Headhunter wrote:
Nobody thought Cassel was a great quarterback, considering the talent around him he was actually pretty bad. Brady's worst seasons are legendary compared to that mess of a season. That Pats team was just as good as the 2007 version and with their joke of a schedule, they win 13-14 games and definitely never get blown out on multiple occasions. And pretty much everyone thought KC's trade for him was a disaster from the get go. This is a hilarious hill to die on.
LMAO, Jake fucking Plummer? Get the fuck out of here.
Uh, Fitzpatrick throws awful picks in any and all situations. They're not exclusive to coming back from deficits created by his shitty play.
Everyone and their mother was talking about what a big pay day Cassel deserves if he leaves New England. And he got one, and lol. Just because you can drive a ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, it doesn't mean you're a better driver than Jeff Gordon.
Yeah. He had one of the highest passer ratings in the NFL that year. I'm sorry you have short-term memory, but Plummer was regarded as a top 10 NFL in that era.
I've watched most of his games, in full, since he was a Buffalo Bill. In Tennessee especially, he was forced into gunslinging into double coverage. Kansas City, San Francisco, Jacksonville, and Indy were the result of a terrible defense and forcing Fitz to play from behind. Houston and New York were much of the same. Watch the games before making generalizations.
"Everyone and their mother" (not many people in this case) had no idea what they were watching then. Cassel wasn't good. They couldn't score 20 in half their games after scoring at least 20 in every game the year prior. His limitations hurt what was the best offense the NFL had seen up to that point. IF you can't make the distinction between the 2007 and 2008 offenses, that's pretty bad.
I don't have short memory, it's just hilarious to think that one year where he just didn't turn the ball over constitutes putting him on this list, especially when you omit Brady who was considered by most to be the 2nd best in the game. Nobody was surprised when Plummer reverted to his normal self against the Steelers.
You watch every Fitzpatrick game? Jesus Christ, why do you torture yourself? Aren't there less excruciating ways to spend your life?
I'm referring to the NFL media praising Cassel. They say X player is good, everyone believes it. It's no coincidence that Cassel went 1-for-1 in New England and only had one decent NFL season after that. He was in New England. And a big distinction between 2007 and 2008 was Spygate and the cover-up that ensued.
It's impossible to rank a QB who is solely a dink-and-dunk master with a godawful 20+ yard success rate (even when the receivers are generally uncovered) and never has to look past his first read to a wide open Gronkelmandola.
I watch most every NFL game. Only last year did I regress in football watching. Not sure what kind of viewer I'll be this year, but you can't make those wild generalizations about Fitzpatrick while not having watched most of his games. There is no better statistic than your own eyes. Much more telling than what PFF can write-up on paper.
Headhunter wrote:Also, why are you just listing random cities in your argument when Fitzpatrick has started about 7 seasons worth of games? What am I supposed to do with that? If you are like Rain Man with Fitzpatrick games, great, but nobody else is.
Random cities? Those are the games I'm referring to where he had to play from behind. Fitzpatrick was getting a lot of flack at the time. Some games were deserving, most cases not so much. Those "cities" in particular were ones he was lambasted for performing poorly against, but not one person ever considers that your role changes when you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Stats don't record that, only your eyes do. Watch the games.
Headhunter wrote:
Nobody thought Cassel was a great quarterback, considering the talent around him he was actually pretty bad. Brady's worst seasons are legendary compared to that mess of a season. That Pats team was just as good as the 2007 version and with their joke of a schedule, they win 13-14 games and definitely never get blown out on multiple occasions. And pretty much everyone thought KC's trade for him was a disaster from the get go. This is a hilarious hill to die on.
LMAO, Jake fucking Plummer? Get the fuck out of here.
Uh, Fitzpatrick throws awful picks in any and all situations. They're not exclusive to coming back from deficits created by his shitty play.
Everyone and their mother was talking about what a big pay day Cassel deserves if he leaves New England. And he got one, and lol. Just because you can drive a ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, it doesn't mean you're a better driver than Jeff Gordon.
Yeah. He had one of the highest passer ratings in the NFL that year. I'm sorry you have short-term memory, but Plummer was regarded as a top 10 NFL in that era.
I've watched most of his games, in full, since he was a Buffalo Bill. In Tennessee especially, he was forced into gunslinging into double coverage. Kansas City, San Francisco, Jacksonville, and Indy were the result of a terrible defense and forcing Fitz to play from behind. Houston and New York were much of the same. Watch the games before making generalizations.
"Everyone and their mother" (not many people in this case) had no idea what they were watching then. Cassel wasn't good. They couldn't score 20 in half their games after scoring at least 20 in every game the year prior. His limitations hurt what was the best offense the NFL had seen up to that point. IF you can't make the distinction between the 2007 and 2008 offenses, that's pretty bad.
