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Headhunter wrote:I will gladly take Disney's money to go see movies, FWIW.

As in they have people buying seats ahead of time, but no one shows up.

But true, I'd show up if they paid for me to see something.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:This is what mainstream leftists do, man. I am in the know with this shit. It's crazy. Didn't think box offices would be manipulated, though. This all stems from Brie Larson bringing identity politics into movie proportion.

i know why people are claiming that the boxoffice has to be bought off. some people aren't happy with brie larson, so they don't want the film to do well. it's not enough that they don't like it or don't want to see it, everyone else has to too, or else disney is manipulating it. that is some serious ego.

It's beyond just claims, though.

then it's a major story that can be checked and verified. that's what i've asked for all along. show me?

Found one on the story that didn't get deleted. Features the same information, and even more follow up tweets.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/ ... ntroversy/

those are still claims. "anonymous theater owner", "a theater owner friend" and all that, but we can entertain it. so he said 20-30 empty seats per showing (of a 200-300 seat average). so that looks like 10% of the seats, give or take.

$153 mil opening weekend. 10% of which is $15mil (if i did it right. ) so if you want to say that that percentage was nationwide, the opening weekend would be $138 mil. so $772mil instead of $910 mil, worldwide as of now (estimated) in the third weekend. is that not a major success even if you entertain the conspiracy theory to it's most extreme?

Of course it's just claims, you think Disney's going to admit it? Even if it's just a small averages that you're figuring, it's still awfully fishy in the first place.

The same weekend, it got leaked that some professional critics admitted Disney's been paying them for favorable reviews too.

disney shouldn't have to admit to it. if it was actually happening, seems like that would be serious fraud and an investigation would be in the works.

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

Headhunter wrote:Surprised you are not a big Guardians fan tbh. It seems like one you would have loved.

Also, the new Spider-Man movie totally slipped my mind. Haven't seen it. Into the Spider-Verse was really cool though.

i feel like i really should have loved guardians too. all of james gunn's other stuff (after troma) is really cool. it's weird.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:This is what mainstream leftists do, man. I am in the know with this shit. It's crazy. Didn't think box offices would be manipulated, though. This all stems from Brie Larson bringing identity politics into movie proportion.

i know why people are claiming that the boxoffice has to be bought off. some people aren't happy with brie larson, so they don't want the film to do well. it's not enough that they don't like it or don't want to see it, everyone else has to too, or else disney is manipulating it. that is some serious ego.

It's beyond just claims, though.

then it's a major story that can be checked and verified. that's what i've asked for all along. show me?

Found one on the story that didn't get deleted. Features the same information, and even more follow up tweets.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/ ... ntroversy/

those are still claims. "anonymous theater owner", "a theater owner friend" and all that, but we can entertain it. so he said 20-30 empty seats per showing (of a 200-300 seat average). so that looks like 10% of the seats, give or take.

$153 mil opening weekend. 10% of which is $15mil (if i did it right. ) so if you want to say that that percentage was nationwide, the opening weekend would be $138 mil. so $772mil instead of $910 mil, worldwide as of now (estimated) in the third weekend. is that not a major success even if you entertain the conspiracy theory to it's most extreme?

Of course it's just claims, you think Disney's going to admit it? Even if it's just a small averages that you're figuring, it's still awfully fishy in the first place.

The same weekend, it got leaked that some professional critics admitted Disney's been paying them for favorable reviews too.

disney should have to admit to it. if it was actually happening, seems like that would be serious fraud and an investigation would be in the works.

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

That would assume they're being honest. Big corporate business: hardly ever honest. Hell, we're in a country where the President is all about dishonest business lol. They got the muscle to bury stories.

Both are likely.

Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

Probably wouldn't count as fraud since tickets are bought anyway with real money. Would be fraud if they're busted fudging the numbers though. I haven't heard any of that.

After 3 weeks, I still stand with my B- grade. Still just above average to me, which is slightly better than what the trailers looked like.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:After 3 weeks, I still stand with my B- grade. Still just above average to me, which is slightly better than what the trailers looked like.

I would go with a solid B and I had somewhat low expectations. In fairness that's mostly because I knew nothing about the character so it was going to have to work for my interest.

Headhunter wrote:Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

I didn't think it was that heavy handed either. I think it's more to do with Brie in real life, than what's on screen.

If anything, I thought the "help the immigrants/they're not as bad as the authorities say" (in spite of in the comics, I know the Skrulls can get really fucking bad lol) thing was more heavy handed, but not enough to kill the movie.

If you're thinking of the No Doubt song, I thought that was a pretty dorky scene.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:This is what mainstream leftists do, man. I am in the know with this shit. It's crazy. Didn't think box offices would be manipulated, though. This all stems from Brie Larson bringing identity politics into movie proportion.

i know why people are claiming that the boxoffice has to be bought off. some people aren't happy with brie larson, so they don't want the film to do well. it's not enough that they don't like it or don't want to see it, everyone else has to too, or else disney is manipulating it. that is some serious ego.

It's beyond just claims, though.

then it's a major story that can be checked and verified. that's what i've asked for all along. show me?

Found one on the story that didn't get deleted. Features the same information, and even more follow up tweets.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/ ... ntroversy/

those are still claims. "anonymous theater owner", "a theater owner friend" and all that, but we can entertain it. so he said 20-30 empty seats per showing (of a 200-300 seat average). so that looks like 10% of the seats, give or take.

$153 mil opening weekend. 10% of which is $15mil (if i did it right. ) so if you want to say that that percentage was nationwide, the opening weekend would be $138 mil. so $772mil instead of $910 mil, worldwide as of now (estimated) in the third weekend. is that not a major success even if you entertain the conspiracy theory to it's most extreme?

