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do you think that some could find pride in certain elements, while also acknowledging and condemning the bad and fucked up shit that came alongside that? or is that too much?Headhunter wrote: Southerners have presented a fantasized image of the 19th century South for more than a century. It's lies. Not perspective. Lies.
Certain things like food and customs and such? Of course that's not too much.zombie wrote:do you think that some could find pride in certain elements, while also acknowledging and condemning the bad and fucked up shit that came alongside that? or is that too much?Headhunter wrote: Southerners have presented a fantasized image of the 19th century South for more than a century. It's lies. Not perspective. Lies.
Which nation was Robert E. Lee depicted as serving in the statue? I get that you have to pretend that part is irrelevant to make your point, but yeah.Reign in Blood wrote:I said Robert E. Lee. And nope, you ain't gonna care anyways, remember?Headhunter wrote:You never once thought the Confederate States of America represented hatred and oppression? Expand on that.Reign in Blood wrote:I never once thought Robert E. Lee represented hatred and oppression, sorry for that.Headhunter wrote:And you don't have to share the perspective that ducks are in fact geese. And you're an asshole if you try to tear down that perspective.Reign in Blood wrote:You don't have to share their perspective. IMAGINE THAT!Headhunter wrote:Another thing southerners often gloss over in their history: Reconstruction was a period of unchecked white terrorism against the South's black populace. You'll hear about everything but the terrorism from that era.
They also don't much like to talk about how homeless blacks were rounded up, charged with petty crimes and forced to work on the same plantations they were freed from under even worse conditions in some capacity until the 1940s. So yeah, their "perspective" doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot when they're notorious for dishonestly presenting their own history. So why would I buy the "southern honor defender" line of crap?
Stop pussyfooting around with this "all perspectives matter" crap. They don't, that perspective is spawned from bullshit and fairy tales. Sorry your tolerance for bullshit is so high.
That's my favorite part, actually.Headhunter wrote:Which nation was Robert E. Lee depicted as serving in the statue? I get that you have to pretend that part is irrelevant to make your point, but yeah.Reign in Blood wrote:I said Robert E. Lee. And nope, you ain't gonna care anyways, remember?Headhunter wrote:You never once thought the Confederate States of America represented hatred and oppression? Expand on that.Reign in Blood wrote:I never once thought Robert E. Lee represented hatred and oppression, sorry for that.Headhunter wrote:And you don't have to share the perspective that ducks are in fact geese. And you're an asshole if you try to tear down that perspective.Reign in Blood wrote:You don't have to share their perspective. IMAGINE THAT!Headhunter wrote:Another thing southerners often gloss over in their history: Reconstruction was a period of unchecked white terrorism against the South's black populace. You'll hear about everything but the terrorism from that era.
They also don't much like to talk about how homeless blacks were rounded up, charged with petty crimes and forced to work on the same plantations they were freed from under even worse conditions in some capacity until the 1940s. So yeah, their "perspective" doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot when they're notorious for dishonestly presenting their own history. So why would I buy the "southern honor defender" line of crap?
Stop pussyfooting around with this "all perspectives matter" crap. They don't, that perspective is spawned from bullshit and fairy tales. Sorry your tolerance for bullshit is so high.
Only for you, bro.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
Well, me, history, and all those Nazis and white supremacists who came out in force to protest it being taken down.Reign in Blood wrote:Only for you, bro.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
Dude, I've been battling intellectual gymnastics in here from the time Foo decided this was all genuinely about a statue. Just one absurd deflection after another in this thread.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
If it helps I'm with you. It's harder to pretend this is about a military general devoid of any historical context than to just admit it's a relic that needs removing and that those out in force are racist scum.Headhunter wrote:Dude, I've been battling intellectual gymnastics in here from the time Foo decided this was all genuinely about a statue. Just one absurd deflection after another in this thread.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
what that statue inspires in supremacists should not be tolerated or brushed under the rug. it should be met with contempt and calling them out for their shit.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
But we're supposed to afford the "southern honor defenders" some moral high ground here while they allowed Klansmen and Nazis to join their groups. :oops:showa58taro wrote:If it helps I'm with you. It's harder to pretend this is about a military general devoid of any historical context than to just admit it's a relic that needs removing and that those out in force are racist scum.Headhunter wrote:Dude, I've been battling intellectual gymnastics in here from the time Foo decided this was all genuinely about a statue. Just one absurd deflection after another in this thread.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
Pretty sure that's why there were counterprotesters there. To make that point. Before they got run over by a car anyway.zombie wrote:what that statue inspires in supremacists should not be tolerated or brushed under the rug. it should be met with contempt and calling them out for their shit.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
as the one you've primarily been arguing with, i can say nope, nope, nope.Headhunter wrote:Dude, I've been battling intellectual gymnastics in here from the time Foo decided this was all genuinely about a statue. Just one absurd deflection after another in this thread.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.
I would have liked to see all the statues removed in the 60s. I still can't believe they've survived as long as they did.Reign in Blood wrote:So it just an evolution thing? His statue has been up for how long and now all the sudden it's a big fuckin' deal to you SJWs?
All your arguments have collapsed on themselves one by one by one, so now just call us SJWs. It's coo.Reign in Blood wrote:So it just an evolution thing? His statue has been up for how long and now all the sudden it's a big fuckin' deal to you SJWs?
i never condemned counter protesters. i think protest is important. and whoever hit them with the car should be punished.showa58taro wrote:Pretty sure that's why there were counterprotesters there. To make that point. Before they got run over by a car anyway.zombie wrote:what that statue inspires in supremacists should not be tolerated or brushed under the rug. it should be met with contempt and calling them out for their shit.showa58taro wrote:10/10 maximum points on these intellectual gymnastics. Such contortions to avoid admitting a statue of Robert E Lee brought out White Supremacists because it's a symbol of the Slavery obsessed South. Not him as a person, but that statue is exactly that. Nothing less.