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I wonder which one will be called a bitch ass.

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Cam's stats with Kelvin Benjamin: 47 TDs, 37 INTs
Cam's stats without Kelvin Benjamin: 47 TDs, 15 INTs

Panthers record with Kelvin Benjamin: 18-21-1
Panthers record without Kelvin Benjamin: 21-3


Have fun with Josh Allen.

Wrap it up Ray

Dawkins' speech was fucking awesome. Passion and intensity without the bullshit.

33 minutes. Jesus fucking Christ. I'd rather listen to puppies and kittens hopelessly cry for help than listen to that phony give a half hour sermon.

Urlacher and Dawkins both had great speeches

Champ, Ed Reed and Tony G all locks next year.

Headhunter wrote:LT is a pass rusher.

Lewis is a linebacker.

Lewis is a middle linebacker.

But yeah, L.T. is better, regardless. Two tiers, tbh.

Headhunter wrote:Champ, Ed Reed and Tony G all locks next year.

Champ should be. He is GOAT corner, but Denver is known to be shafted in things like this. Fucking Atwater isn't in... seriously...

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:LT is a pass rusher.

Lewis is a linebacker.

Lewis is a middle linebacker.

But yeah, L.T. is better, regardless. Two tiers, tbh.

Not really a useful distinction. Lewis’ role was 10x closer to a traditional outside linebacker than what LT did. LT was a defensive end rushing from a two point stance. Edge rusher.

Yeah, but L.T. dropped into coverage significantly more often than he's given credit for.

I realize they're totally different linebackers, I just have Lawrence way ahead at his craft than Lewis.

Jason wrote:Yeah, but L.T. dropped into coverage significantly more often than he's given credit for.

I realize they're totally different linebackers, I just have Lawrence way ahead at his craft than Lewis.

How are you measuring that? They were both nearly perfect at what they did. If you wanted to say LT’s role on defense was more valuable, fine.

L.T. did what he did better than what Lewis did.

Definitely not true. What he did was just more valuable.

And more difficult.

Better athletes did what LT did but difficulty is completely subjectives. Off ball linebackers have more varied responsibilities and have to cover far more ground on the field. It is also more of a thinking man's position.

Again, none of this speaks to how well either did their job, just the relative value of one job to another. Which is how you measure the two when both are the archetypes for what they did. Reggie was the real GOAT though.

Pure pass rusher? Maybe. Reggie White sure as shit couldn't run down Reuben Mayes, I can tell you that right now.

Jason wrote:Pure pass rusher? Maybe. Reggie White sure as shit couldn't run down Reuben Mayes, I can tell you that right now.

And you think LT could play any spot on the line, control the A and B gaps if asked to? No.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:Pure pass rusher? Maybe. Reggie White sure as shit couldn't run down Reuben Mayes, I can tell you that right now.

And you think LT could play any spot on the line, control the A and B gaps if asked to? No.

Yeah, I'd say he could.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:Pure pass rusher? Maybe. Reggie White sure as shit couldn't run down Reuben Mayes, I can tell you that right now.

And you think LT could play any spot on the line, control the A and B gaps if asked to? No.

Yeah, I'd say he could.

Lol. No. He would have been outmuscled and run all over. That's like saying Von could play defensive tackle.