Re: October 13th 2019
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:47 pm
Headhunter wrote:One of the best written films of the 2000s.
Headhunter wrote:One of the best written films of the 2000s.
i can live with that. the shining is a classic. basket case is not, but it's infinitely more rewatchable. (for me)Headhunter wrote:We’re just not finding classics. Lot of very good films.zombie wrote:i can't argue against that off the top of my head. i guess don't invite me to pick a film for your group sesh or for reign's.Headhunter wrote:I didn’t say to make those movies. I said to make movies with a combo of high stakes, laid-back, positive energy. Most films fall under too dumb to feel real or too brooding to be fun.zombie wrote:making pulp fiction is hard. making goodfellas is hard. you can do well, even if you don't live up to that.Headhunter wrote:Its true. And it’s not for a lack of effort that nobody has been able to find the balance they have, there have been so many imitators that flopped.zombie wrote:tarantino and scorsese are hard to beat, when they are on their game. it is hard to debate that.Headhunter wrote:Baby Driver fits “fun, not dumb”.
I’m talking movies taking place in real situations with real stakes but has that hangout feel. Any moment could end in a laugh or gasp but there’s a positive energy palpable throughout the film. 90s Tarantino and Scorsese in a nutshell.
There's neither.zombie wrote:you're talking two different things with has it entered the lexicon or mainstream consciousness in a lasting way. and is it moving as a film. there can be intersection there, but it can also be that you can have one without the other.
well, hopefully you will be able to find films that move you, in the coming years. and maybe i'll come to find what i'm missing in this discussion, when they come along.Headhunter wrote:There's neither.zombie wrote:you're talking two different things with has it entered the lexicon or mainstream consciousness in a lasting way. and is it moving as a film. there can be intersection there, but it can also be that you can have one without the other.
They gotta make 'em. Build it and I will come.zombie wrote:well, hopefully you will be able to find films that move you, in the coming years. and maybe i'll come to find what i'm missing in this discussion, when they come along.Headhunter wrote:There's neither.zombie wrote:you're talking two different things with has it entered the lexicon or mainstream consciousness in a lasting way. and is it moving as a film. there can be intersection there, but it can also be that you can have one without the other.
will people remember john wick? is john wick a great, memorable, and culturally relevant film? and does it even have to be, for you take something from it? even if everyone else, in general, could care less about it, would that change what you get out of it, yourself?Reign in Blood wrote:See, Headward is getting it. Hell, where are the movies I can just go "fuck yeah" after watching? Did that with John Wick, not too many lately.
The simplicity of "badass avenges dog's death and shoots 100 people in the head" will go a long way. John Wick is firmly in the lexicon now and will have some lasting power.zombie wrote:will people remember john wick? is john wick a great, memorable, and culturally relevant film? and does it even have to be, for you take something from it? even if everyone else, in general, could care less about it, would that change what you get out of it, yourself?Reign in Blood wrote:See, Headward is getting it. Hell, where are the movies I can just go "fuck yeah" after watching? Did that with John Wick, not too many lately.
Other than Shape of Water, which was pretty much a lock that year, if you go even beyond the last 5 years, the winners have beena result of weird voting system they instated. So really the most "average" of the nominees are most likely to win.Headhunter wrote:Best Picture winners of the past 5 years: Green Book, The Shape of Water, Moonlight, Spotlight, Birdman
Nobody will give a fuck about any of these movies by 2030. The Shape of Water will be memorable in a "Hey, remember when the girl-fucks-fish movie won the Oscar?" mind-boggling trivia sort of way. Nothing memorable about the others. Now let's look at another five year stretch from a distant past...
Best Picture winners from 1970-1974: Patton, The French Connection, The Godfather, The Sting, The Godfather Pt. 2
Movies used to be great AND memorable AND culturally relevant.
The Rotten Tomatofication of the Oscars huh. No better testament to something's greatness than a bunch of people saying it's fine.DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Other than Shape of Water, which was pretty much a lock that year, if you go even beyond the last 5 years, the winners have beena result of weird voting system they instated. So really the most "average" of the nominees are most likely to win.Headhunter wrote:Best Picture winners of the past 5 years: Green Book, The Shape of Water, Moonlight, Spotlight, Birdman
Nobody will give a fuck about any of these movies by 2030. The Shape of Water will be memorable in a "Hey, remember when the girl-fucks-fish movie won the Oscar?" mind-boggling trivia sort of way. Nothing memorable about the others. Now let's look at another five year stretch from a distant past...
Best Picture winners from 1970-1974: Patton, The French Connection, The Godfather, The Sting, The Godfather Pt. 2
Movies used to be great AND memorable AND culturally relevant.
Basically. They have voters the Best Picture nominees, and the one that has the most votes in the highest place (not necessarily #1) is the winner. The other categories don't vote this way, just Picture. They've been doing this I think since 2011's ceremony, I think, which explains The King's Speech over...virtually every other nominee that year.Headhunter wrote:The Rotten Tomatofication of the Oscars huh. No better testament to something's greatness than a bunch of people saying it's fine.DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Other than Shape of Water, which was pretty much a lock that year, if you go even beyond the last 5 years, the winners have beena result of weird voting system they instated. So really the most "average" of the nominees are most likely to win.Headhunter wrote:Best Picture winners of the past 5 years: Green Book, The Shape of Water, Moonlight, Spotlight, Birdman
Nobody will give a fuck about any of these movies by 2030. The Shape of Water will be memorable in a "Hey, remember when the girl-fucks-fish movie won the Oscar?" mind-boggling trivia sort of way. Nothing memorable about the others. Now let's look at another five year stretch from a distant past...
Best Picture winners from 1970-1974: Patton, The French Connection, The Godfather, The Sting, The Godfather Pt. 2
Movies used to be great AND memorable AND culturally relevant.
Oh wow, that's a bad one. I always forget The Social Network didn't win BP and to THAT snooze fest in a pretty stacked year...Christ.DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Basically. They have voters the Best Picture nominees, and the one that has the most votes in the highest place (not necessarily #1) is the winner. The other categories don't vote this way, just Picture. They've been doing this I think since 2011's ceremony, I think, which explains The King's Speech over...virtually every other nominee that year.Headhunter wrote:The Rotten Tomatofication of the Oscars huh. No better testament to something's greatness than a bunch of people saying it's fine.DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Other than Shape of Water, which was pretty much a lock that year, if you go even beyond the last 5 years, the winners have beena result of weird voting system they instated. So really the most "average" of the nominees are most likely to win.Headhunter wrote:Best Picture winners of the past 5 years: Green Book, The Shape of Water, Moonlight, Spotlight, Birdman
Nobody will give a fuck about any of these movies by 2030. The Shape of Water will be memorable in a "Hey, remember when the girl-fucks-fish movie won the Oscar?" mind-boggling trivia sort of way. Nothing memorable about the others. Now let's look at another five year stretch from a distant past...
Best Picture winners from 1970-1974: Patton, The French Connection, The Godfather, The Sting, The Godfather Pt. 2
Movies used to be great AND memorable AND culturally relevant.
amelie has lasting power. suggest it to reign for a group sesh among his friends?Headhunter wrote:The simplicity of "badass avenges dog's death and shoots 100 people in the head" will go a long way. John Wick is firmly in the lexicon now and will have some lasting power.zombie wrote:will people remember john wick? is john wick a great, memorable, and culturally relevant film? and does it even have to be, for you take something from it? even if everyone else, in general, could care less about it, would that change what you get out of it, yourself?Reign in Blood wrote:See, Headward is getting it. Hell, where are the movies I can just go "fuck yeah" after watching? Did that with John Wick, not too many lately.