NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl

[Jmac Attack]

Wow. Just wow. Our defense sucks for sure.....but KC's offense is gonna be one of those offenses we tell our great grandkids about.

2013 Denver.

That's one of 'em for sure. This squad is impressive too.

[Jason]

You'll forget about 'em in 6 months when they lose to the Texans in the divisional round.

[Tiggnutz]

You'll forget about 'em in 6 months when they lose to the Texans in the divisional round.

Nobody is ever going to lose to the Texans in the divisional round because they will never make it to the divisional round.

[Foo]

Wow. Just wow. Our defense sucks for sure.....but KC's offense is gonna be one of those offenses we tell our great grandkids about.

Every team you tell the great grandkids about will have to include a 15 page dissertation about the offseason rule changes that made it possible.

[Jmac Attack]

Wow. Just wow. Our defense sucks for sure.....but KC's offense is gonna be one of those offenses we tell our great grandkids about.

Every team you tell the great grandkids about will have to include a 15 page dissertation about the offseason rule changes that made it possible.

And that is taken into consideration and should be explained. They are still killing the competition using the same rules. For example, Rodgers is still a HOF QB and one of the greats to have ever played.

Could you imagine Kenny Anderson's accuracy if he played in his prime today?

[showa58taro]

Three first round picks is delicious :twisted:

If we get quality picks and Carr stays and does better, then awesome. If we get 3 JaMarcus Russell-guys, well. We would just be the Raiders.

[Headhunter]

Swag Kelly arrested last night. Has been kicked out of a high school, kicked out of a college, arrested at another college, now arrested in the NFL.

[Tiggnutz]

Nice string of fuckups Elway has drafted at Qb

[Headhunter]

Nice string of fuckups Elway has drafted at Qb

It's honestly impressive.

[Jason]

One gem of a QB, and he got rid of him.

[Headhunter]

Man, I think Gruden is onto something here. I'm worried the Raiders are going to be monsters in 3-4 years.

At least they'll be in Vegas.

Lmao at the phrasing here. What a novel concept, tanking and trying to hit on draft picks. Gruden out here uncovering the secrets of the universe. No doubt his extremely mediocre track record certainly warrants confidence.

[Foo]

Man, I think Gruden is onto something here. I'm worried the Raiders are going to be monsters in 3-4 years.

At least they'll be in Vegas.

Lmao at the phrasing here. What a novel concept, tanking and trying to hit on draft picks. Gruden out here uncovering the secrets of the universe. No doubt his extremely mediocre track record certainly warrants confidence.

Doesn't that give him a significantly better chance at building a SB winner than trying to add onto what he inherited? If you are not in love with guys, and they are heading into their free agent years, pulling first round picks rather than crippling yourself paying them is the smart move.

[Foo]

BTW, pulled some cap numbers:

2017 Eagles - less than 2% of cap occupied by QBs
2018 Eagles - Almost 12% of cap occupied by QBs

Tells a story of how you lose depth after success and bad contract timing.

[Headhunter]

Man, I think Gruden is onto something here. I'm worried the Raiders are going to be monsters in 3-4 years.

At least they'll be in Vegas.

Lmao at the phrasing here. What a novel concept, tanking and trying to hit on draft picks. Gruden out here uncovering the secrets of the universe. No doubt his extremely mediocre track record certainly warrants confidence.

Doesn't that give him a significantly better chance at building a SB winner than trying to add onto what he inherited? If you are not in love with guys, and they are heading into their free agent years, pulling first round picks rather than crippling yourself paying them is the smart move.

Yes. That doesn't mean I'm not going to laugh at Jason's terrified reaction.

[Headhunter]

BTW, pulled some cap numbers:

2017 Eagles - less than 2% of cap occupied by QBs
2018 Eagles - Almost 12% of cap occupied by QBs

Tells a story of how you lose depth after success and bad contract timing.

This has been one of the prevailing narratives of NFL roster construction since the 2013 Seahawks.

I don't think it really applies to the Eagles (yet), though. They didn't really lose anyone. They probably should have turned over the roster more, really. I know Denver wishes they did.

[Foo]

BTW, pulled some cap numbers:

2017 Eagles - less than 2% of cap occupied by QBs
2018 Eagles - Almost 12% of cap occupied by QBs

Tells a story of how you lose depth after success and bad contract timing.

This has been one of the prevailing narratives of NFL roster construction since the 2013 Seahawks.

I don't think it really applies to the Eagles (yet), though. They didn't really lose anyone. They probably should have turned over the roster more, really. I know Denver wishes they did.

Yeah, that is the thing. I don't follow closely enough to know if they had the cap flexibility to make moves to win again, or if they were handcuffed by what would be dead money on declining guys and raises to producers.

