HorrorMovieFans.com

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also, bad QBs tend to play from behind due to the deficits they help create through their bad play. It's such a bizarrely logical thing.

I guess Manning, Marino, Elway, Brees, Tarkenton, Favre, etc... are all terrible since they had to play from behind so many god damn times that they lead the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks. Very bizarre.

For the purposes of your argument, it would be great if you could include some facts and not speak in total generalities, which aren’t useful.

I do that... Quite often... Regardless of what my take is, it won't be respected, anyway. So I'll spare the sermon.

Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also, bad QBs tend to play from behind due to the deficits they help create through their bad play. It's such a bizarrely logical thing.

I guess Manning, Marino, Elway, Brees, Tarkenton, Favre, etc... are all terrible since they had to play from behind so many god damn times that they lead the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks. Very bizarre.

For the purposes of your argument, it would be great if you could include some facts and not speak in total generalities, which aren’t useful.

I do that... Quite often... Regardless of what my take is, it won't be respected, anyway. So I'll spare the sermon.

Not in this case, though.

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also, bad QBs tend to play from behind due to the deficits they help create through their bad play. It's such a bizarrely logical thing.

I guess Manning, Marino, Elway, Brees, Tarkenton, Favre, etc... are all terrible since they had to play from behind so many god damn times that they lead the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks. Very bizarre.

For the purposes of your argument, it would be great if you could include some facts and not speak in total generalities, which aren’t useful.

I do that... Quite often... Regardless of what my take is, it won't be respected, anyway. So I'll spare the sermon.

Not in this case, though.

Nearly every case, if we're being honest.

Seattle for the upset.

Goodnight.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also, bad QBs tend to play from behind due to the deficits they help create through their bad play. It's such a bizarrely logical thing.

I guess Manning, Marino, Elway, Brees, Tarkenton, Favre, etc... are all terrible since they had to play from behind so many god damn times that they lead the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks. Very bizarre.

For the purposes of your argument, it would be great if you could include some facts and not speak in total generalities, which aren’t useful.

I do that... Quite often... Regardless of what my take is, it won't be respected, anyway. So I'll spare the sermon.

Not in this case, though.

Nearly every case, if we're being honest.

“Every case” doesn’t matter. We are talking about this particular case, since we live in the present and don’t lose sleep over past stuff.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Why would I say didn't drag them to a Super Bowl? He couldn't even get them to the playoffs. Guaranteed playoff berth if they win in Week 17 and he turned into the pumpkin he's always been and melted down with three fourth quarter interceptions in a close game. I'll give him credit for his career year where he looked like an above average QB for some stretches but everyone who'd followed his career knew how it would turn out.

You've spent 15 years shitting on the greatest athletes of all time, actually accomplished people. You're in no position to think anyone is being unfair in their criticism of athletes. The underlying Brady aspect of this post is some of the richest irony I've ever come across.

showa58taro wrote:I like Fitzmagic quite a lot. He’s the greatest QB drafted outside the first 200 picks. But he’s not a top tier QB.

This seems impossible, but the caveat of being drafted eliminates a lot of guys.

"You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due"



*searches "Brady" and "Curry" in HMF search engine*

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Why would I say didn't drag them to a Super Bowl? He couldn't even get them to the playoffs. Guaranteed playoff berth if they win in Week 17 and he turned into the pumpkin he's always been and melted down with three fourth quarter interceptions in a close game. I'll give him credit for his career year where he looked like an above average QB for some stretches but everyone who'd followed his career knew how it would turn out.

You've spent 15 years shitting on the greatest athletes of all time, actually accomplished people. You're in no position to think anyone is being unfair in their criticism of athletes. The underlying Brady aspect of this post is some of the richest irony I've ever come across.

Brady on that same Jets team could easily be 4-12. He has shown absolutely no reason for me to think he'd be great outside of the New England powerhouse. He rarely throws deep, never attempts to look off a cover 2 safety because his first read is always wide open thanks to the illegal pick plays that New England has been running for 20 years, and for most of his career the coaches in his headset were relaying signals to each other while one had binoculars and a playbook, telling Brady to watch for the two-deep blitz. That shit can't be ignored. Brady is unrankable.

