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DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Grabbed the wrong credit card when I took off to the grocery store. That sucked. Had to walk all the way back home to grab the right one and walk back. Luckily they kept all my stuff in produce storage to wait for me so I don't have to regrab everything.

Ballsacks! I did that too about a month ago. We got new bank cards in the mail, forgot that we already activated them. Had the old one in my wallet. Got about $120 worth of groceries. Stood in line forever....and then my card was declined. I only live a couple of blocks away and they saved my purchases.....but still ....there were so many people in line behind me. I felt like a jackass.

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DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:one flew over the cuckoo's nest is kind of heavy handed with the message too, but it's still an awesome flick.

I don't see that. I'm thinking we're mixing up how "heavy handed" is interpreted. I see it as an in your face, takes you out of the movie to preach, moment.

it's not like a monologue-y diatribe-y type of way or anything. give me an example of a film you see that in?

Captain Marvel (regarding the refugee/skrull thing ... apologies if that's spoiled, I think the girl power/feminism is weaved just fine throughout so it doesn't feel heavy-handed to me)

Crash is a big one at being heavy handed, beating its audience over the head with its message, to the point of beating a dead horse (I still think it's a good movie, but damn).

I guess how else I would describe it is when its message feels desperate, as well as shoe-horned in. It's obvious and constantly ramming it down your throat, taking you away from the narrative, that's what I consider heavy handed.

I don't see that with One Flew Over The Cuckoo's nest. Am I using the term wrong?

Definition of heavy-handed
1 : CLUMSY
2 : OPPRESSIVE, HARSH

Huh. I guess in a way I'm close? I would describe the forced/shoehorning/desperate as "clumsy". Wouldn't have been the word that comes to mind, but I can relate them together. Don't think I was on base with the 2nd definition.

R.I.P. Larry Cohen. Directed The Stuff and Hell Up in Harlem two of my favorites.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:one flew over the cuckoo's nest is kind of heavy handed with the message too, but it's still an awesome flick.

I don't see that. I'm thinking we're mixing up how "heavy handed" is interpreted. I see it as an in your face, takes you out of the movie to preach, moment.

it's not like a monologue-y diatribe-y type of way or anything. give me an example of a film you see that in?

Captain Marvel (regarding the refugee/skrull thing ... apologies if that's spoiled, I think the girl power/feminism is weaved just fine throughout so it doesn't feel heavy-handed to me)

Crash is a big one at being heavy handed, beating its audience over the head with its message, to the point of beating a dead horse (I still think it's a good movie, but damn).

I guess how else I would describe it is when its message feels desperate, as well as shoe-horned in. It's obvious and constantly ramming it down your throat, taking you away from the narrative, that's what I consider heavy handed.

I don't see that with One Flew Over The Cuckoo's nest. Am I using the term wrong?

i don't know which, but one of us seems to be using it wrong. to me, heavy handed is different than shoe horned. but it was pretty obvious and not subtle in cuckoo's nest. but it was set up through the whole film, so not shoe horned either.

i haven't seen any of your examples, but the skrull thing was not a spoiler, as i've already heard about it. don't know how it's executed in the film though.

I thought the refuge part of Cpt. Marvel was more stupid than heavy handed but definitely inserted to please the SJW crowd.

Tiggnutz wrote:R.I.P. Larry Cohen. Directed The Stuff and Hell Up in Harlem two of my favorites.

r.i.p. larry cohen.

everyone's mission, now, to find and watch god told me to.

zombie wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:R.I.P. Larry Cohen. Directed The Stuff and Hell Up in Harlem two of my favorites.

r.i.p. larry cohen.

everyone's mission, now, to find and watch god told me to.

I have not seen that

jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

Tiggnutz wrote:

zombie wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:R.I.P. Larry Cohen. Directed The Stuff and Hell Up in Harlem two of my favorites.

r.i.p. larry cohen.

everyone's mission, now, to find and watch god told me to.

I have not seen that

i don't think i've seen hell up in harlem, so we're even.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:one flew over the cuckoo's nest is kind of heavy handed with the message too, but it's still an awesome flick.

I don't see that. I'm thinking we're mixing up how "heavy handed" is interpreted. I see it as an in your face, takes you out of the movie to preach, moment.

it's not like a monologue-y diatribe-y type of way or anything. give me an example of a film you see that in?

