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Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:25 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:The more interesting part to me when two entities like the NFL and Nike being so huge, and tied hand in glove, how does one go against the other?
10 more years on that deal, baby. That Texans owner McNair is gonna send a strongly worded letter to them and they're gonna send him his color rush jersey options for Thursday night games. NFL can't do shit.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:27 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
No tangible effect on the real world. Oye. Let's not do any of those things, like praying. Kissing a sick loved ones head at night. Kill fucking hope itself while you are at it. Symbolic gestures mean more than maybe you think they mean, but that's a belief, no real tangible effect.
I mean...yes? You're right, these things aren't tangible even if they mean something to you. Can you pray for a new tax bill? I know standing for a song doesn't really do a lot for the insanely high population of homeless vets.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:30 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:32 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:42 pm
by Jason
Forcing coversations the entire U.S. is talking about daily. Ok...
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:45 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Forcing coversations the entire U.S. is talking about daily. Ok...
The entire U.S.? Please. Most of you just ignore it. Kaep's brilliance was taking away people's "escape from reality" option. Now the people who run away from these conversations can't avoid it. Note that this is
always how protests have functioned historically.
Of course it's become all muddled along the way due to a lot of the right (consciously) running interference by focusing on the forum rather than the message.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:47 pm
by Jason
Ya boi Kaep thought it would be cute to kneel and wear pig socks during practice because he's better at that stuff than playing QB. The blowback was massive, so he was forced into doing community shit. Now his new approach is accusing the NFL of hating blacks because he can't get a job. Real productive conversations you're creating here, Kraep!
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:47 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:48 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Forcing coversations the entire U.S. is talking about daily. Ok...
The entire U.S.? Please. Most of you just ignore it. Kaep's brilliance-
Lmao. Just stop right there. Lol
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:51 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Nah, I'll buy the effects of religion. Can change individual lives, can inspire charitable efforts. That's all great. But see, that's all rooted in people doing non-symbolic things in the real world, inspired by their faith. You're not going to pray away problems that need to be dealt with through policy change though, and similarly, you're not going to stand up and help veterans/current military personnel.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:51 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Forcing coversations the entire U.S. is talking about daily. Ok...
The entire U.S.? Please. Most of you just ignore it. Kaep's brilliance-
Lmao. Just stop right there. Lol
No. You can stop if you want. The adults will continue, however.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:56 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Nah, I'll buy the effects of religion. Can change individual lives, can inspire charitable efforts. That's all great. But see, that's all rooted in people doing non-symbolic things in the real world, inspired by their faith. You're not going to pray away problems that need to be dealt with through policy change though, and similarly, you're not going to stand up and help veterans/current military personnel.
So using a common church activity like kneeling is doing that. I'm not gonna pray away anything but Kaep kneeling and sitting on his ass no doing shit is the tits. Got it.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:57 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Nah, I'll buy the effects of religion. Can change individual lives, can inspire charitable efforts. That's all great. But see, that's all rooted in people doing non-symbolic things in the real world, inspired by their faith. You're not going to pray away problems that need to be dealt with through policy change though, and similarly, you're not going to stand up and help veterans/current military personnel.
So using a common church activity like kneeling is doing that. I'm not gonna pray away anything but Kaep kneeling and sitting on his ass no doing shit is the tits. Got it.
Define "not doing shit".
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:03 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Nah, I'll buy the effects of religion. Can change individual lives, can inspire charitable efforts. That's all great. But see, that's all rooted in people doing non-symbolic things in the real world, inspired by their faith. You're not going to pray away problems that need to be dealt with through policy change though, and similarly, you're not going to stand up and help veterans/current military personnel.
So using a common church activity like kneeling is doing that. I'm not gonna pray away anything but Kaep kneeling and sitting on his ass no doing shit is the tits. Got it.
Define "not doing shit".
Like J said, can the motherfucker even jog anymore?
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:05 pm
by Headhunter
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:07 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Nah, I'll buy the effects of religion. Can change individual lives, can inspire charitable efforts. That's all great. But see, that's all rooted in people doing non-symbolic things in the real world, inspired by their faith. You're not going to pray away problems that need to be dealt with through policy change though, and similarly, you're not going to stand up and help veterans/current military personnel.
