Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters

[Headhunter]

Foo, do you think presidents should look to take an active role in promoting the spread of fake news stories on major networks that affect real people? Do you think this is a benefit to society?

Nope. Present me with more than unnamed sources and unsubstantiated claims and I will condemn trump for it.

Would you honestly hold pro-Trump journalism to the same level of scrutiny and reserved judgment as stuff that reflects poorly on him? Or would you maybe dial it back and succumb to confirmation bias yourself? Curious.

[zombie]

also, does the military not already pay for things such as viagra? what part of performing your duties as a soldier does that serve?

Would you care to expand on why you feel viagra is the same as gender reassignment?

If a woman soldier had Dysfunction in her sex organs, would you provide her with medication?

i don't. i didn't say that they were the same. only that viagra does nothing to make you a better or more effective soldier. if the woman's dysfunction was about not being able to have sex, i would question looking to the military to provide that kind of medication.

why did you just ignore my other points?

What other points? Is your position you should deny health benefits to straight people in the military because we don't want to pay for gender bending?

the questions i asked you, right above the post you quoted here.

i do not want the military to pay for gender reassignment therapy or surgery. that is up to the individual. and i've said that before. that is not the issue. i just question what benefit viagra gives to soldiers' ability to serve within the military.

[Foo]

Foo, do you think presidents should look to take an active role in promoting the spread of fake news stories on major networks that affect real people? Do you think this is a benefit to society?

Nope. Present me with more than unnamed sources and unsubstantiated claims and I will condemn trump for it.

Would you honestly hold pro-Trump journalism to the same level of scrutiny and reserved judgment as stuff that reflects poorly on him? Or would you maybe dial it back and succumb to confirmation bias yourself? Curious.

I am saying anonymous sources are not to be trusted.

[Headhunter]

Literally everyone here has stated that the military should not be on the hook for gender reassignment surgery and we're supposed to discuss this as some "all or nothing" proposition?

No.

[zombie]

Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess

Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?

does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?

Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.

Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.

so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?

Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.

what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.

[Headhunter]

Foo, do you think presidents should look to take an active role in promoting the spread of fake news stories on major networks that affect real people? Do you think this is a benefit to society?

Nope. Present me with more than unnamed sources and unsubstantiated claims and I will condemn trump for it.

Would you honestly hold pro-Trump journalism to the same level of scrutiny and reserved judgment as stuff that reflects poorly on him? Or would you maybe dial it back and succumb to confirmation bias yourself? Curious.

I am saying anonymous sources are not to be trusted.

Would you like to guess who these anonymous sources we always hear about are? One of them is President Trump himself. The rest is everyone else in his dumpster fire administration. Snakes everywhere.

[Foo]

also, does the military not already pay for things such as viagra? what part of performing your duties as a soldier does that serve?

Would you care to expand on why you feel viagra is the same as gender reassignment?

If a woman soldier had Dysfunction in her sex organs, would you provide her with medication?

i don't. i didn't say that they were the same. only that viagra does nothing to make you a better or more effective soldier. if the woman's dysfunction was about not being able to have sex, i would question looking to the military to provide that kind of medication.

why did you just ignore my other points?

What other points? Is your position you should deny health benefits to straight people in the military because we don't want to pay for gender bending?

the questions i asked you, right above the post you quoted here.

i do not want the military to pay for gender reassignment therapy or surgery. that is up to the individual. and i've said that before. that is not the issue. i just question what benefit viagra gives to soldiers' ability to serve within the military.

They have erectile dysfunction. Is there some reason you are hung up on viagra? What if the erectile dysfunction was a result of their service?

[Headhunter]

Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess

Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?

does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?

Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.

Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.

so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?

Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.

what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.

Should also consider that Trump didn't consult with the military intelligence who had been doing months of research to address this autonomously. This was not Trump's fucking job. There's a reason the consensus reaction in the military was pissed off. Foo's argument is "Trump knows best, military knows least". Awesome!

[Foo]

Foo, do you think presidents should look to take an active role in promoting the spread of fake news stories on major networks that affect real people? Do you think this is a benefit to society?

Nope. Present me with more than unnamed sources and unsubstantiated claims and I will condemn trump for it.

Would you honestly hold pro-Trump journalism to the same level of scrutiny and reserved judgment as stuff that reflects poorly on him? Or would you maybe dial it back and succumb to confirmation bias yourself? Curious.

I am saying anonymous sources are not to be trusted.

Would you like to guess who these anonymous sources we always hear about are? One of them is President Trump himself. The rest is everyone else in his dumpster fire administration. Snakes everywhere.

There have never ever been anonymous sources that are flat out lies or distortions with agendas...

[zombie]

also, does the military not already pay for things such as viagra? what part of performing your duties as a soldier does that serve?

Would you care to expand on why you feel viagra is the same as gender reassignment?