Captain Marvel (regarding the refugee/skrull thing ... apologies if that's spoiled, I think the girl power/feminism is weaved just fine throughout so it doesn't feel heavy-handed to me)

Crash is a big one at being heavy handed, beating its audience over the head with its message, to the point of beating a dead horse (I still think it's a good movie, but damn).

I guess how else I would describe it is when its message feels desperate, as well as shoe-horned in. It's obvious and constantly ramming it down your throat, taking you away from the narrative, that's what I consider heavy handed.

I don't see that with One Flew Over The Cuckoo's nest. Am I using the term wrong?

i don't know which, but one of us seems to be using it wrong. to me, heavy handed is different than shoe horned. but it was pretty obvious and not subtle in cuckoo's nest. but it was set up through the whole film, so not shoe horned either.

i haven't seen any of your examples, but the skrull thing was not a spoiler, as i've already heard about it. don't know how it's executed in the film though.

Since the second definition involves "oppressive" and that's Nurse Ratched to a T, I guess "heavy handed" works too. *shrug*

I think it was a lazy cramming metaphor for muslim refugees. Made me roll my eyes and think "oh, that's timely..." Could've easily left all the woe-is-us-we-don't-have-a-home-stuff out and the twist still would've worked.

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

Nope. I thought it was pretty smooth throughout. I just think the 3rd act got a little weak due to underdeveloped main villain and "heavy handed" (aka, clumsy & oppressive) CGI

Got a lot of room freed up on a credit card. Looking into getting a bike again.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

Nope. I thought it was pretty smooth throughout. I just think the 3rd act got a little weak due to underdeveloped main villain and "heavy handed" (aka, clumsy & oppressive) CGI

yeah, the reveal of the villain definitely could have been set up to be more satisfying and not just out of nowhere. that was kind of shoe horned. and the cgi was kind of awful. i actually would have preferred the other villains to get an actual pay off, rather than what we got. *shrug*

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

I dug Wonder Woman. Chris Pine is the only one who annoyed me in that movie. Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

I dug Wonder Woman. Chris Pine is the only one who annoyed me in that movie. Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?

good to hear. although i don't recall anything offensive about pine in the film. do you like him in general though?

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

Nope. I thought it was pretty smooth throughout. I just think the 3rd act got a little weak due to underdeveloped main villain and "heavy handed" (aka, clumsy & oppressive) CGI

yeah, the reveal of the villain definitely could have been set up to be more satisfying and not just out of nowhere. that was kind of shoe horned. and the cgi was kind of awful. i actually would have preferred the other villains to get an actual pay off, rather than what we got. *shrug*

Sorry, misinterpreted what you were trying to imply what was "heavy handed" in it in the way I was using it before (i.e. feminism). Yeah, the handling of the main villain would fall into my "shoe horn/forced" version of Heavy Handed.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

I dug Wonder Woman. Chris Pine is the only one who annoyed me in that movie. Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?

good to hear. although i don't recall anything offensive about pine in the film. do you like him in general though?

Nah, I've just never been a fan of his.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

I dug Wonder Woman. Chris Pine is the only one who annoyed me in that movie. Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?

good to hear. although i don't recall anything offensive about pine in the film. do you like him in general though?

Nah, I've just never been a fan of his.

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unless this some kind of weird "guys have to stick together" thing, i think it's more than fair to not find chris pine to work for you, as an actor.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:jason would almost certainly (and probably has before) describe wonder woman as heavy handed the way you're using it. do you find that to be the case?

Nope. I thought it was pretty smooth throughout. I just think the 3rd act got a little weak due to underdeveloped main villain and "heavy handed" (aka, clumsy & oppressive) CGI

yeah, the reveal of the villain definitely could have been set up to be more satisfying and not just out of nowhere. that was kind of shoe horned. and the cgi was kind of awful. i actually would have preferred the other villains to get an actual pay off, rather than what we got. *shrug*

Sorry, misinterpreted what you were trying to imply what was "heavy handed" in it in the way I was using it before (i.e. feminism). Yeah, the handling of the main villain would fall into my "shoe horn/forced" version of Heavy Handed.

you got it right. i just was giving my thoughts on the ending too, cause you did.