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Guys I have been right about-

Drew Brees
Lamar Jackson (so far)
Carson Palmer (injuries and stuff stopped him from brilliance....and the Bengals lol)
Alex Smith (not a great HOF QB, but he was solid)
Mark Sanchez (I didn't really like him. Had a couple decent years to start)

I'll think of more that I have got right in a minute...now for the misses....

Sam Bradford. He had flashes of brilliance. But I thought he could have been the next great one.

Marcus Mariota. See above, but without the flashes of brilliance. He had some moments though.

Tom Brady. It took me until 2012-ish to realize how great he is. I was always on team Jason with this one. Now...nope. The dude just might be the GOAT.

Russel Wilson. My God...was I so wrong? I'd shit a brick if he played for the Bengals. Dude is nails.

Brett Favre. I just hated him. Until around 2000-2002-ish. He's one of the best of all time. I now respect how tough he was. And those opposite field throws, to the left or right, no one has been as good. IMO.

Matt Ryan. Looked like Andy Dalton to me. But proved to be way better. He's really good.

I have more, but want to see what others say.

Jmac Attack wrote:Tom Brady. It took me until 2012-ish to realize how great he is. I was always on team Jason with this one. Now...nope. The dude just might be the GOAT.

Lol. What in the hell changed your mind? He's the exact same player year in, year out.

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:Tom Brady. It took me until 2012-ish to realize how great he is. I was always on team Jason with this one. Now...nope. The dude just might be the GOAT.

Lol. What in the hell changed your mind? He's the exact same player year in, year out.

Longevity. And seeing how he reads defenses. I do get the whole scheme thang, but there comes a time that we have to recognize that he is great.

Tom Brady feels like it’s fine to still hate and tag on whilst acknowledging he is an all time great and one of the best to play the position.

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:Tom Brady. It took me until 2012-ish to realize how great he is. I was always on team Jason with this one. Now...nope. The dude just might be the GOAT.

Lol. What in the hell changed your mind? He's the exact same player year in, year out.

Longevity. And seeing how he reads defenses. I do get the whole scheme thang, but there comes a time that we have to recognize that he is great.

I don't get the whole scheme thing, unless you mean how impressive his mastery of the most complex system in football is. Great WRs like Reggie Wayne and Chad Johnson couldn't mentally handle it. It's his combination of precision and timing as a passer that makes him the best ever. Knows exactly where to go with the ball every play and pulls the trigger as quickly as possible. Eliminates your pass rush and puts receivers in positions to get YAC. It's honestly incredible. In a way, football must be pretty easy for guys like Brady and Brees who have done this forever and have seen every defensive look you can throw at them.

When you say you were right about Alex Smith, you thought he would be an average, slightly better than journeyman kind of player? Was still a bad pick for SF.

I thought Brian Brohm would be great and thought it wouldn't take long before he took Aaron Rodgers' job.

Headhunter wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:Tom Brady. It took me until 2012-ish to realize how great he is. I was always on team Jason with this one. Now...nope. The dude just might be the GOAT.

Lol. What in the hell changed your mind? He's the exact same player year in, year out.

Longevity. And seeing how he reads defenses. I do get the whole scheme thang, but there comes a time that we have to recognize that he is great.

I don't get the whole scheme thing, unless you mean how impressive his mastery of the most complex system in football is. Great WRs like Reggie Wayne and Chad Johnson couldn't mentally handle it. It's his combination of precision and timing as a passer that makes him the best ever. Knows exactly where to go with the ball every play and pulls the trigger as quickly as possible. Eliminates your pass rush and puts receivers in positions to get YAC. It's honestly incredible. In a way, football must be pretty easy for guys like Brady and Brees who have done this forever and have seen every defensive look you can throw at them.

I should have been more clear. I get the whole scheme thing, as in I can see why a backup quarterback can thrive in it, as we have seen happen before. But it was one year, and took some luck. 20 years of Brady running it isn't luck. He's badass. That's tough for me to say lol

Headhunter wrote:When you say you were right about Alex Smith, you thought he would be an average, slightly better than journeyman kind of player? Was still a bad pick for SF.

Nope. I was right that he was a QB that wouldn't be great, but could thrive in the right situation and win a shit ton of games. Boom. Spot on imo. Bad pick for SF, great pickup for KC.

People misremember the Matt Cassel season. He wasn't good, just better than expected. That was the most talented Pats team of the entire run though. They may lose 1 or 2 games that year with Brady healthy.

Headhunter wrote:People misremember the Matt Cassel season. He wasn't good, just better than expected. That was the most talented Pats team of the entire run though. They may lose 1 or 2 games that year with Brady healthy.

