was never once outmuscled on the line by anyone. Dude has been known to ragdoll multiple linemen at the same time on the same play. To say he absolutely couldn't close an A gap is absurd.

"Never once". Do you always have to speak in absolutes with no evidence?

It's not absurd, it's reality. For an edge rusher, his strength was superhuman. For an interior rusher without the ability to transfer speed to power, his strengths would have been mitigated and he would have been washed out. You don't seem to understand how space affects play strength. If LT doesn't have a running start, a double team by a guard and center would absolutely flatten him.

[Jason]

Lol. No it isn't. Lawrence was so much stronger than Von. L.T. was never once outmuscled on the line by anyone. Dude has been known to ragdoll multiple linemen at the same time on the same play. To say he absolutely couldn't close an A gap is absurd.

"Never once". Do you always have to speak in absolutes with no evidence?

It's not absurd, it's reality. For an edge rusher, his strength was superhuman. For an interior rusher without the ability to transfer speed to power, his strengths would have been mitigated and he would have been washed out. You don't seem to understand how space affects play strength. If LT doesn't have a running start, a double team by a guard and center would absolutely flatten him.

You got me. I don't have every play Lawrence was ever involved in to prove he wasn't outmuscled. But uh, never a once did I ever see it.

I watched that dude lined up at nose tackle, I shit you not, blow through the fuckin' guard and trip the tailback for a 5-yard loss. He could do it all.

[Headhunter]

Lol. No it isn't. Lawrence was so much stronger than Von. L.T. was never once outmuscled on the line by anyone. Dude has been known to ragdoll multiple linemen at the same time on the same play. To say he absolutely couldn't close an A gap is absurd.

"Never once". Do you always have to speak in absolutes with no evidence?

It's not absurd, it's reality. For an edge rusher, his strength was superhuman. For an interior rusher without the ability to transfer speed to power, his strengths would have been mitigated and he would have been washed out. You don't seem to understand how space affects play strength. If LT doesn't have a running start, a double team by a guard and center would absolutely flatten him.

You got me. I don't have every play Lawrence was ever involved in to prove he wasn't outmuscled.

I watched that dude lined up at nose tackle, I shit you not, blow through the fuckin' guard and trip the tailback for a 5-yard loss. He could do it all.

You don't have to, the premise is ridiculous enough to not require any background.

If he were able to consistently dominate A and B gaps as you say, Belichick would have lined him up there as it's the most effective way to ruin an offense. Reggie White played all over the line because he could win every matchup.

[Jason]

Lol. No it isn't. Lawrence was so much stronger than Von. L.T. was never once outmuscled on the line by anyone. Dude has been known to ragdoll multiple linemen at the same time on the same play. To say he absolutely couldn't close an A gap is absurd.

"Never once". Do you always have to speak in absolutes with no evidence?

It's not absurd, it's reality. For an edge rusher, his strength was superhuman. For an interior rusher without the ability to transfer speed to power, his strengths would have been mitigated and he would have been washed out. You don't seem to understand how space affects play strength. If LT doesn't have a running start, a double team by a guard and center would absolutely flatten him.

You got me. I don't have every play Lawrence was ever involved in to prove he wasn't outmuscled.

I watched that dude lined up at nose tackle, I shit you not, blow through the fuckin' guard and trip the tailback for a 5-yard loss. He could do it all.

You don't have to, the premise is ridiculous enough to not require any background.

If he were able to consistently dominate A and B gaps as you say, Belichick would have lined him up there as it's the most effective way to ruin an offense. Reggie White played all over the line because he could win every matchup.

Find me a play where he was outmuscled then, since you're so convinced he was.

Incorrect. They already had Marshall, Burt and Martin to cover the gaps. L.T. was a nightmare for the GOATest of tackles. And then the Super Bowl era with Dorsey and Howard. There is a reason why the 1990 Giants defense is one of the greatest we've ever seen.

[Jason]

Parcells has been on record multiple times saying Lawrence would break his assignment of closing a gap or dropping into coverage to blow through and rush the passer.

[Headhunter]

Lol. No it isn't. Lawrence was so much stronger than Von. L.T. was never once outmuscled on the line by anyone. Dude has been known to ragdoll multiple linemen at the same time on the same play. To say he absolutely couldn't close an A gap is absurd.

"Never once". Do you always have to speak in absolutes with no evidence?

It's not absurd, it's reality. For an edge rusher, his strength was superhuman. For an interior rusher without the ability to transfer speed to power, his strengths would have been mitigated and he would have been washed out. You don't seem to understand how space affects play strength. If LT doesn't have a running start, a double team by a guard and center would absolutely flatten him.