Just because I can drive a Ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, doesn't make me a better driver than Jeff Gordon.

Headhunter wrote:"You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due"



*searches "Brady" and "Curry" in HMF search engine*

I've trolled Curry. I have conceded many times that I am trolling and he is a tremendous shooter.

Brady is unrankable, but I do like him off the field outside of making out with his son. It pleases me that he went on air and reiterated everything I've said about him over the last ten years, except of course he never addressed the cheating shenanigans which is understandable.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Why would I say didn't drag them to a Super Bowl? He couldn't even get them to the playoffs. Guaranteed playoff berth if they win in Week 17 and he turned into the pumpkin he's always been and melted down with three fourth quarter interceptions in a close game. I'll give him credit for his career year where he looked like an above average QB for some stretches but everyone who'd followed his career knew how it would turn out.

You've spent 15 years shitting on the greatest athletes of all time, actually accomplished people. You're in no position to think anyone is being unfair in their criticism of athletes. The underlying Brady aspect of this post is some of the richest irony I've ever come across.

Brady on that same Jets team could easily be 4-12. He has shown absolutely no reason for me to think he'd be great outside of the New England powerhouse. He rarely throws deep, never attempts to look off a cover 2 safety because his first read is always wide open thanks to the illegal pick plays that New England has been running for 20 years, and for most of his career the coaches in his headset were relaying signals to each other while one had binoculars and a playbook, telling Brady to watch for the two-deep blitz. That shit can't be ignored. Brady is unrankable.

Just because I can drive a Ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, doesn't make me a better driver than Jeff Gordon.

Naturally, there's absolutely nothing of factual substance to this Brady would be 4-12 thing, just fueled by your complete inability to properly evaluate an all-time great athlete. Just delusional ramblings and "DEY CHEATED"

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:"You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due"



*searches "Brady" and "Curry" in HMF search engine*

I've trolled Curry. I have conceded many times that I am trolling and he is a tremendous shooter.

"I am trolling" is an interesting way to frame "I was wrong and couldn't put up a good front anymore".

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Why would I say didn't drag them to a Super Bowl? He couldn't even get them to the playoffs. Guaranteed playoff berth if they win in Week 17 and he turned into the pumpkin he's always been and melted down with three fourth quarter interceptions in a close game. I'll give him credit for his career year where he looked like an above average QB for some stretches but everyone who'd followed his career knew how it would turn out.

You've spent 15 years shitting on the greatest athletes of all time, actually accomplished people. You're in no position to think anyone is being unfair in their criticism of athletes. The underlying Brady aspect of this post is some of the richest irony I've ever come across.

Brady on that same Jets team could easily be 4-12. He has shown absolutely no reason for me to think he'd be great outside of the New England powerhouse. He rarely throws deep, never attempts to look off a cover 2 safety because his first read is always wide open thanks to the illegal pick plays that New England has been running for 20 years, and for most of his career the coaches in his headset were relaying signals to each other while one had binoculars and a playbook, telling Brady to watch for the two-deep blitz. That shit can't be ignored. Brady is unrankable.

Just because I can drive a Ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, doesn't make me a better driver than Jeff Gordon.

Naturally, there's absolutely nothing of factual substance to this Brady would be 4-12 thing, just fueled by your complete inability to properly evaluate an all-time great athlete. Just delusional ramblings and "DEY CHEATED"

There's nothing of factual substance that could suggest he'd be anything better than mediocre outside of New England, either. So I guess we'll never get anywhere.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:"You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due"



*searches "Brady" and "Curry" in HMF search engine*

I've trolled Curry. I have conceded many times that I am trolling and he is a tremendous shooter.

"I am trolling" is an interesting way to frame "I was wrong and couldn't put up a good front anymore".

I always thought he was a great shooter. I always said he blew ass because it rustled your jimmies so hard for some reason (and still does), so I kept doing it.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Why would I say didn't drag them to a Super Bowl? He couldn't even get them to the playoffs. Guaranteed playoff berth if they win in Week 17 and he turned into the pumpkin he's always been and melted down with three fourth quarter interceptions in a close game. I'll give him credit for his career year where he looked like an above average QB for some stretches but everyone who'd followed his career knew how it would turn out.

