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I still think it’s a real shame Warren isn’t the nominee. Love that she has actual policy.

Trump has increased the deficit by 68% in 3 years. Eliminated nothing. What a joke. Where are the Fooconomists spouting outrage at the deficit hikes now. Why isn’t Rand Paul screaming bloody murder?

showa58taro wrote:Trump has increased the deficit by 68% in 3 years. Eliminated nothing. What a joke. Where are the Fooconomists spouting outrage at the deficit hikes now. Why isn’t Rand Paul screaming bloody murder?

Fiscal responsibility is not an issue Republicans care about anymore. Even when they did, it was more hot air than anything else.

But it was tough to ever play that card when you've maintained a global police force that spares no expenses for 75 years.

The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

i don't buy this on the whole. neither that americans are the least xenophobic as a society/culture. nor that taking pride in someone / something from your country or culture being successful proves xenophobia.

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

I don’t sense you Understand the term xenophobia.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

i don't buy this on the whole. neither that americans are the least xenophobic as a society/culture. nor that taking pride in someone / something from your country or culture being successful proves xenophobia.

I also agree, but if "xenophobia" is going to be defined so weakly then it will lead to conversations like that. I love that Croatians love Croatia, that Seb loves his country of Sweden. If Americans love America it is frowned upon.

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

I don’t sense you Understand the term xenophobia.

No, I definitely understand it. But there is a different standard applied to the definition of the word when America or Americans are involved.

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

I don’t sense you Understand the term xenophobia.

No, I definitely understand it. But there is a different standard applied to the definition of the word when America or Americans are involved.

Not here. There is one definition and at no point is it about sports teams support.

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

I don’t sense you Understand the term xenophobia.

No, I definitely understand it. But there is a different standard applied to the definition of the word when America or Americans are involved.

Not here. There is one definition and at no point is it about sports teams support.

Is it xenophobic to build a border wall?

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

I don’t sense you Understand the term xenophobia.

No, I definitely understand it. But there is a different standard applied to the definition of the word when America or Americans are involved.

Not here. There is one definition and at no point is it about sports teams support.

Definitions of many words can easily be interpreted differently. How and where the word applies is never in the definition itself.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

i don't buy this on the whole. neither that americans are the least xenophobic as a society/culture. nor that taking pride in someone / something from your country or culture being successful proves xenophobia.

I also agree, but if "xenophobia" is going to be defined so weakly then it will lead to conversations like that. I love that Croatians love Croatia, that Seb loves his country of Sweden. If Americans love America it is frowned upon.

some frown upon it, sure. but not the majority. and no one here, on hmf, that i'm aware of.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

i don't buy this on the whole. neither that americans are the least xenophobic as a society/culture. nor that taking pride in someone / something from your country or culture being successful proves xenophobia.

I also agree, but if "xenophobia" is going to be defined so weakly then it will lead to conversations like that. I love that Croatians love Croatia, that Seb loves his country of Sweden. If Americans love America it is frowned upon.

some frown upon it, sure. but not the majority. and no one here, on hmf, that i'm aware of.

Would you call it xenophobic for an American to root against a Chinese boxer vs. an American boxer, despite knowing nothing about either one of them aside from nationality?

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

i don't buy this on the whole. neither that americans are the least xenophobic as a society/culture. nor that taking pride in someone / something from your country or culture being successful proves xenophobia.

I also agree, but if "xenophobia" is going to be defined so weakly then it will lead to conversations like that. I love that Croatians love Croatia, that Seb loves his country of Sweden. If Americans love America it is frowned upon.

some frown upon it, sure. but not the majority. and no one here, on hmf, that i'm aware of.

Would you call it xenophobic for an American to root for an American boxer over a Chinese boxer, despite knowing nothing about either one of them?

no, i wouldn't. if that american said that chinese fighter has no worth as a boxer, then there could be a case for xenophobia to be made.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:The weakening of the word "xenophobia" from yesterday's discussion in here got me thinking a little bit about it and I came to the conclusion that Americans are the least "xenophobic" citizens when compared to any nation. Particularly evident with sports. Take a boxing match for example. You could have a British guy vs. an American guy and in America it will always be a mixed opinion on who the American audience is cheering for. Put that same venue in Britain and 100% of the audience is going all in on the British fighter. Seb, for example, will always cheer for the Swedish guy to do well, or the Swedish movie to excel the most, etc... Even in the olympics, every resident in Zagreb is going to be rooting for Croatia. Got to a random bar in America and it'll probably be mostly people rooting for Americans, but you will certainly find people cheering for the other team.

i don't buy this on the whole. neither that americans are the least xenophobic as a society/culture. nor that taking pride in someone / something from your country or culture being successful proves xenophobia.

I also agree, but if "xenophobia" is going to be defined so weakly then it will lead to conversations like that. I love that Croatians love Croatia, that Seb loves his country of Sweden. If Americans love America it is frowned upon.

some frown upon it, sure. but not the majority. and no one here, on hmf, that i'm aware of.

Would you call it xenophobic for an American to root for an American boxer over a Chinese boxer, despite knowing nothing about either one of them?

no, i wouldn't. if that american said that chinese fighter has no worth as a boxer, then there could be a case for xenophobia to be made.

What if the American said the same thing about an American boxer?

Jason wrote:
What if the American said the same thing about an American boxer?

no, that's not xenophobia either. not even a little bit. "xeno" is outside or other. if you're both of the same country and culture, it's not "xeno". but it is anti-american seemingly.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:
What if the American said the same thing about an American boxer?

no, that's not xenophobia either. not even a little bit. "xeno" is outside or other. if you're both of the same country and culture, it's not "xeno". but it is anti-american seemingly.

lol. I wouldn't even call it anti-American. If I get into an argument with a black guy does that make us racist because our skin happens to be a different shade of color?

This is kind of what I meant when I was saying the definition is getting weaker, watered down and applied so loosely. A boxer can receive negative backlash and when it's becomes apparent he is of a different nationality it becomes xenophobic. If the exact same words were used to describe a fighter who happens to be in the same nation, now it's not xenophobic.

The weaker the definition is and how loosely it is applied, the more divided we become.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:
What if the American said the same thing about an American boxer?

no, that's not xenophobia either. not even a little bit. "xeno" is outside or other. if you're both of the same country and culture, it's not "xeno". but it is anti-american seemingly.

lol. I wouldn't even call it anti-American. If I get into an argument with a black guy does that make us racist because our skin happens to be a different shade of color?

This is kind of what I meant when I was saying the definition is getting weaker, watered down and applied so loosely. A boxer can receive negative backlash and when it's becomes apparent he is of a different nationality it becomes xenophobic. If the exact same words were used to describe a fighter who happens to be in the same nation, now it's not xenophobic.

if you're watching a boxer on tv, who is american and you say he's shit because he's american. then that's anti-american seemingly. i feel like you're trying to catch me in a gotcha by starting one premise and then twisting it around, when i give an answer?