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That actually makes sense. I don't follow the awards shows, as you well know, I'm sure. But how long have they been considering foreign films for best overall picture?zombie wrote:we're not segregating foreign films. because they are also eligible for best picture. if the academy were to exclude them from nomination as best picture, that may very well be segregation.Jason wrote:I'm not arguing for, or against, whether or not a foreign film should or shouldn't be considered for best picture. I've simply asked why is there even a category for best foreign film if a foreign film is already considered for best picture? Was the category of "best foreign film" not put in to honor foreign films? And to put a different perspective on that, would it not be xenophobic in itself to create a category for best foreign film? Why segregate foreign films?zombie wrote:trump parroted sentiments going around among some conservative pundits, that a foreign film doesn't deserve to win best picture, or presumably to even be nominated, because it's a foreign film. you're right actually, it's not racist. it's bigger than that. it's worse.
and none of us have ever argued that way. not even you, until this very thread.
Just asking questions. I don't understand how Trump jabbing the academy awards can garner this much uproar, especially on this site.
Like I said in my last post, I don't really follow the academy awards, so I have no strong feelings one way or the other, just presenting arguments and asking questions. But I'd say if that movieWall-E won best overall picture over something like The Silence of the Lambs or something I'd be like "lolwut?".zombie wrote:do you feel this strongly about best animated film vs. their eligibility as best picture too?Jason wrote:
I might agree entirely with that. But like you said, best foreign picture was put in to give foreign films exposure in America. But when it is considered for best overall picture, wouldn't it almost defeat the purpose of the separate category since it's getting even better exposure by winning the whole shebang?
they've been nominated since at least 2000 with crouching tiger hidden dragon and chocolat, off the top of my head. i'm sure that can't be the first time?Jason wrote:That actually makes sense. I don't follow the awards shows, as you well know, I'm sure. But how long have they been considering foreign films for best overall picture?zombie wrote:we're not segregating foreign films. because they are also eligible for best picture. if the academy were to exclude them from nomination as best picture, that may very well be segregation.Jason wrote:I'm not arguing for, or against, whether or not a foreign film should or shouldn't be considered for best picture. I've simply asked why is there even a category for best foreign film if a foreign film is already considered for best picture? Was the category of "best foreign film" not put in to honor foreign films? And to put a different perspective on that, would it not be xenophobic in itself to create a category for best foreign film? Why segregate foreign films?zombie wrote:trump parroted sentiments going around among some conservative pundits, that a foreign film doesn't deserve to win best picture, or presumably to even be nominated, because it's a foreign film. you're right actually, it's not racist. it's bigger than that. it's worse.
and none of us have ever argued that way. not even you, until this very thread.
Just asking questions. I don't understand how Trump jabbing the academy awards can garner this much uproar, especially on this site.
I tried to like the Descent for you, but I just couldn't get into it. (And dear God I sure hope it didn't win best picture)zombie wrote:also, this "uproar" is just us discussing amongst each other. we also get "uproar" about was it all in sarah's head or were there really cave monsters in the descent? don't make this out to be some big weird occurrence for us to go on and on with a topic! ;p
silence of the lambs and wall-e were decades apart. but up was one of the nominees in the 2009 best picture.Jason wrote:Like I said in my last post, I don't really follow the academy awards, so I have no strong feelings one way or the other, just presenting arguments and asking questions. But I'd say if that movieWall-E won best overall picture over something like The Silence of the Lambs or something I'd be like "lolwut?".zombie wrote:do you feel this strongly about best animated film vs. their eligibility as best picture too?Jason wrote:
I might agree entirely with that. But like you said, best foreign picture was put in to give foreign films exposure in America. But when it is considered for best overall picture, wouldn't it almost defeat the purpose of the separate category since it's getting even better exposure by winning the whole shebang?
I hope that wouldn't make me an animaphobic bigot. :p
you don't have to try to like a movie, for me.Jason wrote:I tried to like the Descent for you, but I just couldn't get into it. (And dear God I sure hope it didn't win best picture)zombie wrote:also, this "uproar" is just us discussing amongst each other. we also get "uproar" about was it all in sarah's head or were there really cave monsters in the descent? don't make this out to be some big weird occurrence for us to go on and on with a topic! ;p
I don't think there was ever a rule against it, they've just been woefully underrepresented historically. The 40s-60s are stacked with some seriously awful shit where foreign films likely should have been rewarded. We've come a long way, in spite of people like Trump spreading ignorant rhetoric.zombie wrote:they've been nominated since at least 2000 with crouching tiger hidden dragon and chocolat, off the top of my head. i'm sure that can't be the first time?Jason wrote:That actually makes sense. I don't follow the awards shows, as you well know, I'm sure. But how long have they been considering foreign films for best overall picture?zombie wrote:we're not segregating foreign films. because they are also eligible for best picture. if the academy were to exclude them from nomination as best picture, that may very well be segregation.Jason wrote:I'm not arguing for, or against, whether or not a foreign film should or shouldn't be considered for best picture. I've simply asked why is there even a category for best foreign film if a foreign film is already considered for best picture? Was the category of "best foreign film" not put in to honor foreign films? And to put a different perspective on that, would it not be xenophobic in itself to create a category for best foreign film? Why segregate foreign films?zombie wrote:trump parroted sentiments going around among some conservative pundits, that a foreign film doesn't deserve to win best picture, or presumably to even be nominated, because it's a foreign film. you're right actually, it's not racist. it's bigger than that. it's worse.