If a woman soldier had Dysfunction in her sex organs, would you provide her with medication?

i don't. i didn't say that they were the same. only that viagra does nothing to make you a better or more effective soldier. if the woman's dysfunction was about not being able to have sex, i would question looking to the military to provide that kind of medication.

why did you just ignore my other points?

What other points? Is your position you should deny health benefits to straight people in the military because we don't want to pay for gender bending?

the questions i asked you, right above the post you quoted here.

i do not want the military to pay for gender reassignment therapy or surgery. that is up to the individual. and i've said that before. that is not the issue. i just question what benefit viagra gives to soldiers' ability to serve within the military.

They have erectile dysfunction. Is there some reason you are hung up on viagra? What if the erectile dysfunction was a result of their service?

if it was a result of their service, i would understand the military footing the bill for that/those individuals.

[Headhunter]

Why do you trust the judgment of Donald Trump over James Mattis on military issues, Foo? Trump has never served himself.

[Headhunter]

Foo, do you think presidents should look to take an active role in promoting the spread of fake news stories on major networks that affect real people? Do you think this is a benefit to society?

Nope. Present me with more than unnamed sources and unsubstantiated claims and I will condemn trump for it.

Would you honestly hold pro-Trump journalism to the same level of scrutiny and reserved judgment as stuff that reflects poorly on him? Or would you maybe dial it back and succumb to confirmation bias yourself? Curious.

I am saying anonymous sources are not to be trusted.

Would you like to guess who these anonymous sources we always hear about are? One of them is President Trump himself. The rest is everyone else in his dumpster fire administration. Snakes everywhere.

There have never ever been anonymous sources that are flat out lies or distortions with agendas...

Do you not understand how these things work, or are you being deliberately obtuse?

[zombie]

What other points?

A few issues:

- trans people are mentally ill in that, at minimum, they are gender confused. Among the most basic parts of the human psyche, is broken.

- any conversion therapy impacts their ability to serve, hormones, surgery, etc.

- tax payers should not be on the hook to pay for gender transition

- the military is not the place for social experiments

- policy in the military should not be crafted around such a tiny minority

- how many trannies are interested in serving if you take away the gender transition being government funded?

was the military (and taxpayers by extension) paying for transition, in regard to the trans soldiers that were already serving, before this decision?

had those trans soldiers been given a pass, as far as boot camp and other requirements to get in, before even serving in the military?

[Foo]

Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess

Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?

does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?

Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.

Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.

so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?

Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.

what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.

Should also consider that Trump didn't consult with the military intelligence who had been doing months of research to address this autonomously. This was not Trump's fucking job. There's a reason the consensus reaction in the military was pissed off. Foo's argument is "Trump knows best, military knows least". Awesome!

Yeah, trump was just trying to piss off the military. That makes total sense. He was probably lying when he said he consulted with generals.

And Trump is the Commander in Chief of our armed forces. So yeah, it is his job. If you want a guy to pick studies funded by liberal gay groups that tell you how normal it is, and then craft policies to appease that base, the last guy was right up your alley.

[Headhunter]

Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess

Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?

does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?

Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.

Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.

so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?

Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.

what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.

Should also consider that Trump didn't consult with the military intelligence who had been doing months of research to address this autonomously. This was not Trump's fucking job. There's a reason the consensus reaction in the military was pissed off. Foo's argument is "Trump knows best, military knows least". Awesome!

Yeah, trump was just trying to piss off the military. That makes total sense. He was probably lying when he said he consulted with generals.

And Trump is the Commander in Chief of our armed forces. So yeah, it is his job. If you want a guy to pick studies funded by liberal gay groups that tell you how normal it is, and then craft policies to appease that base, the last guy was right up your alley.

"Yeah, trump was just trying to piss off the military." Nobody said this. Why is it so hard for you to argue the points the other side makes without some bullshit strawman? You do it all the time. It's actually an amazing sight to behold when you don't incorporate a strawman into your arguments.

[Foo]

Why do you trust the judgment of Donald Trump over James Mattis on military issues, Foo? Trump has never served himself.

Lemme guess, if Mattis says a trans ban is a good idea tomorrow, you just keep shopping for the next guy who agrees with your position.

[Foo]

Why did the military have to do "months of research"?

[Headhunter]

Why do you trust the judgment of Donald Trump over James Mattis on military issues, Foo? Trump has never served himself.

Lemme guess, if Mattis says a trans ban is a good idea tomorrow, you just keep shopping for the next guy who agrees with your position.

If that is the conclusion they come to, that's certainly fairer than a Trump tweet that catches the entire military off guard.

[Foo]

Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess

Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?

does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?

Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.

Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.

so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?

Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.

what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.

Bradley/Chelsea Manning was like a shining light!

[Headhunter]

Why did the military have to do "months of research"?

Why don't you ask them? I was not a part of that process.

Are you slowly easing into a "Actually, Trump DOES know more than our military" argument with this question?