Cop Who Murdered Philando Castile Acquitted

[showa58taro]

What do you think of Castile driving while getting high with a child in the car?

He was arrested 22 times...

Marijuana is good for you, though. He smokes marijuana to clear his head so he can take better care of his child.

Omg I'd love to hear your moronic views on marijuana. You genuinely know nothing about it. Keep going.

I don't really have views on marijuana. Not something I'm interested in, not something I've ever done, also not something I know much about. I would say driving on marijuana would be equally ill-advised as driving while drinking.

I would say you're wrong and it isn't even remotely close. Unfortunately, that's from personal experience. I'm not proud.

It is more dangerous to drive buzzed on alcohol than driving as high on weed as you can possibly be.

Newsflash! The worst thing I have done as a driver has been stoned as fucked and rolling the wheels up the curb, and everyone laughing. On route to buying more weed, btw. No one on this earth can tell me they are great behind the wheel while stoned.

Do you not think it would have been worse if you were drunk? I'm not saying anyone is great behind the wheel while stoned but it's much closer to sober driving than it is drunk driving. When I was drunk behind the wheel, I felt like I couldn't control anything I was doing. When I'm stoned? Only noticeable difference is being a little overly cautious, driving maybe 5 mph slower than normal.

I'm glad we got a weed story out of you though.

Dude, I got alot of weed stories, Seb kills them.

Do I fuck...

[showa58taro]

You'll only get a contact high if you stuff yourself into a tiny car with 3-4 other people in it and smoke blunts. The thick smoke and cramped space will get you.

Other than that, it's not really a thing.

Amsterdam coffee shops are pretty cramped and a lot of smoke. But I genuinely know nothing so would take your word that it is not a thing, which is fine by me. Clean and sober, that's clearly how I roll. Otherwise known as boring and nerdy. A sober straight-edge accountant. Buckle your seatbelts lads.

[Headhunter]

I don't think it would be hard for me to be straight edge, really. I haven't drank hard alcohol in years and now I just buy all these juices and lemonades and shit. I love it. With getting high, it's more a matter of...I'm gonna spend my free time at home on the couch eating snacks watching TV and surfing the web on my laptop anyway. There's really no reason for me to not want to be high while doing so.

[Jason]

It's stupid and careless but doesn't make him a POS.

Tell me what those 22 arrests were for. Fucking traffic stops. ZERO felony charges.

Sorry, still not a piece of shit.

What? If someone was drinking vodka with a child in the car and collided head on with some dude driving to work killing the child and the other person, are they not a piece of shit? Please don't pretend he cares about others when his behaviors indicate otherwise.

Sorry, driving high is 100x safer than driving drunk.

Annnd holy shit. lol.

Ever driven drunk? Ever driven high? If not, how the hell would you know?

It's pretty well-known that alcohol and marijuana affect everyone differently. Some people drive like saints and blow a .25. Some people drive recklessly and almost kill themselves when they're high. An old friend totaled his car and nearly killed himself, years back because he was smoking marijuana. Told me the story himself.
Did you read my marijuana/chemical imbalance story? It doesn't have equal affects on every person. Therefore, just as dangerous as driving on alcohol. Narcotics, sir.

It's definitely not as dangerous as driving on alcohol or narcotics. Sorry, that point is a non-starter in this convo.

Because you yourself are better driving high than driving drunk? Again, people handle both differently.

[Jason]

And if we want to have an honest convo, it would be: who is safer behind the wheel, a stoner or an alcoholic? Both are used to the effects of their drug of choice. Not a single doubt in my mind the alcoholic is more dangerous.

As a marijuana user, do you think you are qualified to give an unbiased opinion of the drug that includes the full scope of the negatives?

When we like something, it is amazing what we can talk ourselves into.

Hey, that's fair enough. I think I'm more qualified to discuss the issue of driving while high than someone who has only smoked weed a handful of times, but you do have to consider my bias. But given that this is a case where you can't possibly ever know the answer, but I can give you an idea from my experience, is what I tell you not a more valuable insight than just guessing what it might be like to drive high? However useless you may deem my take on the matter to be. Gotta be a middle ground doesn't there?

