March 24th 2019

[zombie]

last jedi and solo are both a little off for me (moreso: solo) but the force awakens was pretty fun and rogue one is possibly the best sw film of all time.

[Headhunter]

last jedi and solo are both a little off for me (moreso: solo) but the force awakens was pretty fun and rogue one is possibly the best sw film of all time.

Rogue One did not hold up as well for me. I still liked it though.

Force Awakens was satisfying and very much seemed to be taking the safe route with how similar it was to A New Hope. Of course, the same fans they tried to appease by going safe bashed them for it. Last Jedi sort of had an Empire remake thing going on too, but was a little more experimental to mixed results. There were a lot of things that just seemed out of character.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

I find the first half of Rogue One to be a sludgy bore. Still love the second half though.

[Jason]

This actually might be more serious than we thought. You guys remember recently when 50 Cent bought a bunch of tickets to a Ja Rule show just to leave the seats empty because he hates him? Now that was some pretty good trolling. But imagine if it was Ja Rule who bought his own tickets.. just to leave them empty. The depths of dysfunction and sadness one must be in.

so 50cent wanted to spite jarule, by buying seats.. turn that to this situation. the guys upset at brie larson bought the seats to spite her movie. depths of dysfunction, indeed.

Wait, seriously? People can't actually be that stupid, can they?

My god.

it's possible, given the burden of proof in this discussion. but no, i don't think it's real, anymore than i think it's real that disney bought tickets to their own film.

Is this another wonderful Jason conspiracy?

he's one of the bigger pushers of the theory on hmf, yeah.

WHAT?!?!??!!!?!!

Get that shit out of here. I came on here saying I know next to jack nor shit about box office numbers and the possible manipulation behind it. Just brought up that I heard a rumor that the numbers were either tampered with or Disney/Marvel are buying their own tickets because it was looking to generate less than favorable attendance.

[Jason]

I will gladly take Disney's money to go see movies, FWIW.

As in they have people buying seats ahead of time, but no one shows up.

But true, I'd show up if they paid for me to see something.

I wouldn't show up for a free ticket I don't think, but if they gave me the free ticket, all-you-can-eat popcorn and bottomless pit of Coke and a $20 bill, I'd go. Throw in a bottle of scotch and I'll wear a Brie Larson hat.

Might be surprising to hear that from me from some folks here, knowing full-well that I think she is an absolute dumb ass. But I am pretty slutty.

[Jason]

This is what mainstream leftists do, man. I am in the know with this shit. It's crazy. Didn't think box offices would be manipulated, though. This all stems from Brie Larson bringing identity politics into movie proportion.

i know why people are claiming that the boxoffice has to be bought off. some people aren't happy with brie larson, so they don't want the film to do well. it's not enough that they don't like it or don't want to see it, everyone else has to too, or else disney is manipulating it. that is some serious ego.

It's beyond just claims, though.

then it's a major story that can be checked and verified. that's what i've asked for all along. show me?

Found one on the story that didn't get deleted. Features the same information, and even more follow up tweets.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/ ... ntroversy/

those are still claims. "anonymous theater owner", "a theater owner friend" and all that, but we can entertain it. so he said 20-30 empty seats per showing (of a 200-300 seat average). so that looks like 10% of the seats, give or take.

$153 mil opening weekend. 10% of which is $15mil (if i did it right. ) so if you want to say that that percentage was nationwide, the opening weekend would be $138 mil. so $772mil instead of $910 mil, worldwide as of now (estimated) in the third weekend. is that not a major success even if you entertain the conspiracy theory to it's most extreme?

Of course it's just claims, you think Disney's going to admit it? Even if it's just a small averages that you're figuring, it's still awfully fishy in the first place.

The same weekend, it got leaked that some professional critics admitted Disney's been paying them for favorable reviews too.

disney shouldn't have to admit to it. if it was actually happening, seems like that would be serious fraud and an investigation would be in the works.

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

[Jason]

Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

From my gathering, as I am no Marvel fan and am totally fine with legitimate feminism portrayal in movies, anyway... People aren't avoiding this movie because of its portrayal of feminism at all, it is her snarky comments about white males that turns people off to wanting to fund her movie.

You pretend for a living, lady. No reason to inject your vile, identity-politic spew into promotion for this movie. And you have no ass.

[Jason]

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

What else we know is that rotten tomatoes manipulated their audience score ratings.

[Jason]

If anything, I thought the "help the immigrants/they're not as bad as the authorities say" (in spite of in the comics, I know the Skrulls can get really fucking bad lol) thing was more heavy handed, but not enough to kill the movie.