and none of us have ever argued that way. not even you, until this very thread.
Just asking questions. I don't understand how Trump jabbing the academy awards can garner this much uproar, especially on this site.
Up was actually one of the very rare newer animated movies I've seen that I truly enjoyed.zombie wrote:silence of the lambs and wall-e were decades apart. but up was one of the nominees in the 2009 best picture.Jason wrote:Like I said in my last post, I don't really follow the academy awards, so I have no strong feelings one way or the other, just presenting arguments and asking questions. But I'd say if that movieWall-E won best overall picture over something like The Silence of the Lambs or something I'd be like "lolwut?".zombie wrote:do you feel this strongly about best animated film vs. their eligibility as best picture too?Jason wrote:
I might agree entirely with that. But like you said, best foreign picture was put in to give foreign films exposure in America. But when it is considered for best overall picture, wouldn't it almost defeat the purpose of the separate category since it's getting even better exposure by winning the whole shebang?
I hope that wouldn't make me an animaphobic bigot. :p
I'm one of the very few on here who didn't like The Descent anyway so I lose in that regard. :pzombie wrote:you don't have to try to like a movie, for me.Jason wrote:I tried to like the Descent for you, but I just couldn't get into it. (And dear God I sure hope it didn't win best picture)zombie wrote:also, this "uproar" is just us discussing amongst each other. we also get "uproar" about was it all in sarah's head or were there really cave monsters in the descent? don't make this out to be some big weird occurrence for us to go on and on with a topic! ;p
i'm not really as hard headed and full of shit as you sometimes seem to think i am.Jason wrote:That was a productive discussion. Thank you, zomb. Very cool.
I do not think you are hard-headed or full of shit. You are the least hard-headed person on the board.zombie wrote:i'm not really as hard headed and full of shit as you sometimes seem to think i am.Jason wrote:That was a productive discussion. Thank you, zomb. Very cool.
hopefully we can cut through the silly jabs and hyperbole more quickly in future debates.
yeah, i don't think it was ever a rule, just bias and maybe playing into popular tastes for the views and ratings earlier on. we're coming a long way.Headhunter wrote:I don't think there was ever a rule against it, they've just been woefully underrepresented historically. The 40s-60s are stacked with some seriously awful shit where foreign films likely should have been rewarded. We've come a long way, in spite of people like Trump spreading ignorant rhetoric.zombie wrote:
they've been nominated since at least 2000 with crouching tiger hidden dragon and chocolat, off the top of my head. i'm sure that can't be the first time?
City of God in 2002.zombie wrote:yeah, i don't think it was ever a rule, just bias and maybe playing into popular tastes for the views and ratings earlier on. we're coming a long way.Headhunter wrote:I don't think there was ever a rule against it, they've just been woefully underrepresented historically. The 40s-60s are stacked with some seriously awful shit where foreign films likely should have been rewarded. We've come a long way, in spite of people like Trump spreading ignorant rhetoric.zombie wrote:
they've been nominated since at least 2000 with crouching tiger hidden dragon and chocolat, off the top of my head. i'm sure that can't be the first time?
but upon looking over the nominees through the years, i'm gonna be retroactively bitter that amelie got the shaft in 2001.
city of god probably definitely could have beat out chicago, for the win even. (although i do like that film)Headhunter wrote:City of God in 2002.zombie wrote:yeah, i don't think it was ever a rule, just bias and maybe playing into popular tastes for the views and ratings earlier on. we're coming a long way.Headhunter wrote:I don't think there was ever a rule against it, they've just been woefully underrepresented historically. The 40s-60s are stacked with some seriously awful shit where foreign films likely should have been rewarded. We've come a long way, in spite of people like Trump spreading ignorant rhetoric.zombie wrote:
they've been nominated since at least 2000 with crouching tiger hidden dragon and chocolat, off the top of my head. i'm sure that can't be the first time?
but upon looking over the nominees through the years, i'm gonna be retroactively bitter that amelie got the shaft in 2001.
May have to compile a list of sorts here...
Jason wrote:Yup. Bernie losing by 5 votes in Nevada is a dream scenario for me.