If you think I'm one of these delusional stoners who doesn't understand the negative consequences of marijuana, you're mistaken.

I dunno. Did you see that big heated debate where Joe Rogan threw a massive shit fit at Steven Crowder on his podcast? lol. Rogan has some interesting ideas, but when it comes to pot, I don't trust a god damn thing he says. I have seen enough of him to know that he will forever talk himself into believing pot cures cancer.

[Jason]

Seb admits it.

Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.

In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.

i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.

i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.

In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.

I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.

acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?

or let's look at this in a non-negative way.... martin luther king did a lot to move race relations forward. does that mean that every black man can take credit for his actions and his historical merit?

I don't think the idea of "white guilt" should somehow be associated with some kind of crippling sycophantism towards others, or this constant "my bad" type of dealing. The guilt, if it can be called that, is not about personal guilt. You personally shouldn't feel anything. Neither should black people regarding MLK or Juice.

okay. you seem to be using it differently than someone like jason uses it. so fair enough.

Jason also doesn't know that Juxtaposition is a valid and important word in political theory, and that somehow he thinks Headward himself can have "hidden white guilt" like some form of Syphilis. I don't know why you'd think I would use his attempts at "English".

I know what juxtapose means, I just think the word itself is forced and a pain in the ass. "Quit trying to make 'fetch' happen" kind of a thing (zomb knows).

[Jason]

I have mounted a curb and hit a small stone wall because there was an ant on the windscreen that I wanted to move when driving. Things happen...

I guess you shouldn't drive ever, then.

[zombie]

Seb admits it.

Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.

In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.

i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.

i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.

In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.

I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.

acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?

or let's look at this in a non-negative way.... martin luther king did a lot to move race relations forward. does that mean that every black man can take credit for his actions and his historical merit?

I don't think the idea of "white guilt" should somehow be associated with some kind of crippling sycophantism towards others, or this constant "my bad" type of dealing. The guilt, if it can be called that, is not about personal guilt. You personally shouldn't feel anything. Neither should black people regarding MLK or Juice.

okay. you seem to be using it differently than someone like jason uses it. so fair enough.

Jason also doesn't know that Juxtaposition is a valid and important word in political theory, and that somehow he thinks Headward himself can have "hidden white guilt" like some form of Syphilis. I don't know why you'd think I would use his attempts at "English".

I know what juxtapose means, I just think the word itself is forced and too hard to say. "Quit trying to make 'fetch' happen" kind of a thing (zomb knows).

we should totally just stab caesar!

[Headhunter]

It's stupid and careless but doesn't make him a POS.

Tell me what those 22 arrests were for. Fucking traffic stops. ZERO felony charges.

Sorry, still not a piece of shit.

What? If someone was drinking vodka with a child in the car and collided head on with some dude driving to work killing the child and the other person, are they not a piece of shit? Please don't pretend he cares about others when his behaviors indicate otherwise.

Sorry, driving high is 100x safer than driving drunk.

Annnd holy shit. lol.

Ever driven drunk? Ever driven high? If not, how the hell would you know?

It's pretty well-known that alcohol and marijuana affect everyone differently. Some people drive like saints and blow a .25. Some people drive recklessly and almost kill themselves when they're high. An old friend totaled his car and nearly killed himself, years back because he was smoking marijuana. Told me the story himself.
Did you read my marijuana/chemical imbalance story? It doesn't have equal affects on every person. Therefore, just as dangerous as driving on alcohol. Narcotics, sir.

It's definitely not as dangerous as driving on alcohol or narcotics. Sorry, that point is a non-starter in this convo.

Because you yourself are better driving high than driving drunk? Again, people handle both differently.

If you surveyed 100 people who have driven under both conditions, you'd be lucky to find two people who find driving high more dangerous. There's nothing realistic about that view.

The difference is reflected in the data both Seb and I have posted.

[Headhunter]

And if we want to have an honest convo, it would be: who is safer behind the wheel, a stoner or an alcoholic? Both are used to the effects of their drug of choice. Not a single doubt in my mind the alcoholic is more dangerous.

