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Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:horror should be like punk rock or metal. there should always be some element of rebellion against the mainstream. i think it loses some of the power if it goes completely mainstream. like the difference between texas chain saw massacre or saw and criminal minds or something. enh... i don't want it to become sanitized. but then i also want it to be more respected on it's own terms. i guess i can't have it both ways.

Does living in a post-moralistic world hurt the branding of horror, even while increasing its exposure to audiences?

i mean if you're saying that it's harder to push buttons because people just don't care as much anymore, as a whole.. i don't know if i buy that. but i guess it's possible. if that's the case, then horror will die out, unless it can really jar people out of apathy or indifference. or something else does it, that horror can capitalize on. but i don't know if that's even what you're meaning to get at.

By post-moralistic I mean there are not people trying to impose moral safeguards against the entertainment we consume anymore. At least not on a wide-scale level the way it used to be. In not having that, does horror lose some of its image? The cult-ness of horror WAS the image, but now it's all widely acknowledged as good respectable shit.

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:The total mainstreamification moment of all worlds colliding could have happened two years ago if Get Out won.

Flick's gotta be good for that to happen first.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:horror should be like punk rock or metal. there should always be some element of rebellion against the mainstream. i think it loses some of the power if it goes completely mainstream. like the difference between texas chain saw massacre or saw and criminal minds or something. enh... i don't want it to become sanitized. but then i also want it to be more respected on it's own terms. i guess i can't have it both ways.

Does living in a post-moralistic world hurt the branding of horror, even while increasing its exposure to audiences?

i mean if you're saying that it's harder to push buttons because people just don't care as much anymore, as a whole.. i don't know if i buy that. but i guess it's possible. if that's the case, then horror will die out, unless it can really jar people out of apathy or indifference. or something else does it, that horror can capitalize on. but i don't know if that's even what you're meaning to get at.

By post-moralistic I mean there are not people trying to impose moral safeguards against the entertainment we consume anymore. At least not on a wide-scale level the way it used to be. In not having that, does horror lose some of its image? The cult-ness of horror WAS the image, but now it's all widely acknowledged as good respectable shit.

but a lot of it is being recognized in hindsight.

is bong joon ho's wins with parasite a game changer, or is it just jonathan demme with silence of the lambs again? i don't know. if it is a game changer, i hope that horror can still have teeth with it's films, even while being better respected as a genre.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:horror should be like punk rock or metal. there should always be some element of rebellion against the mainstream. i think it loses some of the power if it goes completely mainstream. like the difference between texas chain saw massacre or saw and criminal minds or something. enh... i don't want it to become sanitized. but then i also want it to be more respected on it's own terms. i guess i can't have it both ways.

Does living in a post-moralistic world hurt the branding of horror, even while increasing its exposure to audiences?

i mean if you're saying that it's harder to push buttons because people just don't care as much anymore, as a whole.. i don't know if i buy that. but i guess it's possible. if that's the case, then horror will die out, unless it can really jar people out of apathy or indifference. or something else does it, that horror can capitalize on. but i don't know if that's even what you're meaning to get at.

By post-moralistic I mean there are not people trying to impose moral safeguards against the entertainment we consume anymore. At least not on a wide-scale level the way it used to be. In not having that, does horror lose some of its image? The cult-ness of horror WAS the image, but now it's all widely acknowledged as good respectable shit.

but a lot of it is being recognized in hindsight.

is bong joon ho's wins with parasite a game changer, or is it just jonathan demme with silence of the lambs again? i don't know. if it is a game changer, i hope that horror can still have teeth with it's films, even while being better respected as a genre.

Headhunter wrote:Maybe there's never an "Aha!" win for horror with one movie. There doesn't need to be. The "Aha!" is Tobe Hooper canonized in film theory at a university level alongside Francis Ford Coppola and Marty Scorsese.

Headhunter wrote:Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

then that will show moving forward, in horror (and not just horror filmmakers escaping the genre to find respectability) or it will be demme again with silence of the lambs being an anomaly while horror, as a genre, remains "other" as you called it before.

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Yeah, it’s in hindsight. They crawled so Bong can run.

then that will show moving forward, in horror (and not just horror filmmakers escaping the genre to find respectability) or it will be demme again with silence of the lambs being an anomaly while horror, as a genre, remains "other" as you called it before.

We're already here. We currently exist in this non-other world where horror is mainstream, mainstream is horror and a room full of old Hollywood producers laugh about Texas chainsaws.

Reign in Blood wrote:I think the point is.. Headward is peddlin' the bullshit again. Because we're so lost, the fucking highway, it's off muholland drive, bros. It happens, he's good at it.

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I think the point is.. Headward is peddlin' the bullshit again. Because we're so lost, the fucking highway, it's off muholland drive, bros. It happens, he's good at it.

I was most certainly on one when I started spitfiring all these weird questions but they're interesting questions nonetheless.