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zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:17 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:11 pm Here are my rankings of the F13 series:

1. Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter
2. Friday the 13th (1980)
3. Friday The 13th Part III
4. Friday the 13th (2009)
5. Friday the 13th Part 2
6. Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning
7. Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
8. Freddy vs. Jason
9. Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives
10. Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday
11. Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan
12. Jason X

This is a list I can stand behind. Remake does not get enough love. One of the best horror remakes of the 2000s. Jason was the shit in this movie.

Agreed! Derek Mears was an excellent Jason and he's the only one who's performance comes close to Hodder's. This film was everything a F13 films should be. My only gripe was some of the cheesy dialogue and the double opening but those are minor complaints.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

that was platinum dunes... but that was easily the worst of the big three that they did. still, i don't want freddy to just be forgotten or moved past.

Nightmare on Elm Street series:

1. A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)
2. NOES 3: Dream Warriors
3. NOES 2: Freddy's Revenge
4. New Nightmare
5. Freddy vs. Jason
6. NOES 4: The Dream Master
7. NOES 5: The Dream Child
8. Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare
9. A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:22 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:17 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:11 pm Here are my rankings of the F13 series:

1. Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter
2. Friday the 13th (1980)
3. Friday The 13th Part III
4. Friday the 13th (2009)
5. Friday the 13th Part 2
6. Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning
7. Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
8. Freddy vs. Jason
9. Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives
10. Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday
11. Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan
12. Jason X

This is a list I can stand behind. Remake does not get enough love. One of the best horror remakes of the 2000s. Jason was the shit in this movie.

Agreed! Derek Mears was an excellent Jason and he's the only one who's performance comes close to Hodder's. This film was everything a F13 films should be. My only gripe was some of the cheesy dialogue and the double opening but those are minor complaints.

Yeah. The double opening thing gets a pass from me since this is kind of a remake of the first four parts rolled into one. The cheesiness was a little over the top, but it added to the satisfaction of watching them get whacked. Lol.

And I am probably in the minority, but I put Mears ahead of Hodder. There's no Jason performance I didn't like except Kirzinger, though. But I prefer the slow-stalking and creepy Jason as opposed to the aggressive heavy breathing version of Hodder. But Mears was a great combination of both.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:24 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

that was platinum dunes... but that was easily the worst of the big three that they did. still, i don't want freddy to just be forgotten or moved past.

Wouldn't you rather the mainstream keeps the classics at the front of the line rather than introducing newer generations to bad remakes? I would rather see movie theaters opening up that are dedicated to classic movies rather than movie studios pumping out bad remakes for a quick pay day.

Derek Mears is a great person to meet should you get the chance. Really cool guy

Ranking Jason

7) Ken Kirzinger
6) Kane Hodder
5) Steve Dash
4) Derek Mears
3) Richard Brooker
2) C.J. Graham
1) Ted White

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:24 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

that was platinum dunes... but that was easily the worst of the big three that they did. still, i don't want freddy to just be forgotten or moved past.

Wouldn't you rather the mainstream keeps the classics at the front of the line rather than introducing newer generations to bad remakes? I would rather see movie theaters opening up that are dedicated to classic movies rather than movie studios pumping out bad remakes for a quick pay day.

i think that remakes do bring attention back to the originals. but if shudder or vinegar syndrome or some other entity does open some kind of theater chain that is dedicated to re-releasing the horror classics for new viewers, that would be fucking awesome. if tarantino wanted to dedicate his time to that, after his tenth film whatever i would love to see that. but i don't think that it's likely.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:24 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

that was platinum dunes... but that was easily the worst of the big three that they did. still, i don't want freddy to just be forgotten or moved past.

Wouldn't you rather the mainstream keeps the classics at the front of the line rather than introducing newer generations to bad remakes? I would rather see movie theaters opening up that are dedicated to classic movies rather than movie studios pumping out bad remakes for a quick pay day.

i think that remakes do bring attention back to the originals. but if shudder or vinegar syndrome or some other entity does open some kind of theater chain that is dedicated to re-releasing the horror classics for new viewers, that would be fucking awesome. if tarantino wanted to dedicate his time to that, after his tenth film whatever i would love to see that. but i don't think that it's likely.

The problem is money is the priority rather than the preservation of film and reintroducing them to newer generations. Gotta rely on fans of classics to introduce them to their children rather than hoping they stumble across it on a streaming service.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:34 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:24 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

that was platinum dunes... but that was easily the worst of the big three that they did. still, i don't want freddy to just be forgotten or moved past.

Wouldn't you rather the mainstream keeps the classics at the front of the line rather than introducing newer generations to bad remakes? I would rather see movie theaters opening up that are dedicated to classic movies rather than movie studios pumping out bad remakes for a quick pay day.

i think that remakes do bring attention back to the originals. but if shudder or vinegar syndrome or some other entity does open some kind of theater chain that is dedicated to re-releasing the horror classics for new viewers, that would be fucking awesome. if tarantino wanted to dedicate his time to that, after his tenth film whatever i would love to see that. but i don't think that it's likely.

The problem is money is the priority rather than the preservation of film and reintroducing them to newer generations. Gotta rely on fans of classics to introduce them to their children rather than hoping they stumble across it on a streaming service.

that's fair to say. meanwhile, you do get more of your favorite horror icon whether you like that output or not. and i just have to sit on my thumbs waiting.