As a marijuana user, do you think you are qualified to give an unbiased opinion of the drug that includes the full scope of the negatives?

When we like something, it is amazing what we can talk ourselves into.

Hey, that's fair enough. I think I'm more qualified to discuss the issue of driving while high than someone who has only smoked weed a handful of times, but you do have to consider my bias. But given that this is a case where you can't possibly ever know the answer, but I can give you an idea from my experience, is what I tell you not a more valuable insight than just guessing what it might be like to drive high? However useless you may deem my take on the matter to be. Gotta be a middle ground doesn't there?

If you think I'm one of these delusional stoners who doesn't understand the negative consequences of marijuana, you're mistaken.

I dunno. Did you see that big heated debate where Joe Rogan threw a massive shit fit at Steven Crowder on his podcast? lol. Rogan has some interesting ideas, but when it comes to pot, I don't trust a god damn thing he says. I have seen enough of him to know that he will forever talk himself into believing pot cures cancer.

I'm not Joe Rogan.

[Headhunter]

Seb admits it.

Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.

In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.

i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.

i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.

In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.

I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.

acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?

or let's look at this in a non-negative way.... martin luther king did a lot to move race relations forward. does that mean that every black man can take credit for his actions and his historical merit?

I don't think the idea of "white guilt" should somehow be associated with some kind of crippling sycophantism towards others, or this constant "my bad" type of dealing. The guilt, if it can be called that, is not about personal guilt. You personally shouldn't feel anything. Neither should black people regarding MLK or Juice.

okay. you seem to be using it differently than someone like jason uses it. so fair enough.

Jason also doesn't know that Juxtaposition is a valid and important word in political theory, and that somehow he thinks Headward himself can have "hidden white guilt" like some form of Syphilis. I don't know why you'd think I would use his attempts at "English".

I know what juxtapose means, I just think the word itself is forced and a pain in the ass. "Quit trying to make 'fetch' happen" kind of a thing (zomb knows).

What's the word you would use when others use juxtapose?

[Jason]

Zomb, you are beautiful. In every single waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[Jason]

What's the word you would use when others use juxtapose?

I'm more keen on spelling it out for people than using that shitty word.

Guesstimate is also gay.

[Headhunter]

What's the word you would use when others use juxtapose?

I'm more keen on spelling it out for people than using that shitty word.

Guesstimate is also gay.

Sounds way less efficient than just pointing out juxtaposition.

[Jason]

Bonxtolofogate.

A better way of saying you have to take a shit.

Check it out. Just made up a word.

[Headhunter]

wut

[Foo]

It's stupid and careless but doesn't make him a POS.

Tell me what those 22 arrests were for. Fucking traffic stops. ZERO felony charges.

Sorry, still not a piece of shit.

What? If someone was drinking vodka with a child in the car and collided head on with some dude driving to work killing the child and the other person, are they not a piece of shit? Please don't pretend he cares about others when his behaviors indicate otherwise.

Sorry, driving high is 100x safer than driving drunk.

Annnd holy shit. lol.

Ever driven drunk? Ever driven high? If not, how the hell would you know?

It's pretty well-known that alcohol and marijuana affect everyone differently. Some people drive like saints and blow a .25. Some people drive recklessly and almost kill themselves when they're high. An old friend totaled his car and nearly killed himself, years back because he was smoking marijuana. Told me the story himself.
Did you read my marijuana/chemical imbalance story? It doesn't have equal affects on every person. Therefore, just as dangerous as driving on alcohol. Narcotics, sir.

It's definitely not as dangerous as driving on alcohol or narcotics. Sorry, that point is a non-starter in this convo.

Because you yourself are better driving high than driving drunk? Again, people handle both differently.

If you surveyed 100 people who have driven under both conditions, you'd be lucky to find two people who find driving high more dangerous. There's nothing realistic about that view.

The difference is reflected in the data both Seb and I have posted.

