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As a marijuana user, do you think you are qualified to give an unbiased opinion of the drug that includes the full scope of the negatives?Headhunter wrote:And if we want to have an honest convo, it would be: who is safer behind the wheel, a stoner or an alcoholic? Both are used to the effects of their drug of choice. Not a single doubt in my mind the alcoholic is more dangerous.
acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?showa58taro wrote:In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.zombie wrote:i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.showa58taro wrote:Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.Jason wrote:Seb admits it.
In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.
i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.
I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.
Hey, that's fair enough. I think I'm more qualified to discuss the issue of driving while high than someone who has only smoked weed a handful of times, but you do have to consider my bias. But given that this is a case where you can't possibly ever know the answer, but I can give you an idea from my experience, is what I tell you not a more valuable insight than just guessing what it might be like to drive high? However useless you may deem my take on the matter to be. Gotta be a middle ground doesn't there?Foo wrote:As a marijuana user, do you think you are qualified to give an unbiased opinion of the drug that includes the full scope of the negatives?Headhunter wrote:And if we want to have an honest convo, it would be: who is safer behind the wheel, a stoner or an alcoholic? Both are used to the effects of their drug of choice. Not a single doubt in my mind the alcoholic is more dangerous.
When we like something, it is amazing what we can talk ourselves into.
I don't think the idea of "white guilt" should somehow be associated with some kind of crippling sycophantism towards others, or this constant "my bad" type of dealing. The guilt, if it can be called that, is not about personal guilt. You personally shouldn't feel anything. Neither should black people regarding MLK or Juice.zombie wrote:acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?showa58taro wrote:In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.zombie wrote:i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.showa58taro wrote:Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.Jason wrote:Seb admits it.
In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.
i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.
I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.
or let's look at this in a non-negative way.... martin luther king did a lot to move race relations forward. does that mean that every black man can take credit for his actions and his historical merit?
I can only promise that I'll bitch as much or little as I want to and there's basically no hope in anyone regulating that but me. Hope that's good enough. :twisted:Reign in Blood wrote:I don't want to hear anymore bitching then. In the politics or sports sections. It's like dealing with my brothers' kids or something, you nerve wracking sons of bitches.Headhunter wrote:That was a one day deal.Reign in Blood wrote:Headward, you are not doing a very good job of ignoring Jason.
okay. you seem to be using it differently than someone like jason uses it. so fair enough.showa58taro wrote:I don't think the idea of "white guilt" should somehow be associated with some kind of crippling sycophantism towards others, or this constant "my bad" type of dealing. The guilt, if it can be called that, is not about personal guilt. You personally shouldn't feel anything. Neither should black people regarding MLK or Juice.zombie wrote:acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?showa58taro wrote:In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.zombie wrote:i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.showa58taro wrote:Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.Jason wrote:Seb admits it.
In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.
i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.
I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.
or let's look at this in a non-negative way.... martin luther king did a lot to move race relations forward. does that mean that every black man can take credit for his actions and his historical merit?
Wise man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJ2ZuGWR9AJason wrote:Speaking of marijuana. A little off topic, but I've got a fairly interesting story I thought I'd share.
My friend's wife recently lost her marbles. They have a young daughter about two and just moved into a new home. But over the past few weeks she went pretty nutty and accused him of cheating on her (100% chance he would never do that, btw). She was stalking him at work, freaking out 24/7 about totally off the wall, bizarre ass shit. So they actually took her to the hospital and determined that because she had been recently using marijuana more frequently than normal, it caused a chemical imbalance in her brain. Another friend visited her in the hospital and she said the Ninja Turtles came. He thought she was joking or that maybe some people dressed up as Ninja Turtles were going around making kids happier or something. He had to be pulled to the side and told that she actually believed she saw real Ninja Turtles.
I'm not sure how they treated the chemical imbalance in her brain, but she is completely fine now. Pretty crazy shit.