[Headhunter]

BTW, pulled some cap numbers:

2017 Eagles - less than 2% of cap occupied by QBs
2018 Eagles - Almost 12% of cap occupied by QBs

Tells a story of how you lose depth after success and bad contract timing.

This has been one of the prevailing narratives of NFL roster construction since the 2013 Seahawks.

I don't think it really applies to the Eagles (yet), though. They didn't really lose anyone. They probably should have turned over the roster more, really. I know Denver wishes they did.

Yeah, that is the thing. I don't follow closely enough to know if they had the cap flexibility to make moves to win again, or if they were handcuffed by what would be dead money on declining guys and raises to producers.

They've been manipulating the cap a lot the past few years and moving money around to keep the team together. Probably will hurt their flexibility down the road and I just think rosters need some level of turnover every year. Keeps things fresh, good counter to complacency.

The trap teams fall into is feeling like they need to try to re-sign every good player. Two issues: good can turn to average can turn to below average pretty quickly. Also, some "good" players are just guys elevated by the great players around them. To me, you re-sign your elite players and role players you can get nice discounts on. Those mid-tier contracts really add up and kill teams. Denver has some terrible contracts on defense right now, and Von isn't one of them.

[Foo]

BTW, pulled some cap numbers:

2017 Eagles - less than 2% of cap occupied by QBs
2018 Eagles - Almost 12% of cap occupied by QBs

Tells a story of how you lose depth after success and bad contract timing.

This has been one of the prevailing narratives of NFL roster construction since the 2013 Seahawks.

I don't think it really applies to the Eagles (yet), though. They didn't really lose anyone. They probably should have turned over the roster more, really. I know Denver wishes they did.

Yeah, that is the thing. I don't follow closely enough to know if they had the cap flexibility to make moves to win again, or if they were handcuffed by what would be dead money on declining guys and raises to producers.

They've been manipulating the cap a lot the past few years and moving money around to keep the team together. Probably will hurt their flexibility down the road and I just think rosters need some level of turnover every year. Keeps things fresh, good counter to complacency.

The trap teams fall into is feeling like they need to try to re-sign every good player. Two issues: good can turn to average can turn to below average pretty quickly. Also, some "good" players are just guys elevated by the great players around them. To me, you re-sign your elite players and role players you can get nice discounts on. Those mid-tier contracts really add up and kill teams. Denver has some terrible contracts on defense right now, and Von isn't one of them.

I would imagine his is a good value right now. Probably a top ten player in the league while not making close to top ten money. Obviously he is at that win now age, so if he starts heading into non-guaranteed years, it could get interesting.

[Headhunter]

BTW, pulled some cap numbers:

2017 Eagles - less than 2% of cap occupied by QBs
2018 Eagles - Almost 12% of cap occupied by QBs

Tells a story of how you lose depth after success and bad contract timing.

This has been one of the prevailing narratives of NFL roster construction since the 2013 Seahawks.

I don't think it really applies to the Eagles (yet), though. They didn't really lose anyone. They probably should have turned over the roster more, really. I know Denver wishes they did.

Yeah, that is the thing. I don't follow closely enough to know if they had the cap flexibility to make moves to win again, or if they were handcuffed by what would be dead money on declining guys and raises to producers.

They've been manipulating the cap a lot the past few years and moving money around to keep the team together. Probably will hurt their flexibility down the road and I just think rosters need some level of turnover every year. Keeps things fresh, good counter to complacency.

The trap teams fall into is feeling like they need to try to re-sign every good player. Two issues: good can turn to average can turn to below average pretty quickly. Also, some "good" players are just guys elevated by the great players around them. To me, you re-sign your elite players and role players you can get nice discounts on. Those mid-tier contracts really add up and kill teams. Denver has some terrible contracts on defense right now, and Von isn't one of them.

I would imagine his is a good value right now. Probably a top ten player in the league while not making close to top ten money. Obviously he is at that win now age, so if he starts heading into non-guaranteed years, it could get interesting.

Von's contract never struck me as much of an overpay. On the open market, some bad team would have given him elite QB money.

But, in a move I couldn't fathom at the time, they restructured to save 12 million in cap room this year because Elway thought this roster could win now (also why he passed on a QB with a top 5 pick), so his cap hits are 25.1 million, 25.6 million and 22.3 million at ages 30-32. And they didn't bring in any game changers with that money, just veteran role players who have already fizzled out. Elway was delusional about the state of the team.

[Jason]

Man, I think Gruden is onto something here. I'm worried the Raiders are going to be monsters in 3-4 years.

At least they'll be in Vegas.

Lmao at the phrasing here. What a novel concept, tanking and trying to hit on draft picks. Gruden out here uncovering the secrets of the universe. No doubt his extremely mediocre track record certainly warrants confidence.

He got a first for Amari Cooper, who is overrated to high hell.