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:30 pm Derek Mears is a great person to meet should you get the chance. Really cool guy

I would love to meet him. I have met Hodder, Ted White, Richard Brooker, Ken Kirzinger, and Ari Lehman.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm Ranking Jason

7) Ken Kirzinger
6) Kane Hodder
5) Steve Dash
4) Derek Mears
3) Richard Brooker
2) C.J. Graham
1) Ted White

1. Kane Hodder
2. Derek Mears
3. Richard Brooker
4. C.J. Graham
5. Ted White
6. Ken Kirzinger
7. Steve Dash

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:37 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:34 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:24 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:19 pm it's really been over a decade since a nightmare on elmstreet flick... i want more, even if it means no englund.

I don't think you do, given how horrific the last installment was.

that was platinum dunes... but that was easily the worst of the big three that they did. still, i don't want freddy to just be forgotten or moved past.

Wouldn't you rather the mainstream keeps the classics at the front of the line rather than introducing newer generations to bad remakes? I would rather see movie theaters opening up that are dedicated to classic movies rather than movie studios pumping out bad remakes for a quick pay day.

i think that remakes do bring attention back to the originals. but if shudder or vinegar syndrome or some other entity does open some kind of theater chain that is dedicated to re-releasing the horror classics for new viewers, that would be fucking awesome. if tarantino wanted to dedicate his time to that, after his tenth film whatever i would love to see that. but i don't think that it's likely.

The problem is money is the priority rather than the preservation of film and reintroducing them to newer generations. Gotta rely on fans of classics to introduce them to their children rather than hoping they stumble across it on a streaming service.

that's fair to say. meanwhile, you do get more of your favorite horror icon whether you like that output or not. and i just have to sit on my thumbs waiting.

The problem is the modernization. What made these movies so great was the horror charm of the 80s and the mysteries behind the villains. Modernity is going to give you their full childhood background which isn't really something I'm interested. For example, I'd rather stick with the fan theory that Jason's father could possibly be the gravekeeper in Jason Lives, rather than get the new, made up answer in a modernized horror TV series with CGI up the butt.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:40 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm Ranking Jason

7) Ken Kirzinger
6) Kane Hodder
5) Steve Dash
4) Derek Mears
3) Richard Brooker
2) C.J. Graham
1) Ted White

1. Kane Hodder
2. Derek Mears
3. Richard Brooker
4. C.J. Graham
5. Ted White
6. Ken Kirzinger
7. Steve Dash

What about Warrington Gillette?

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:40 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm Ranking Jason

7) Ken Kirzinger
6) Kane Hodder
5) Steve Dash
4) Derek Mears
3) Richard Brooker
2) C.J. Graham
1) Ted White

1. Kane Hodder
2. Derek Mears
3. Richard Brooker
4. C.J. Graham
5. Ted White
6. Ken Kirzinger
7. Steve Dash

What about Warrington Gillette?

Gillette doesn't get a mention because all he did was play unmasked Jason in the window scene. Dash actually portrayed Jason throughout the film.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:51 am friday the 13th part 4 is not nor was ever the best slasher of all time, nor even of the year that it was releaseds... and this belongs here more than it does in the politics thread, so yeah.

So I've seen *checks list* 33 horror movies from 1984. Of the ones I consider slashers, the best two are obviously Rocktober Blood and Satan's Blade.



Actually, both of those were quite solid in my view, but ANOES beats out The Final Chapter, and while I love The Final Chapter, it actually ties with Children of the Corn in terms of personal enjoyment (I give both movies an 8.5/10).

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:53 pm

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:40 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm Ranking Jason

7) Ken Kirzinger
6) Kane Hodder
5) Steve Dash
4) Derek Mears
3) Richard Brooker
2) C.J. Graham
1) Ted White

1. Kane Hodder
2. Derek Mears
3. Richard Brooker
4. C.J. Graham
5. Ted White
6. Ken Kirzinger
7. Steve Dash

What about Warrington Gillette?

Gillette doesn't get a mention because all he did was play unmasked Jason in the window scene. Dash actually portrayed Jason throughout the film.

I thought he was kinda short when I met him. I thought he had more of a part in it but I guess not

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:53 pm

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:40 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm Ranking Jason

7) Ken Kirzinger
6) Kane Hodder
5) Steve Dash
4) Derek Mears
3) Richard Brooker
2) C.J. Graham
1) Ted White

1. Kane Hodder
2. Derek Mears
3. Richard Brooker
4. C.J. Graham
5. Ted White
6. Ken Kirzinger
7. Steve Dash

What about Warrington Gillette?

Gillette doesn't get a mention because all he did was play unmasked Jason in the window scene. Dash actually portrayed Jason throughout the film.

I thought he was kinda short when I met him. I thought he had more of a part in it but I guess not

There was a massive clashing of heads like 20 years ago between the two of them because Warrington always took credit for playing Jason when he didn't. Things eventually simmered down though. But apparently Warrington still signs pictures of Jason from part 2 that isn't him.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:46 pm The problem is the modernization. What made these movies so great was the horror charm of the 80s and the mysteries behind the villains. Modernity is going to give you their full childhood background which isn't really something I'm interested. For example, I'd rather stick with the fan theory that Jason's father could possibly be the gravekeeper in Jason Lives, rather than get the new, made up answer in a modernized horror TV series with CGI up the butt.

i don't think that's modernization. that's losing sight of what made them work to start with. it happened in the 80s too, or early 90s. freddy's dead was exactly what you described more than fake nancy mara and platinum dunes' was. if you try to make a scary film with that character, make them the boogeyman of the film rather than the main character antagonist or something, then i think it could work. also getting the right director and actor would make a big difference. samuel bayer clearly wasn't it for elm street.