Jason also doesn't know that Juxtaposition is a valid and important word in political theory, and that somehow he thinks Headward himself can have "hidden white guilt" like some form of Syphilis. I don't know why you'd think I would use his attempts at "English".zombie wrote:okay. you seem to be using it differently than someone like jason uses it. so fair enough.showa58taro wrote:I don't think the idea of "white guilt" should somehow be associated with some kind of crippling sycophantism towards others, or this constant "my bad" type of dealing. The guilt, if it can be called that, is not about personal guilt. You personally shouldn't feel anything. Neither should black people regarding MLK or Juice.zombie wrote:acknowledging should not be taken to mean feeling guilt or wrongdoing in yourself. oj simpson (allegedly) murdered two caucasians. does acknowledging that mean that you are guilty yourself, if you happen to also be black?showa58taro wrote:In this case I definitely was not applying white guilt to any point whatsoever, just to be clear.zombie wrote:i think you're trying hard to apply "white guilt" to your viewpoints for the sake of it, and i don't understand why. you can ackowledge that racism exists, or that white americans, at points in our history, behaved in a fucked up way toward mimorities, without feeling guilty yourself, for that history, or the racism you see in certain other people.showa58taro wrote:Just reading up what it means, it suggests the assertion that White People should consider the historic racism and atrocities of the past in their reconciliation of the present. Which is exactly what I talk about when I talk about the blatant institutional racism present in the US and how it is visibly harder to be a black man than a white man in the US, now, and that this ties through to the difficult history of racism and slavery in the US, and the slow but painful movement towards equality. On that scale, I certainly fall more towards the "White people need to make amends" category than the "it's all good" category.Jason wrote:Seb admits it.
In this argument about cops, though, I have deliberately avoided that topic altogether as I don't think that was the central premise here.
i don't feel guilty because of the actions of others. charles manson murdered a bunch of people in the past. but that does not impact me personally in any way. and it shouldn't be held against me, in any way, as a white male.
I think in other contexts, it acts as an obvious fulcrum for how to address imbalances in society, and that if you don't acknowledge the inequalities and redress them, you are by default omitting the historic imbalance of power.
or let's look at this in a non-negative way.... martin luther king did a lot to move race relations forward. does that mean that every black man can take credit for his actions and his historical merit?
showa58taro wrote:
Jason also doesn't know that Juxtaposition is a valid and important word in political theory, and that somehow he thinks Headward himself can have "hidden white guilt" like some form of Syphilis. I don't know why you'd think I would use his attempts at "English".
point taken.Newsflash! The worst thing I have done as a driver has been stoned as fucked and rolling the wheels up the curb, and everyone laughing. On route to buying more weed, btw. No one on this earth can tell me they are great behind the wheel while stoned.Headhunter wrote:I would say you're wrong and it isn't even remotely close. Unfortunately, that's from personal experience. I'm not proud.Jason wrote:I don't really have views on marijuana. Not something I'm interested in, not something I've ever done, also not something I know much about. I would say driving on marijuana would be equally ill-advised as driving while drinking.Headhunter wrote:Omg I'd love to hear your moronic views on marijuana. You genuinely know nothing about it. Keep going.Jason wrote:Marijuana is good for you, though. He smokes marijuana to clear his head so he can take better care of his child.Foo wrote:What do you think of Castile driving while getting high with a child in the car?
He was arrested 22 times...
It is more dangerous to drive buzzed on alcohol than driving as high on weed as you can possibly be.
Do you not think it would have been worse if you were drunk? I'm not saying anyone is great behind the wheel while stoned but it's much closer to sober driving than it is drunk driving. When I was drunk behind the wheel, I felt like I couldn't control anything I was doing. When I'm stoned? Only noticeable difference is being a little overly cautious, driving maybe 5 mph slower than normal.Reign in Blood wrote:Newsflash! The worst thing I have done as a driver has been stoned as fucked and rolling the wheels up the curb, and everyone laughing. On route to buying more weed, btw. No one on this earth can tell me they are great behind the wheel while stoned.Headhunter wrote:I would say you're wrong and it isn't even remotely close. Unfortunately, that's from personal experience. I'm not proud.Jason wrote:I don't really have views on marijuana. Not something I'm interested in, not something I've ever done, also not something I know much about. I would say driving on marijuana would be equally ill-advised as driving while drinking.Headhunter wrote:Omg I'd love to hear your moronic views on marijuana. You genuinely know nothing about it. Keep going.Jason wrote:Marijuana is good for you, though. He smokes marijuana to clear his head so he can take better care of his child.Foo wrote:What do you think of Castile driving while getting high with a child in the car?
He was arrested 22 times...
It is more dangerous to drive buzzed on alcohol than driving as high on weed as you can possibly be.
Who are you having an imaginary argument with now, Fooskey?Foo wrote:When I drive on a combination of cocaine and pcp, it is really kinda better than when I am sober, cuz I am really excited and super at paying attention. It is like I am seeing things and dodging them before they are even there!
I thought we were sharing how we felt while under the influence of drugs and driving? If it makes me feel good in that moment, I figure it is all good.Headhunter wrote:Who are you having an imaginary argument with now, Fooskey?Foo wrote:When I drive on a combination of cocaine and pcp, it is really kinda better than when I am sober, cuz I am really excited and super at paying attention. It is like I am seeing things and dodging them before they are even there!