You've spent 15 years shitting on the greatest athletes of all time, actually accomplished people. You're in no position to think anyone is being unfair in their criticism of athletes. The underlying Brady aspect of this post is some of the richest irony I've ever come across.

Brady on that same Jets team could easily be 4-12. He has shown absolutely no reason for me to think he'd be great outside of the New England powerhouse. He rarely throws deep, never attempts to look off a cover 2 safety because his first read is always wide open thanks to the illegal pick plays that New England has been running for 20 years, and for most of his career the coaches in his headset were relaying signals to each other while one had binoculars and a playbook, telling Brady to watch for the two-deep blitz. That shit can't be ignored. Brady is unrankable.

Just because I can drive a Ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, doesn't make me a better driver than Jeff Gordon.

Naturally, there's absolutely nothing of factual substance to this Brady would be 4-12 thing, just fueled by your complete inability to properly evaluate an all-time great athlete. Just delusional ramblings and "DEY CHEATED"

There's nothing of factual substance that could suggest he'd be anything better than mediocre outside of New England, either. So I guess we'll never get anywhere.

So, this is how this works. When you have a take, the burden of proof is on you to show your case, not on everyone else to prove you wrong. That is how argument works, Jason.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Only a simpleton would be so dense as to misconstrue what I said as “Every comeback is the result of prior bad QB play”. I am not an arrogant blowhard so I don’t speak in absolutes. What i will do that you won’t is make an honest analysis and actually look at individual cases instead of vague “Well, most of the time...” lazy generalities that can’t be verified.

This is why I'm sparing the sermon. I will say one thing and it will be interpreted the way people prefer to interpret it. No point in arguing. I see things that you don't, and that is fine.

I’m giving you the opportunity to present one fact. You copping out makes you look like a jaded sour puss.

OK, fact: Fitzpatrick went to the Jets and inherited a 4-12 team that had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and took them to a 10-6 record. The week prior to the game you highlight his career with, where he threw three interceptions, he played one of the most brilliant games of the year and beat the Patriots in overtime. The fact they even won 5 games is a feat in itself, but they doubled that score and nearly made the fuckin' playoffs when they should've been at the bottom of the barrel. Pretty impressive. "Fitzy didn't drag their sorry asses to the Super Bowl, he's a loser".

You like to shit on certain guys and will never give them credit when its due (tends to be guys under the radar that I have been fond of and consider extremely underrated). He spent two seasons with that shit hole team and gave them their only winning season in ten years.

Just something to think about.

Why would I say didn't drag them to a Super Bowl? He couldn't even get them to the playoffs. Guaranteed playoff berth if they win in Week 17 and he turned into the pumpkin he's always been and melted down with three fourth quarter interceptions in a close game. I'll give him credit for his career year where he looked like an above average QB for some stretches but everyone who'd followed his career knew how it would turn out.

You've spent 15 years shitting on the greatest athletes of all time, actually accomplished people. You're in no position to think anyone is being unfair in their criticism of athletes. The underlying Brady aspect of this post is some of the richest irony I've ever come across.

Brady on that same Jets team could easily be 4-12. He has shown absolutely no reason for me to think he'd be great outside of the New England powerhouse. He rarely throws deep, never attempts to look off a cover 2 safety because his first read is always wide open thanks to the illegal pick plays that New England has been running for 20 years, and for most of his career the coaches in his headset were relaying signals to each other while one had binoculars and a playbook, telling Brady to watch for the two-deep blitz. That shit can't be ignored. Brady is unrankable.

Just because I can drive a Ferrari faster than Jeff Gordon can drive a Prius, doesn't make me a better driver than Jeff Gordon.

Naturally, there's absolutely nothing of factual substance to this Brady would be 4-12 thing, just fueled by your complete inability to properly evaluate an all-time great athlete. Just delusional ramblings and "DEY CHEATED"

There's nothing of factual substance that could suggest he'd be anything better than mediocre outside of New England, either. So I guess we'll never get anywhere.

So, this is how this works. When you have a take, the burden of proof is on you to show your case, not on everyone else to prove you wrong. That is how argument works, Jason.

I talked up Foles with my own take, he won the argument for me over the years by proving you and any other haters wrong, and we still get no bend in favor of him.

My takes are no longer respected here. Plain and simple.