I don't have short memory, it's just hilarious to think that one year where he just didn't turn the ball over constitutes putting him on this list, especially when you omit Brady who was considered by most to be the 2nd best in the game. Nobody was surprised when Plummer reverted to his normal self against the Steelers.
You watch every Fitzpatrick game? Jesus Christ, why do you torture yourself? Aren't there less excruciating ways to spend your life?
I'm referring to the NFL media praising Cassel. They say X player is good, everyone believes it. It's no coincidence that Cassel went 1-for-1 in New England and only had one decent NFL season after that. He was in New England. And a big distinction between 2007 and 2008 was Spygate and the cover-up that ensued.
It's impossible to rank a QB who is solely a dink-and-dunk master with a godawful 20+ yard success rate (even when the receivers are generally uncovered) and never has to look past his first read to a wide open Gronkelmandola.
I watch most every NFL game. Only last year did I regress in football watching. Not sure what kind of viewer I'll be this year, but you can't make those wild generalizations about Fitzpatrick while not having watched most of his games. There is no better statistic than your own eyes. Much more telling than what PFF can write-up on paper.
Yeah, the problem with that is most people who watch a lot of football knew the Cassel thing was bullshit. That really isn't something to hang your hat on.
*facepalm* Try to keep up with your own argument. You said Brees wasn't considered a top 10 QB by the general NFL-watching public (i.e.: not just you) and listed QBs you claimed that general public considered to be better (never mind that you only listed 6 guys). In this exercise, you have to pretend that you're objectively measuring other people's opinions in hindsight, not just regurgitating your own. It's very clear that the list you claim "people" had was just your list, so it can't be taken seriously.
Darting your eyes around a bar to try to catch as many plays as you can is not "watching every game".
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Headhunter wrote:Also, why are you just listing random cities in your argument when Fitzpatrick has started about 7 seasons worth of games? What am I supposed to do with that? If you are like Rain Man with Fitzpatrick games, great, but nobody else is.
Random cities? Those are the games I'm referring to where he had to play from behind. Fitzpatrick was getting a lot of flack at the time. Some games were deserving, most cases not so much. Those "cities" in particular were ones he was lambasted for performing poorly against, but not one person ever considers that your role changes when you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Stats don't record that, only your eyes do. Watch the games.
So you're not going to provide any further background even though he's played all those teams multiple times? What seasons? Again, I'm not Rain Man with Fitzpatrick games like you. Do you really think saying "Jacksonville" and "Indianapolis" are helpful when he played for the Titans and Texans, not to mention the rest of his career? I mean, what the fuck . . .
He showed up to the facility late as well as high. He has been battling alcoholism as well as cocaine and lean/purple drank addictions for the past decade.
As always, he was worth the risk but he just can't stay clean.
Headhunter wrote:Also, why are you just listing random cities in your argument when Fitzpatrick has started about 7 seasons worth of games? What am I supposed to do with that? If you are like Rain Man with Fitzpatrick games, great, but nobody else is.
Random cities? Those are the games I'm referring to where he had to play from behind. Fitzpatrick was getting a lot of flack at the time. Some games were deserving, most cases not so much. Those "cities" in particular were ones he was lambasted for performing poorly against, but not one person ever considers that your role changes when you're down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Stats don't record that, only your eyes do. Watch the games.
So you're not going to provide any further background even though he's played all those teams multiple times? What seasons? Again, I'm not Rain Man with Fitzpatrick games like you. Do you really think saying "Jacksonville" and "Indianapolis" are helpful when he played for the Titans and Texans, not to mention the rest of his career? I mean, what the fuck . . .
When I said "especially Tennessee" , I thought that registered when I gave examples of teams he played that year.
Did you see what Fitzy just did? (Probably not, since you need Rain Man level intelligence to look at the screen)
First play of game, 75 yard bomb TD. Just bow to me already.
DeSean Jackson is definitely the greatest deep threat of this generation for sure. Fitzpatrick is a bum riding one of his occasional hot streaks. Sorry.
Fitzy a bum, that led his receiver in a beautiful stride on a 40+yd throw through the air. This is precisely the argument I'm making about people talking shit about players they barely watch. Hold that L. Fitzy is actually a decent starting QB.
I've always liked Fitzy. Man, this Tyrod Taylor would be good if he could work on his accuracy. He makes good reads. He's good when the play collapses and he can run really well. But he always throws behind the receiver or at their feet.
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Jmac Attack wrote:I've always liked Fitzy. Man, this Tyrod Taylor would be good if he could work on his accuracy. He makes good reads. He's good when the play collapses and he can run really well. But he always throws behind the receiver ot at their feet.
I think he's just uncoachable. There's no help for some QBs.