They actually put the border security issue in a Marvel movie? lol. Am I reading that right?

[zombie]

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

what we know to be absolutely true is that there is a large faction (whether collective or independent) of internetters that want to see captain marvel fail because they are upset at brie larson. and that d was in a theater that wasn't full on opening weekend. we can extrapolate from that, but we don't know anything else for fact.

it is entirely plausible that disney would stuff the box office, if they felt it would amount to something worth the effort. (is 10% increase to the opening weekend worth that? i don't know)

it's also plausible that internetters would work actively to bring something down that they don't like. and we've seen actual evidence and precedent of that, before captain marvel. you have to make up your own mind as to what seems more plausible.

[zombie]

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

What else we know is that rotten tomatoes manipulated their audience score ratings.

the audience rating is 68%. is that worth manipulating to that level? or do you mean that they stopped allowing pre-opening comments for films? that's two different things.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

If anything, I thought the "help the immigrants/they're not as bad as the authorities say" (in spite of in the comics, I know the Skrulls can get really fucking bad lol) thing was more heavy handed, but not enough to kill the movie.

They actually put the border security issue in a Marvel movie? lol. Am I reading that right?

I saw it as more of a muslim refugee thing. The Kree POV is that they all evil, when that's not really the case. While true, did feel heavy handed.

[Headhunter]

The idea that Hollywood pushing liberal ideas in movies is somehow new is funny to me.

It is people's politics that have evolved, not Hollywood. It is unfortunate that low taxes and handouts to corporations don't sell well as movie themes, but that is reality.

[Jason]

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

what we know to be absolutely true is that there is a large faction (whether collective or independent) of internetters that want to see captain marvel fail because they are upset at brie larson. and that d was in a theater that wasn't full on opening weekend. we can extrapolate from that, but we don't know anything else for fact.

it is entirely plausible that disney would stuff the box office, if they felt it would amount to something worth the effort. (is 10% increase to the opening weekend worth that? i don't know)

it's also plausible that internetters would work actively to bring something down that they don't like. and we've seen actual evidence and precedent of that, before captain marvel. you have to make up your own mind as to what seems more plausible.

Stuffing boxes is more plausible.
Remember when we thought politicians didn't stuff ballot boxes? Has happened.
Remember when we scoffed at the idea that there was overwhelmingly liberal bias in movies? Now there's no denying it.
Remember when we thought all mainstream news outlets were trustworthy? Now we barely see real journalism anywhere.

Totally plausible to think that Disney or Marvel put out phony box office numbers to puff their chest. This is what goes on in movies and in Hollywood. The award shows are totally agenda-based, as well.

[Jason]

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

What else we know is that rotten tomatoes manipulated their audience score ratings.

the audience rating is 68%. is that worth manipulating to that level? or do you mean that they stopped allowing pre-opening comments for films? that's two different things.

It was as low as I believe 29% before it was temporarily removed from their site completely, then brought back with a higher score.

[Headhunter]

Makes me actually wonder if movies like The Grapes of Wrath had their own snowflake backlash.

[Jason]

Makes me actually wonder if movies like The Grapes of Wrath had their own snowflake backlash.

Steinbeck has done much better.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

What else we know is that rotten tomatoes manipulated their audience score ratings.

the audience rating is 68%. is that worth manipulating to that level? or do you mean that they stopped allowing pre-opening comments for films? that's two different things.

It was in the low teens at the start. The manipulation was due to review bombing of trolls ahead of time that hadn't even seen the movie. I see that as similar to us when we had to edit all the shit troll posts on our old forums out when we got hit with all those scat posts. They weeded out the obvious troll reviews. It's technically manipulating, but I don't blame them on that one. They should've been doing that sooner.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

The idea that Hollywood pushing liberal ideas in movies is somehow new is funny to me.

It is people's politics that have evolved, not Hollywood. It is unfortunate that low taxes and handouts to corporations don't sell well as movie themes, but that is reality.

True, it's not new. But I do think it's becoming more blunt.

[Headhunter]

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

We have to look at what we do know to be absolutely true in this scenario. The theaters sell out in record numbers, but none of the theaters even fill up.

There is no denying that is absolutely strange, and it is entirely plausible to think that Disney or Marvel are stuffing the boxes.

What else we know is that rotten tomatoes manipulated their audience score ratings.

the audience rating is 68%. is that worth manipulating to that level? or do you mean that they stopped allowing pre-opening comments for films? that's two different things.

It was as low as I believe 29% before it was temporarily removed from their site completely, then brought back with a higher score.

I'm sure that was a totally legit 29%.