Kinda tough to figure out how x amount of pot compared to x amount of alcohol. Not sure how anything is proven with that.

The one time I drove under the influence of marijuana was terrible compared to the times I drove after having drinks.

[Headhunter]

It's stupid and careless but doesn't make him a POS.

Tell me what those 22 arrests were for. Fucking traffic stops. ZERO felony charges.

Sorry, still not a piece of shit.

What? If someone was drinking vodka with a child in the car and collided head on with some dude driving to work killing the child and the other person, are they not a piece of shit? Please don't pretend he cares about others when his behaviors indicate otherwise.

Sorry, driving high is 100x safer than driving drunk.

Annnd holy shit. lol.

Ever driven drunk? Ever driven high? If not, how the hell would you know?

It's pretty well-known that alcohol and marijuana affect everyone differently. Some people drive like saints and blow a .25. Some people drive recklessly and almost kill themselves when they're high. An old friend totaled his car and nearly killed himself, years back because he was smoking marijuana. Told me the story himself.
Did you read my marijuana/chemical imbalance story? It doesn't have equal affects on every person. Therefore, just as dangerous as driving on alcohol. Narcotics, sir.

It's definitely not as dangerous as driving on alcohol or narcotics. Sorry, that point is a non-starter in this convo.

Because you yourself are better driving high than driving drunk? Again, people handle both differently.

If you surveyed 100 people who have driven under both conditions, you'd be lucky to find two people who find driving high more dangerous. There's nothing realistic about that view.

The difference is reflected in the data both Seb and I have posted.

Kinda tough to figure out how x amount of pot compared to x amount of alcohol. Not sure how anything is proven with that.

The one time I drove under the influence of marijuana was terrible compared to the times I drove after having drinks.

More logical to assume you're right when there's no data at all you can possibly manipulate to support your conclusions? Okay. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say I'm right.

Because you ate a damn edible lmao. The effects of edibles are far more unpredictable and intense than smoking weed.

[Headhunter]

You also have zero marijuana tolerance and I assume hadn't used it in years so keep that in mind. I'd be hesitant to let someone who never goes out and drinks drive me home even if I knew they were nowhere near drunk and well below the legal limit.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure I could have driven your car and felt fine although it's not an ideal scenario.

[Jason]

It's stupid and careless but doesn't make him a POS.

Tell me what those 22 arrests were for. Fucking traffic stops. ZERO felony charges.

Sorry, still not a piece of shit.

What? If someone was drinking vodka with a child in the car and collided head on with some dude driving to work killing the child and the other person, are they not a piece of shit? Please don't pretend he cares about others when his behaviors indicate otherwise.

Sorry, driving high is 100x safer than driving drunk.

Annnd holy shit. lol.

Ever driven drunk? Ever driven high? If not, how the hell would you know?

It's pretty well-known that alcohol and marijuana affect everyone differently. Some people drive like saints and blow a .25. Some people drive recklessly and almost kill themselves when they're high. An old friend totaled his car and nearly killed himself, years back because he was smoking marijuana. Told me the story himself.
Did you read my marijuana/chemical imbalance story? It doesn't have equal affects on every person. Therefore, just as dangerous as driving on alcohol. Narcotics, sir.

It's definitely not as dangerous as driving on alcohol or narcotics. Sorry, that point is a non-starter in this convo.

Because you yourself are better driving high than driving drunk? Again, people handle both differently.

If you surveyed 100 people who have driven under both conditions, you'd be lucky to find two people who find driving high more dangerous. There's nothing realistic about that view.

The difference is reflected in the data both Seb and I have posted.

Kinda tough to figure out how x amount of pot compared to x amount of alcohol. Not sure how anything is proven with that.

The one time I drove under the influence of marijuana was terrible compared to the times I drove after having drinks.

More logical to assume you're right when there's no data at all you can possibly manipulate to support your conclusions? Okay. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say I'm right.

Because you ate a damn edible lmao. The effects of edibles are far more unpredictable and intense than smoking weed.

Uhh. I think Foo knows his own body better than you do. Are you calling him a liar? Such blatant disrespectOMG,