showa58taro wrote:Character? What difference does character make in this case?
Character matters on every single aspect of our lives. Your job, my job, our families, our motivations. Character might be the most important part of us as humans.
showa58taro wrote:Character? What difference does character make in this case?
Character matters on every single aspect of our lives. Your job, my job, our families, our motivations. Character might be the most important part of us as humans.
Do you ever exceed the speed limit?
Not intentionally.
Okay, so you're a holier than thou monk. Let the rest of us live.
showa58taro wrote:Character? What difference does character make in this case?
Character matters on every single aspect of our lives. Your job, my job, our families, our motivations. Character might be the most important part of us as humans.
Do you ever exceed the speed limit?
Not intentionally.
Okay, so you're a holier than thou monk. Let the rest of us live.
Why do we have laws? If I was known to be a dangerous driver and was in an accident where the facts were in dispute, you don't think that comes up? It does and it should. If you drag race on the streets, does that mean it is ok for someone to slam into you at a red light? No, but again, there are facts in dispute and when assessing truthfulness, character matters.
I am not holier than thou, I just answered honestly. I happen to not speed.
showa58taro wrote:Character? What difference does character make in this case?
Character matters on every single aspect of our lives. Your job, my job, our families, our motivations. Character might be the most important part of us as humans.
Do you ever exceed the speed limit?
Not intentionally.
Okay, so you're a holier than thou monk. Let the rest of us live.
Why do we have laws? If I was known to be a dangerous driver and was in an accident where the facts were in dispute, you don't think that comes up? It does and it should. If you drag race on the streets, does that mean it is ok for someone to slam into you at a red light? No, but again, there are facts in dispute and when assessing truthfulness, character matters.
I am not holier than thou, I just answered honestly. I happen to not speed.
Going 5-10 mph above the speed limit on an empty road with no pedestrians around is essentially smoking weed in a legal sense. Nobody with any sense gives a shit.
zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....
If there is a dispute of facts, and one person has a history of integrity and the other person does not, are you saying it is not normal to then look into elements of the story to help confirm the truth?
In this case, likely the only issue is intent. Intent and character certainly interplay. Did she go to his home with the intent of executing him? Or did she make a stupid mistake? Our justice system treats the situations differently. No one is saying she is innocent, the question appears to be what crime?
zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....
Yes.
why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)
Foo wrote:If there is a dispute of facts, and one person has a history of integrity and the other person does not, are you saying it is not normal to then look into elements of the story to help confirm the truth?
In this case, likely the only issue is intent. Intent and character certainly interplay. Did she go to his home with the intent of executing him? Or did she make a stupid mistake? Our justice system treats the situations differently. No one is saying she is innocent, the question appears to be what crime?
showa58taro wrote:Character? What difference does character make in this case?
Character matters on every single aspect of our lives. Your job, my job, our families, our motivations. Character might be the most important part of us as humans.
Do you ever exceed the speed limit?
Not intentionally.
Okay, so you're a holier than thou monk. Let the rest of us live.
Why do we have laws? If I was known to be a dangerous driver and was in an accident where the facts were in dispute, you don't think that comes up? It does and it should. If you drag race on the streets, does that mean it is ok for someone to slam into you at a red light? No, but again, there are facts in dispute and when assessing truthfulness, character matters.
I am not holier than thou, I just answered honestly. I happen to not speed.
Going 5-10 mph above the speed limit on an empty road with no pedestrians around is essentially smoking weed in a legal sense. Nobody with any sense gives a shit.
You are aware that many of the people carelessly speeding don't think any pedestrians are around until they hit one?
And yes, if you hit a pedestrian, the speed you were going matters.
zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....
Yes.
why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)
This is just what they do.
And whoever is leaking this kind of information to the public is garbage. Shameful.
showa58taro wrote:Character? What difference does character make in this case?
Character matters on every single aspect of our lives. Your job, my job, our families, our motivations. Character might be the most important part of us as humans.
Do you ever exceed the speed limit?
Not intentionally.
Okay, so you're a holier than thou monk. Let the rest of us live.
Why do we have laws? If I was known to be a dangerous driver and was in an accident where the facts were in dispute, you don't think that comes up? It does and it should. If you drag race on the streets, does that mean it is ok for someone to slam into you at a red light? No, but again, there are facts in dispute and when assessing truthfulness, character matters.
I am not holier than thou, I just answered honestly. I happen to not speed.
Going 5-10 mph above the speed limit on an empty road with no pedestrians around is essentially smoking weed in a legal sense. Nobody with any sense gives a shit.
You are aware that many of the people carelessly speeding don't think any pedestrians are around until they hit one?
And yes, if you hit a pedestrian, the speed you were going matters.
zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....
Yes.
why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)
We are. The entire situation is being investigated. Her actions in particular. People choosing to laser in on the marijuana because they worship the stuff has nothing to do with the investigation of her actions other than her credibility and intent.
zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....
Yes.
why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)
We are. The entire situation is being investigated. Her actions in particular. People choosing to laser in on the marijuana because they worship the stuff has nothing to do with the investigation of her actions other than her credibility and intent.
you targeted in on the marijuana. who ever leaked the info targeted in on the marijuana. if it has nothing to do with the investigation or her actions against him, then it means nothing and shouldn't be leaked and shouldn't be held against him, in this case. he smoked weed. she shot him. one does not excuse the other. one did not even lead to the other. let it go.
zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....
Yes.
why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)
We are. The entire situation is being investigated. Her actions in particular. People choosing to laser in on the marijuana because they worship the stuff has nothing to do with the investigation of her actions other than her credibility and intent.
you targeted in on the marijuana. who ever leaked the info targeted in on the marijuana. if it has nothing to do with the investigation or her actions against him, then it means nothing and shouldn't be leaked and shouldn't be held against him, in this case. he smoked weed. she shot him. one does not excuse the other. one did not even lead to the other. let it go.
If he had kiddie porn everywhere, should that be noted?
Foo wrote:Let's say her apartment is searched and she is in possession of the remainder of this guy's weed stash? Was the weed in his apartment relevant?
If the cop had lines of cocaine on her kitchen table, would that be relevant?
Everything matters at this point. Character matters because of facts in dispute and intent.
what facts are in dispute? is it in dispute that it was his home she trespassed into? is it in dispute that the given reason was mistaking his home for her own? what drugs he happened to do is irrelevant to this case, altogether.
(not you, i know)