You got me. I don't have every play Lawrence was ever involved in to prove he wasn't outmuscled.

I watched that dude lined up at nose tackle, I shit you not, blow through the fuckin' guard and trip the tailback for a 5-yard loss. He could do it all.

You don't have to, the premise is ridiculous enough to not require any background.

If he were able to consistently dominate A and B gaps as you say, Belichick would have lined him up there as it's the most effective way to ruin an offense. Reggie White played all over the line because he could win every matchup.

Find me a play where he was outmuscled then, since you're so convinced he was.

Incorrect. They already had Marshall, Burt and Martin to cover the gaps. L.T. was a nightmare for the GOATest of tackles. There is a reason why the 1990 Giants defense is one of the greatest we've ever seen.

I don't need to prove a player didn't win every single matchup in his entire career. Again, the premise is hilarious.

Burt and Martin were not even on that team. Regardless, If you have a player who can dominate at an All-Pro level from a position where you're going to affect the game the most, you find ways to put them in those spots when it's advantageous. Belichick spent his entire career doing that. He knew LT couldn't because of the physical deficiencies I outlined.

This is not Madden.

[Headhunter]

Parcells has been on record multiple times saying Lawrence would break his assignment of closing a gap or dropping into coverage to blow through and rush the passer.

Yes, we all know that. He did that from the edge position, so not sure what that is supposed to show me.

[Jason]

I don't need to prove a player didn't win every single matchup in his entire career. Again, the premise is hilarious.

Burt and Martin were not even on that team. Regardless, If you have a player who can dominate at an All-Pro level from a position where you're going to affect the game the most, you find ways to put them in those spots when it's advantageous. Belichick spent his entire career doing that. He knew LT couldn't because of the physical deficiencies I outlined.

This is not Madden.

I said a one play. Not every play.

I was off by like 4 years. Sue me. :p
Dude, L.T. just standing there was enough to throw off an offense. It's no secret Ron Jaworski was terrified of L.T. every time they played. He once called a timeout because he couldn't locate Lawrence on the line, only to find he was on a breather at the sidelines. One tackle said he retired early because of L.T. We can speculate all day about it. You say he couldn't do NT or DE efficiently, I say they didn't put him there because the trio of Marshall/Burt/Martin and Marshall/Howard/Dorsey were perfectly fine. And dropping him in coverage every 5-10 snaps was enough to make his rushing even more advantageous. Lawrence has never once given anyone a reason to doubt his physical capabilities, so I'm absolutely giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't played Madden since Daunte Culpepper was on the cover.

[Headhunter]

I said a one play.

I was off by like 4 years. Sue me. :p
Dude, L.T. just standing there was enough to throw off an offense. It's no secret Ron Jaworski was terrified of L.T. every time they played. He once called a timeout because he couldn't locate Lawrence on the line, only to find he was on a breather at the sidelines. One tackle said he retired early because of L.T. We can speculate all day about it. You say he couldn't do NT or DE efficiently, I say they didn't put him there because the trio of Marshall/Burt/Martin and Marshall/Howard/Dorsey were perfectly fine. And dropping him in coverage every 5-10 snaps was enough to make his rushing even more advantageous. Lawrence has never once given anyone a reason to doubt his physical capabilities, so I'm absolutely giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't played Madden since Daunte Culpepper was on the cover.

I'm saying he couldn't play on the interior effectively because he flat out physically couldn't. It's like trying to put a 190 pound safety in the box as an inside linebacker play after play. In certain situations they may be able to make a sporadic play because of their athleticism but for the most part they'd be overpowered and wasted. Reggie was at no physical disadvantage anywhere on the line. 4.6 speed at 300 pounds with nose tackle strength.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt because of idol worship and nostalgia, not anything rational. It's like Lakers fans who swear Kobe never failed in the clutch because they glorify every great moment and easily dismiss anything else.

[Jason]

I said a one play.

I was off by like 4 years. Sue me. :p
Dude, L.T. just standing there was enough to throw off an offense. It's no secret Ron Jaworski was terrified of L.T. every time they played. He once called a timeout because he couldn't locate Lawrence on the line, only to find he was on a breather at the sidelines. One tackle said he retired early because of L.T. We can speculate all day about it. You say he couldn't do NT or DE efficiently, I say they didn't put him there because the trio of Marshall/Burt/Martin and Marshall/Howard/Dorsey were perfectly fine. And dropping him in coverage every 5-10 snaps was enough to make his rushing even more advantageous. Lawrence has never once given anyone a reason to doubt his physical capabilities, so I'm absolutely giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't played Madden since Daunte Culpepper was on the cover.

