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Headhunter wrote:No Democrat has won an election without winning the under 35 poll. Which currently has Bernie at 52%, Warren 17%, Biden 11%.

Young people won't vote if Biden is the nominee. I've suggested Warren would be the best compromise between old and young voters, but these numbers are pretty overwhelming. Democrats need to read the room if they want to win.

The middle is the only hope I think no one to the left has a chance

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:No Democrat has won an election without winning the under 35 poll. Which currently has Bernie at 52%, Warren 17%, Biden 11%.

Young people won't vote if Biden is the nominee. I've suggested Warren would be the best compromise between old and young voters, but these numbers are pretty overwhelming. Democrats need to read the room if they want to win.

The middle is the only hope I think no one to the left has a chance

The middle doesn't exist. You get a Republican lite or a leftist. Sanders is the only candidate young people will vote for en masse and was the most popular candidate in the Midwest (the region that won Trump the election) in 2016. Not sure what I'm missing, seems to me he has by far the best chance of winning.

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Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:No Democrat has won an election without winning the under 35 poll. Which currently has Bernie at 52%, Warren 17%, Biden 11%.

Young people won't vote if Biden is the nominee. I've suggested Warren would be the best compromise between old and young voters, but these numbers are pretty overwhelming. Democrats need to read the room if they want to win.

The middle is the only hope I think no one to the left has a chance

The middle doesn't exist. You get a Republican lite or a leftist. Sanders is the only candidate young people will vote for en masse and was the most popular candidate in the Midwest (the region that won Trump the election) in 2016. Not sure what I'm missing, seems to me he has by far the best chance of winning.

You need a centrist who's not obviously suffering the effects of old age who's not a socialist. Do you think Biden Warren or Sanders could actually win a general election? All would get smashed if there is no centrist candidate to run that race is over before it started

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:No Democrat has won an election without winning the under 35 poll. Which currently has Bernie at 52%, Warren 17%, Biden 11%.

Young people won't vote if Biden is the nominee. I've suggested Warren would be the best compromise between old and young voters, but these numbers are pretty overwhelming. Democrats need to read the room if they want to win.

The middle is the only hope I think no one to the left has a chance

The middle doesn't exist. You get a Republican lite or a leftist. Sanders is the only candidate young people will vote for en masse and was the most popular candidate in the Midwest (the region that won Trump the election) in 2016. Not sure what I'm missing, seems to me he has by far the best chance of winning.

You need a centrist who's not obviously suffering the effects of old age who's not a socialist. Do you think Biden Warren or Sanders could actually win a general election? All would get smashed if there is no centrist candidate to run that race is over before it started

Nobody running for president in the Democratic Party is a socialist. They are all capitalists. Socialism means workers owning the means of production, a political system that has never been used once in history.

Why do you need a centrist when the numbers reflect that the leftist candidate would be more popular in the demographics Democrats didn't win in the last election and historically need to win in order to win elections? You're ignoring the points I've made here and just repeating yourself.

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Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:No Democrat has won an election without winning the under 35 poll. Which currently has Bernie at 52%, Warren 17%, Biden 11%.

Young people won't vote if Biden is the nominee. I've suggested Warren would be the best compromise between old and young voters, but these numbers are pretty overwhelming. Democrats need to read the room if they want to win.

The middle is the only hope I think no one to the left has a chance

The middle doesn't exist. You get a Republican lite or a leftist. Sanders is the only candidate young people will vote for en masse and was the most popular candidate in the Midwest (the region that won Trump the election) in 2016. Not sure what I'm missing, seems to me he has by far the best chance of winning.

You need a centrist who's not obviously suffering the effects of old age who's not a socialist. Do you think Biden Warren or Sanders could actually win a general election? All would get smashed if there is no centrist candidate to run that race is over before it started

Nobody running for president in the Democratic Party is a socialist. They are all capitalists. Socialism means workers owning the means of production, a political system that has never been used once in history.

Why do you need a centrist when the numbers reflect that the leftist candidate would be more popular in the demographics Democrats didn't win in the last election and historically need to win in order to win elections? You're ignoring the points I've made here and just repeating yourself.

Let me tell you about numbers they dont mean shit and the majority of Americans dont want anything to do with socialism and this Democrat batch is tainted with that title even if they are not that.

If the British vote shows anything it's when people are not afraid of ridicule they vote conservative same as here. Polls are meaningless

So...

1. Democrats never win when they don't run the young people's preferred candidate. When they do run the young people's preferred candidate, they always win. This is a trend going back 50+ years. Bernie Sanders is by far the most popular candidate with young people. 52% compared to 17% for Warren and 11% for Biden.

2. Democrats own the Northeast and West Coast. Republicans own the South and flyover states. The disputed region that flips all the time is the Midwest. Bernie Sanders was the most popular candidate in the Midwest, more popular than Trump. A lot of Bernie's would-be voters opted for Trump instead of Hillary.



I don't know, man. That's a lot of votes the Democrats didn't get in the last election that they would get this time. So you'd be betting on a ton of people who vote Democrat no matter what, most likely older voters, either flipping to Trump or sitting out the election which old people don't do (but young people do). They're really going to lose that many votes from that demographic? I don't see it.

Tiggnutz wrote:If the British vote shows anything it's when people are not afraid of ridicule they vote conservative same as here. Polls are meaningless

They're not meaningless. In the long run, they're pretty reliable.

