February 10th 2020

[zombie]

horror should be like punk rock or metal. there should always be some element of rebellion against the mainstream. i think it loses some of the power if it goes completely mainstream. like the difference between texas chain saw massacre or saw and criminal minds or something. enh... i don't want it to become sanitized. but then i also want it to be more respected on it's own terms. i guess i can't have it both ways.

Does living in a post-moralistic world hurt the branding of horror, even while increasing its exposure to audiences?

i mean if you're saying that it's harder to push buttons because people just don't care as much anymore, as a whole.. i don't know if i buy that. but i guess it's possible. if that's the case, then horror will die out, unless it can really jar people out of apathy or indifference. or something else does it, that horror can capitalize on. but i don't know if that's even what you're meaning to get at.

By post-moralistic I mean there are not people trying to impose moral safeguards against the entertainment we consume anymore. At least not on a wide-scale level the way it used to be. In not having that, does horror lose some of its image? The cult-ness of horror WAS the image, but now it's all widely acknowledged as good respectable shit.

but a lot of it is being recognized in hindsight.

is bong joon ho's wins with parasite a game changer, or is it just jonathan demme with silence of the lambs again? i don't know. if it is a game changer, i hope that horror can still have teeth with it's films, even while being better respected as a genre.

[Headhunter]

The total mainstreamification moment of all worlds colliding could have happened two years ago if Get Out won.

Flick's gotta be good for that to happen first.

What do you think is going to be the most remembered movie from 2017?

[Headhunter]

horror should be like punk rock or metal. there should always be some element of rebellion against the mainstream. i think it loses some of the power if it goes completely mainstream. like the difference between texas chain saw massacre or saw and criminal minds or something. enh... i don't want it to become sanitized. but then i also want it to be more respected on it's own terms. i guess i can't have it both ways.

Does living in a post-moralistic world hurt the branding of horror, even while increasing its exposure to audiences?

i mean if you're saying that it's harder to push buttons because people just don't care as much anymore, as a whole.. i don't know if i buy that. but i guess it's possible. if that's the case, then horror will die out, unless it can really jar people out of apathy or indifference. or something else does it, that horror can capitalize on. but i don't know if that's even what you're meaning to get at.

By post-moralistic I mean there are not people trying to impose moral safeguards against the entertainment we consume anymore. At least not on a wide-scale level the way it used to be. In not having that, does horror lose some of its image? The cult-ness of horror WAS the image, but now it's all widely acknowledged as good respectable shit.

but a lot of it is being recognized in hindsight.

is bong joon ho's wins with parasite a game changer, or is it just jonathan demme with silence of the lambs again? i don't know. if it is a game changer, i hope that horror can still have teeth with it's films, even while being better respected as a genre.

The game's already been changed. Horror won. We're enjoying the rewards today.

[Headhunter]

Maybe there's never an "Aha!" win for horror with one movie. There doesn't need to be. The "Aha!" is Tobe Hooper canonized in film theory at a university level alongside Francis Ford Coppola and Marty Scorsese.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

horror should be like punk rock or metal. there should always be some element of rebellion against the mainstream. i think it loses some of the power if it goes completely mainstream. like the difference between texas chain saw massacre or saw and criminal minds or something. enh... i don't want it to become sanitized. but then i also want it to be more respected on it's own terms. i guess i can't have it both ways.

Does living in a post-moralistic world hurt the branding of horror, even while increasing its exposure to audiences?

i mean if you're saying that it's harder to push buttons because people just don't care as much anymore, as a whole.. i don't know if i buy that. but i guess it's possible. if that's the case, then horror will die out, unless it can really jar people out of apathy or indifference. or something else does it, that horror can capitalize on. but i don't know if that's even what you're meaning to get at.

By post-moralistic I mean there are not people trying to impose moral safeguards against the entertainment we consume anymore. At least not on a wide-scale level the way it used to be. In not having that, does horror lose some of its image? The cult-ness of horror WAS the image, but now it's all widely acknowledged as good respectable shit.

but a lot of it is being recognized in hindsight.

is bong joon ho's wins with parasite a game changer, or is it just jonathan demme with silence of the lambs again? i don't know. if it is a game changer, i hope that horror can still have teeth with it's films, even while being better respected as a genre.

Or Del Toro for Shape of Water.

[zombie]

Maybe there's never an "Aha!" win for horror with one movie. There doesn't need to be. The "Aha!" is Tobe Hooper canonized in film theory at a university level alongside Francis Ford Coppola and Marty Scorsese.

but is that in hindsight? scorsese and coppola were recognized that way, in the 70s. is hooper only being recognized that way now, over 40 years after texas chain saw? are aster, peele, and eggers gonna be spoken of in the same terms as nolan or coogler? i'm not sure that we're there. but maybe we are.

[zombie]

granted, texas chain saw massacre is much more gritty and rough than the witch, get out, and hereditary. that's not lost on me.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

And then there's Peter Jackson winning, another from the horror background.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

I admit I think I'm lost on the point of the discussion

[zombie]

i think the point of the discussion is has horror become respectable, as a genre and horror filmmakers respected, in the same way that dramatic filmmakers are? or is the recognition and respect for hooper, carpenter, craven etc only given in hindsight, years/decades later?

[Headhunter]

Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

[Reign in Blood]

I think the point is.. Headward is peddlin' the bullshit again. Because we're so lost, the fucking highway, it's off muholland drive, bros. It happens, he's good at it.

[zombie]

Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

then that will show moving forward, in horror (and not just horror filmmakers escaping the genre to find respectability) or it will be demme again with silence of the lambs being an anomaly while horror, as a genre, remains "other" as you called it before.

[Headhunter]

Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

then that will show moving forward, in horror (and not just horror filmmakers escaping the genre to find respectability) or it will be demme again with silence of the lambs being an anomaly while horror, as a genre, remains "other" as you called it before.

We're already here. We currently exist in this non-other world where horror is mainstream, mainstream is horror and a room full of old Hollywood producers laugh about Texas chainsaws.

[zombie]

Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

then that will show moving forward, in horror (and not just horror filmmakers escaping the genre to find respectability) or it will be demme again with silence of the lambs being an anomaly while horror, as a genre, remains "other" as you called it before.

We're already here. We currently exist in this non-other world where horror is mainstream, mainstream is horror and a room full of old Hollywood producers laugh about Texas chainsaws.

mainstream like nirvana or like avril lavigne? anyways, i look forward to seeing how this new mainstream status impacts our favorite genre.

[Headhunter]

Pretty good article talking about some of this stuff.

https://www.twincities.com/2018/04/16/h ... nate-fans/

[Headhunter]

I think the point is.. Headward is peddlin' the bullshit again. Because we're so lost, the fucking highway, it's off muholland drive, bros. It happens, he's good at it.

I was most certainly on one when I started spitfiring all these weird questions but they're interesting questions nonetheless.

[Reign in Blood]

I don't want the same prestige horror argument.

[Reign in Blood]

I think the point is.. Headward is peddlin' the bullshit again. Because we're so lost, the fucking highway, it's off muholland drive, bros. It happens, he's good at it.

I was most certainly on one when I started spitfiring all these weird questions but they're interesting questions nonetheless.

I dig it. We got D and Z pondering.

[zombie]

when studios and producers no longer feel the need to push their film above, or separate it from, the horror genre...that will show the respectability and mainstream-ing that you're arguing has already been achieved.