I'm saying he couldn't play on the interior effectively because he flat out physically couldn't. It's like trying to put a 190 pound safety in the box as an inside linebacker play after play. In certain situations they may be able to make a sporadic play because of their athleticism but for the most part they'd be overpowered and wasted. Reggie was at no physical disadvantage anywhere on the line. 4.6 speed at 300 pounds with nose tackle strength.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt because of idol worship and nostalgia, not anything rational. It's like Lakers fans who swear Kobe never failed in the clutch because they glorify every great moment and easily dismiss anything else.

There is no evidence anywhere to say he couldn't. I have seen 10,000 plays from Lawrence Taylor. You probably have, too. I've seen him close gaps before, and in highlight reel fashion. I've watched him ragdoll tackles, guards, centers and tight ends. Whether getting a running start or in a 3- point stance like Reggie loved to do. He was an absolute freak of nature. A real once-ever athlete.

There is a reason I love Lawrence Taylor, and it was because he did things that we have never seen replicated in the history of football. There is no reason for me to not give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't say this out of "idol worship". But I do appreciate you trying to woo me with the Laker rib.

[Headhunter]

I said a one play.

I was off by like 4 years. Sue me. :p
Dude, L.T. just standing there was enough to throw off an offense. It's no secret Ron Jaworski was terrified of L.T. every time they played. He once called a timeout because he couldn't locate Lawrence on the line, only to find he was on a breather at the sidelines. One tackle said he retired early because of L.T. We can speculate all day about it. You say he couldn't do NT or DE efficiently, I say they didn't put him there because the trio of Marshall/Burt/Martin and Marshall/Howard/Dorsey were perfectly fine. And dropping him in coverage every 5-10 snaps was enough to make his rushing even more advantageous. Lawrence has never once given anyone a reason to doubt his physical capabilities, so I'm absolutely giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't played Madden since Daunte Culpepper was on the cover.

I'm saying he couldn't play on the interior effectively because he flat out physically couldn't. It's like trying to put a 190 pound safety in the box as an inside linebacker play after play. In certain situations they may be able to make a sporadic play because of their athleticism but for the most part they'd be overpowered and wasted. Reggie was at no physical disadvantage anywhere on the line. 4.6 speed at 300 pounds with nose tackle strength.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt because of idol worship and nostalgia, not anything rational. It's like Lakers fans who swear Kobe never failed in the clutch because they glorify every great moment and easily dismiss anything else.

There is no evidence anywhere to say he couldn't. I have seen 10,000 plays from Lawrence Taylor. You probably have, too. I've seen him close gaps before, and in highlight reel fashion. I've watched him ragdoll tackles, guards, centers and tight ends. Whether getting a running start or in a 3- point stance like Reggie loved to do. He was an absolute freak of nature. A real once-ever athlete.

There is a reason I love Lawrence Taylor, and it was because he did things that we have never seen replicated in the history of football. There is no reason for me to not give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't say this out of "idol worship". But I do appreciate you trying to woo me with the Laker rib.

The evidence is logic and physics. The dynamics are completely different rushing inside. It's easier with a running start on the edge, whether standing up or in a 3 point stance. A smaller guy is not generating the power to blow up guys like that with no space to build up speed.

[Jason]

I said a one play.

I was off by like 4 years. Sue me. :p
Dude, L.T. just standing there was enough to throw off an offense. It's no secret Ron Jaworski was terrified of L.T. every time they played. He once called a timeout because he couldn't locate Lawrence on the line, only to find he was on a breather at the sidelines. One tackle said he retired early because of L.T. We can speculate all day about it. You say he couldn't do NT or DE efficiently, I say they didn't put him there because the trio of Marshall/Burt/Martin and Marshall/Howard/Dorsey were perfectly fine. And dropping him in coverage every 5-10 snaps was enough to make his rushing even more advantageous. Lawrence has never once given anyone a reason to doubt his physical capabilities, so I'm absolutely giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't played Madden since Daunte Culpepper was on the cover.

I'm saying he couldn't play on the interior effectively because he flat out physically couldn't. It's like trying to put a 190 pound safety in the box as an inside linebacker play after play. In certain situations they may be able to make a sporadic play because of their athleticism but for the most part they'd be overpowered and wasted. Reggie was at no physical disadvantage anywhere on the line. 4.6 speed at 300 pounds with nose tackle strength.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt because of idol worship and nostalgia, not anything rational. It's like Lakers fans who swear Kobe never failed in the clutch because they glorify every great moment and easily dismiss anything else.