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Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:No Democrat has won an election without winning the under 35 poll. Which currently has Bernie at 52%, Warren 17%, Biden 11%.

Young people won't vote if Biden is the nominee. I've suggested Warren would be the best compromise between old and young voters, but these numbers are pretty overwhelming. Democrats need to read the room if they want to win.

The middle is the only hope I think no one to the left has a chance

The middle doesn't exist. You get a Republican lite or a leftist. Sanders is the only candidate young people will vote for en masse and was the most popular candidate in the Midwest (the region that won Trump the election) in 2016. Not sure what I'm missing, seems to me he has by far the best chance of winning.

You need a centrist who's not obviously suffering the effects of old age who's not a socialist. Do you think Biden Warren or Sanders could actually win a general election? All would get smashed if there is no centrist candidate to run that race is over before it started

Nobody running for president in the Democratic Party is a socialist. They are all capitalists. Socialism means workers owning the means of production, a political system that has never been used once in history.

Why do you need a centrist when the numbers reflect that the leftist candidate would be more popular in the demographics Democrats didn't win in the last election and historically need to win in order to win elections? You're ignoring the points I've made here and just repeating yourself.

Let me tell you about numbers they dont mean shit and the majority of Americans dont want anything to do with socialism and this Democrat batch is tainted with that title even if they are not that.

So you're just straight up ignoring my posts. Cool. None of these candidates are socialists. They're all capitalists.

Just my opinion but Sanders doesn't even have a remote chance really even Warren and if Biden is the nominee his obvious problems will be on display it wont work.

If we're going to say they're "tainted by the title", is that not an issue of American voters being politically uneducated? We just gonna gloss over that? People should wise up. I know they won't, but it's ridiculous.

Tiggnutz wrote:Just my opinion but Sanders doesn't even have a remote chance really even Warren and if Biden is the nominee his obvious problems will be on display it wont work.

I get that it's your opinion but you're not backing it up with anything. I've given you examples of how Sanders gets votes Hillary didn't get (and she won the popular vote, which the polls accurately reflected, something conservatives constantly misrepresent).

Headhunter wrote:If we're going to say they're "tainted by the title", is that not an issue of American voters being politically uneducated? We just gonna gloss over that? People should wise up. I know they won't, but it's ridiculous.

Not really they never spoke out to differentiate themselves because of fear of the mob. And to be honest besides winning the coasts they offer nothing for everyone else

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Tiggnutz wrote:Just my opinion but Sanders doesn't even have a remote chance really even Warren and if Biden is the nominee his obvious problems will be on display it wont work.

I get that it's your opinion but you're not backing it up with anything. I've given you examples of how Sanders gets votes Hillary didn't get (and she won the popular vote, which the polls accurately reflected, something conservatives constantly misrepresent).

You cant win by winning coastal states

Things young people are worried about:

1. Crippling student loan debt they can never escape from because of compound interest
2. Unlikelihood of ever being able to buy a home
3. Footing the bill of boomers' health care costs while getting progressively shittier and shittier insurance plans
4. Stagnant wages
5. The Earth turning into an apocalyptic hell-hole that the leader of the free world frames as a Chinese hoax

They're not going to support a candidate who doesn't address the realities of the next 50 years

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Tiggnutz wrote:Just my opinion but Sanders doesn't even have a remote chance really even Warren and if Biden is the nominee his obvious problems will be on display it wont work.

I get that it's your opinion but you're not backing it up with anything. I've given you examples of how Sanders gets votes Hillary didn't get (and she won the popular vote, which the polls accurately reflected, something conservatives constantly misrepresent).

You cant win by winning coastal states

...and I've repeatedly pointed to the fact that Bernie Sanders was the most popular candidate regardless of political affiliation in the Midwest, which is historically the most disputed political region

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:If we're going to say they're "tainted by the title", is that not an issue of American voters being politically uneducated? We just gonna gloss over that? People should wise up. I know they won't, but it's ridiculous.

Not really they never spoke out to differentiate themselves because of fear of the mob. And to be honest besides winning the coasts they offer nothing for everyone else

Trump bring the factories and coal mines back yet?

Also, how can you say that people misrepresenting (or being led to misrepresent) capitalists as socialists is "not really" an issue? The hell is that bizarro world 1984 shit? Yes, that's an issue. Holy hell . . .

Trump definitely wins in 2020. And it's because the Democrats are run by stubborn old people who shout down young people and would rather lose their way than win while admitting they've been fucking people over. I have dealt with old Democrats and they don't have a fucking clue. Like old Trump voters, they have the luxury of not dealing with the consequences of their mistakes.

Their entire philosophy is "it'll swing back the other way, we don't need to change". I'm not kidding, this is the way they think. I'm critical of young liberals who won't "play the game" and take some short term gains even if it's not 100% philosophically in line with their values, but you have to recognize reality: they're not going to play the game. So the only hope is older liberals giving an inch to them, which they won't. This is a disaster.

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Just my opinion but Sanders doesn't even have a remote chance really even Warren and if Biden is the nominee his obvious problems will be on display it wont work.

I get that it's your opinion but you're not backing it up with anything. I've given you examples of how Sanders gets votes Hillary didn't get (and she won the popular vote, which the polls accurately reflected, something conservatives constantly misrepresent).

And you've made compelling points. Unless he shits Jesus, no way Sanders wins.