So using a common church activity like kneeling is doing that. I'm not gonna pray away anything but Kaep kneeling and sitting on his ass no doing shit is the tits. Got it.
Define "not doing shit".
Like J said, can the motherfucker even jog anymore?
Who cares if he can't play? I have no doubt he can, but he clearly is done playing ball and has embraced his new path. Nike even gave him a bag for it, so good for him.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:09 pm
by Reign in Blood
God damnit all, we're in the sports section, what's he done for any team?
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:14 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:God damnit all, we're in the sports section, what's he done for any team?
Took the 49ers to a Super Bowl plus another deep playoff run? Elway wanted him just a couple years ago. The NFL won't take him back after the protests, but he's definitely productive enough to be in the league. That's never been in question.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:14 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Headhunter wrote:Foo wrote:Jmac Attack wrote:Foo wrote:Is Nike gonna make the Pig Cop socks? I am sure they will sell huge among their idiot demographic.
The Pig Cop socks really hurt his message. Not cool at all. But he did seek the help of military personnel to see how he can protest and still respect officers and law enforcement. Pig socks were immature.....admitting a mistake is what people should do.
Sorry, he got caught telling the truth about how he really feels. You are telling me a lot if those people he sought the "help" from did not tell him to stand during the anthem and use his fame to speak up about injustice in other ways? I call bullshit.
You've said you think cops are dicks. Not sure where "pigs" and "dicks" measure on a disrespect scale, but your outrage is goofy and forced.
Yet, I stand. Some cops being dicks and parts of the system being rigged does not trigger me to disrespect those who have died to defend all that we have and all that is good.
We stand in unity. If we all sat in every protest we have, no one would be standing. Division over the 1% of things we disagree on rather than unity over the 99% we agree on would rule. We do not stand in agreement that we have reached perfection. We stand in agreement that where ever we go, it will be together and to respect the sacrifices of those who made it all possible.
So the difference is you uphold a symbolic gesture that has no tangible effect on the real world. Okay?
I stand because in that moment, it is not about me. And our unity has had quite a tangible effect in shaping the world. America's chief export has been culture.
Sorry, just don't care much about symbolic gestures. I care about action. Results. Things you can measure.
Kaep's protest has probably been the most useful thing America has gotten out of the anthem in quite a while. It forced conversations people desperately wanted to avoid, and clearly still want to avoid given the way they shape the conversation as "protesting the anthem" rather than "protesting police brutality". A lot more interesting than people scurrying to get beers and hot dogs before kickoff. Really, we shouldn't even have the anthem at these events. It's goofy and the military ends up footing the bill. What a waste.
Lol. If you didn't care about symbolic gestures you wouldn't be rooting for Kaepernick to bury the NFL over kneeling for some "symbolic gesture".
Forcing conversations that make Americans uncomfortable, inspiring athletes to take active roles in their communities and lobby for political changes. Tangible.
And the effect of religion is not tangible? And ain't nothing got more symbolic gestures. You kneel in church too, but not to disrespect. Usually to blow the priest, I know, but still.
Nah, I'll buy the effects of religion. Can change individual lives, can inspire charitable efforts. That's all great. But see, that's all rooted in people doing non-symbolic things in the real world, inspired by their faith. You're not going to pray away problems that need to be dealt with through policy change though, and similarly, you're not going to stand up and help veterans/current military personnel.
So using a common church activity like kneeling is doing that. I'm not gonna pray away anything but Kaep kneeling and sitting on his ass no doing shit is the tits. Got it.
Define "not doing shit".
Like J said, can the motherfucker even jog anymore?
Who cares if he can't play? I have no doubt he can, but he clearly is done playing ball and has embraced his new path. Nike even gave him a bag for it, so good for him.
ORLY? An athlete that hasn't done a fucking thing for any team. The new reality, getting praised for doing jack shit for what you work for.
Re: NFL 2018: From the Draft to the Super Bowl
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:15 pm
by Jason
Good thing for the backlash he got. Otherwise all he'd still be doing is going through more edgy sock changes than Justin Trudeau. Cool way to throw away a milion dollars, though.