There is no evidence anywhere to say he couldn't. I have seen 10,000 plays from Lawrence Taylor. You probably have, too. I've seen him close gaps before, and in highlight reel fashion. I've watched him ragdoll tackles, guards, centers and tight ends. Whether getting a running start or in a 3- point stance like Reggie loved to do. He was an absolute freak of nature. A real once-ever athlete.

There is a reason I love Lawrence Taylor, and it was because he did things that we have never seen replicated in the history of football. There is no reason for me to not give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't say this out of "idol worship". But I do appreciate you trying to woo me with the Laker rib.

The evidence is logic and physics. The dynamics are completely different rushing inside. It's easier with a running start on the edge, whether standing up or in a 3 point stance. A smaller guy is not generating the power to blow up guys like that with no space to build up speed.

He's done it without running. I thought I made that clear before. He's already proven that he is strong enough to do it. The only thing I would bend on is maybe his cardio not keeping up with the extra weight if he's gonna be doing it for full games. But who knows, cocaine is a helluva drug.

[Headhunter]

I said a one play.

I was off by like 4 years. Sue me. :p
Dude, L.T. just standing there was enough to throw off an offense. It's no secret Ron Jaworski was terrified of L.T. every time they played. He once called a timeout because he couldn't locate Lawrence on the line, only to find he was on a breather at the sidelines. One tackle said he retired early because of L.T. We can speculate all day about it. You say he couldn't do NT or DE efficiently, I say they didn't put him there because the trio of Marshall/Burt/Martin and Marshall/Howard/Dorsey were perfectly fine. And dropping him in coverage every 5-10 snaps was enough to make his rushing even more advantageous. Lawrence has never once given anyone a reason to doubt his physical capabilities, so I'm absolutely giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

I haven't played Madden since Daunte Culpepper was on the cover.

I'm saying he couldn't play on the interior effectively because he flat out physically couldn't. It's like trying to put a 190 pound safety in the box as an inside linebacker play after play. In certain situations they may be able to make a sporadic play because of their athleticism but for the most part they'd be overpowered and wasted. Reggie was at no physical disadvantage anywhere on the line. 4.6 speed at 300 pounds with nose tackle strength.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt because of idol worship and nostalgia, not anything rational. It's like Lakers fans who swear Kobe never failed in the clutch because they glorify every great moment and easily dismiss anything else.

There is no evidence anywhere to say he couldn't. I have seen 10,000 plays from Lawrence Taylor. You probably have, too. I've seen him close gaps before, and in highlight reel fashion. I've watched him ragdoll tackles, guards, centers and tight ends. Whether getting a running start or in a 3- point stance like Reggie loved to do. He was an absolute freak of nature. A real once-ever athlete.

There is a reason I love Lawrence Taylor, and it was because he did things that we have never seen replicated in the history of football. There is no reason for me to not give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't say this out of "idol worship". But I do appreciate you trying to woo me with the Laker rib.

The evidence is logic and physics. The dynamics are completely different rushing inside. It's easier with a running start on the edge, whether standing up or in a 3 point stance. A smaller guy is not generating the power to blow up guys like that with no space to build up speed.

He's done it without running. I thought I made that clear before. He's already proven that he is strong enough to do it. The only thing I would bend on is maybe his cardio not keeping up with the extra weight if he's gonna be doing it for full games. But who knows, cocaine is a helluva drug.

No, you didn't make that clear. You said "or in a 3-point stance". You still run out of a 3-point stance on the edge. Whether your hand is on the ground or not is irrelevant. A lot of guys are actually more explosive with their hand in the ground. Bradley Chubb has been lining up out of a four point stance as a 3-4 OLB because he gets the best running start out of it.

He did not prove to have the strength to do it without the momentum of exploding out of space. Without that momentum, his play strength would not measure up, especially in the run game. A guard and center coming off the ball with a double team would pancake his 240 pound frame.

[Headhunter]

Baker Mayfield looked goooooood

[Jason]

About as good as Splooge, but with o-line help.

[Jason]

Meawhile Johnny Canadian Football is throwing picks in the CFL all day.

[Tiggnutz]

Redskins lose Guice for the year on a meaningless play in a meaningless game. Preseason sucks

[Jason]

As long as athletes are prohibited from taking tylenol but push their bodies to inhuman potential, we are going to continue to see ligament tears year after year. Let athletes take something that at least helps the body heal.

[Tiggnutz]

Even though their fans get on my nerves I feel bad for the Skins faithful they were stoked about that kid