I was merely pointing out that because Jason always points that season out. Again, like I said, I can see why Cassel got the job done as a backup with geniuses surrounding him. I mean, Belichick is probably the GOAT. But in the same breath, I'm not gonna take anything away from Brady's greatness and use that as an excuse anymore. I stopped that shit years ago and opened my eyes up.

Jmac Attack wrote:

Headhunter wrote:People misremember the Matt Cassel season. He wasn't good, just better than expected. That was the most talented Pats team of the entire run though. They may lose 1 or 2 games that year with Brady healthy.

I was merely pointing out that because Jason always points that season out. Again, like I said, I can see why Cassel got the job done as a backup with geniuses surrounding him. I mean, Belichick is probably the GOAT. But in the same breath, I'm not gonna take anything away from Brady's greatness and use that as an excuse anymore. I stopped that shit years ago and opened my eyes up.

Yeah, Jason makes that Cassel argument every now and then but the argument falls flat when you remember how he actually played. Outside of a few games that season against some terrible defenses, he would rank in the bottom 25% of starters that year.

There's nothing to take away from either Bill or Tom. All time QB + an all time defensive coach is the ideal combination in football, and both obviously benefit from each other. People who argue for one's greatness at the expense of the other are auditioning for morning talk radio, not wanting to seriously talk football.

Headhunter wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Headhunter wrote:People misremember the Matt Cassel season. He wasn't good, just better than expected. That was the most talented Pats team of the entire run though. They may lose 1 or 2 games that year with Brady healthy.

I was merely pointing out that because Jason always points that season out. Again, like I said, I can see why Cassel got the job done as a backup with geniuses surrounding him. I mean, Belichick is probably the GOAT. But in the same breath, I'm not gonna take anything away from Brady's greatness and use that as an excuse anymore. I stopped that shit years ago and opened my eyes up.

Yeah, Jason makes that Cassel argument every now and then but the argument falls flat when you remember how he actually played. Outside of a few games that season against some terrible defenses, he would rank in the bottom 25% of starters that year.

There's nothing to take away from either Bill or Tom. All time QB + an all time defensive coach is the ideal combination in football, and both obviously benefit from each other. People who argue for one's greatness at the expense of the other are auditioning for morning talk radio, not wanting to seriously talk football.

GOAT coach and GOAT quarterback kinda cool we were alive to see it

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Headhunter wrote:People misremember the Matt Cassel season. He wasn't good, just better than expected. That was the most talented Pats team of the entire run though. They may lose 1 or 2 games that year with Brady healthy.

I was merely pointing out that because Jason always points that season out. Again, like I said, I can see why Cassel got the job done as a backup with geniuses surrounding him. I mean, Belichick is probably the GOAT. But in the same breath, I'm not gonna take anything away from Brady's greatness and use that as an excuse anymore. I stopped that shit years ago and opened my eyes up.

Yeah, Jason makes that Cassel argument every now and then but the argument falls flat when you remember how he actually played. Outside of a few games that season against some terrible defenses, he would rank in the bottom 25% of starters that year.

There's nothing to take away from either Bill or Tom. All time QB + an all time defensive coach is the ideal combination in football, and both obviously benefit from each other. People who argue for one's greatness at the expense of the other are auditioning for morning talk radio, not wanting to seriously talk football.

GOAT coach and GOAT quarterback kinda cool we were alive to see it

And to think that the Browns had not only GOAT Bellicheck, but their defensive coordinator and assistant coach was GOAT Saban. Pretty surreal. Then they packed up and moved to Baltimore.

He was turning the Browns around. Just unfortunate timing in every respect.

Think the Ravens benefitted from the scouting work done by Belichick and the front office? Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the 1st round.

That Browns staff really is amazing.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/10/03/clev ... -they-now/

Headhunter wrote:He was turning the Browns around. Just unfortunate timing in every respect.

Think the Ravens benefitted from the scouting work done by Belichick and the front office? Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the 1st round.

Pretty sure they even won like 11 games in 94. Yeah, wow....Ogden and Lewis in the first round. I forgot about that. That's crazy!

Headhunter wrote:That Browns staff really is amazing.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/10/03/clev ... -they-now/

Jesus.....I knew all of those names. Wow.

Your top 5 coaches (any sport) in your lifetime. Go.

4 that come to mind off the bat are Belichick, Saban, Coach K and Popovich.

Headhunter wrote:Your top 5 coaches (any sport) in your lifetime. Go.

4 that come to mind off the bat are Belichick, Saban, Coach K and Popovich.

Getting ready to play a show...I'll have to think about it. Your 4 is pretty on spot though.....