Of course it's just claims, you think Disney's going to admit it? Even if it's just a small averages that you're figuring, it's still awfully fishy in the first place.

The same weekend, it got leaked that some professional critics admitted Disney's been paying them for favorable reviews too.

disney should have to admit to it. if it was actually happening, seems like that would be serious fraud and an investigation would be in the works.

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

That would assume they're being honest. Big corporate business: hardly ever honest. Hell, we're in a country where the President is all about dishonest business lol. They got the muscle to bury stories.

Both are likely.

fair enough. you have the mind that captain marvel sucks, so the tickets may be inflated. i'm not of the mindset that my interest in a movie has to be reflected in the boxoffice and/or rottentomatoes, or else shenanigans! *shrug*

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:This actually might be more serious than we thought. You guys remember recently when 50 Cent bought a bunch of tickets to a Ja Rule show just to leave the seats empty because he hates him? Now that was some pretty good trolling. But imagine if it was Ja Rule who bought his own tickets.. just to leave them empty. The depths of dysfunction and sadness one must be in.

so 50cent wanted to spite jarule, by buying seats.. turn that to this situation. the guys upset at brie larson bought the seats to spite her movie. depths of dysfunction, indeed.

Wait, seriously? People can't actually be that stupid, can they?

My god.

No, Zombs is trying to twist it that way, when it's implied the other way around to combat the reddit/4chan type trolls trying to tank it.

Zombs spins more than an Uzumaki.

Disney and the 4chan/Reddit mobs are both giant turd empires with sorry histories of behavior and ethics, but at least Disney has some history of positive output to the world.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:This is what mainstream leftists do, man. I am in the know with this shit. It's crazy. Didn't think box offices would be manipulated, though. This all stems from Brie Larson bringing identity politics into movie proportion.

i know why people are claiming that the boxoffice has to be bought off. some people aren't happy with brie larson, so they don't want the film to do well. it's not enough that they don't like it or don't want to see it, everyone else has to too, or else disney is manipulating it. that is some serious ego.

It's beyond just claims, though.

then it's a major story that can be checked and verified. that's what i've asked for all along. show me?

Found one on the story that didn't get deleted. Features the same information, and even more follow up tweets.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/ ... ntroversy/

those are still claims. "anonymous theater owner", "a theater owner friend" and all that, but we can entertain it. so he said 20-30 empty seats per showing (of a 200-300 seat average). so that looks like 10% of the seats, give or take.

$153 mil opening weekend. 10% of which is $15mil (if i did it right. ) so if you want to say that that percentage was nationwide, the opening weekend would be $138 mil. so $772mil instead of $910 mil, worldwide as of now (estimated) in the third weekend. is that not a major success even if you entertain the conspiracy theory to it's most extreme?

Of course it's just claims, you think Disney's going to admit it? Even if it's just a small averages that you're figuring, it's still awfully fishy in the first place.

The same weekend, it got leaked that some professional critics admitted Disney's been paying them for favorable reviews too.

disney should have to admit to it. if it was actually happening, seems like that would be serious fraud and an investigation would be in the works.

what's more likely? disney buying tickets and no one caring enough to check into it officially. or a bunch of mad twitter users and youtubers floating a story that disney is buying tickets?

That would assume they're being honest. Big corporate business: hardly ever honest. Hell, we're in a country where the President is all about dishonest business lol. They got the muscle to bury stories.

Both are likely.

fair enough. you have the mind that captain marvel sucks, so the tickets may be inflated. i'm not of the mindset that my interest in a movie has to be reflected in the boxoffice and/or rottentomatoes, or else shenanigans! *shrug*

B- does not indicate suck, this is not Rotten Tomatoes!

And I did note that my theatre had plenty of empty seats on it opening weekend. I just can't confirm if they were bought because I don't work there. And it's not a hole-in the wall theatre, it was a Regal with fancy recliner seats. I'd say it was more packed for Liam Neeson's Cold Pursuit at the same theatre.

Headhunter wrote:Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

the gripe is not primarily about the movie, but about brie larson outside of the movie. she made comments that they took to be sexist, it started up before the film had been released wide.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

the gripe is not primarily about the movie, but about brie larson outside of the movie. she made comments that they took to be sexist, it started up before the film had been released wide.

Again, these are extremely insecure men who need hobbies.

What was the reasoning for tanking The Last Jedi? I can't even remember.

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

the gripe is not primarily about the movie, but about brie larson outside of the movie. she made comments that they took to be sexist, it started up before the film had been released wide.

Again, these are extremely insecure men who need hobbies.

What was the reasoning for tanking The Last Jedi? I can't even remember.

They can't stand a female force user doing the basic parlor tricks with little training, but totally accept the blue eyed blonde haired farmboy to have no training and bend a laser 90 degrees in mid air to go down a near impossible target

The Last Jedi complaints were pretty pathetic. Comparing the asian girl to Jar Jar Binks when they're nothing alike, still pissed off there was a black stormtrooper, Leia using the force (even though as far back as Empire revealed she had some kind of force sensitivity...and it's not like her own twin brother wouldn't show her how to use it during 30 years), and Luke losing faith in what the Jedi stood for (which wound up aligning with a lot of my feelings, they weren't what he thought they'd be, when they turned out to be strict policing assholes). What's funny is that George Lucas even admitted that was the direction he planned Luke to go in anyway, in spite of Mark Hamill's shock of it all. The whiners also hated that Rey didn't get a specific lineage, they hated that *she* came from nothing and not a famous bloodline (may be retconned now because there was so much blowback, luckily it was written that Kylo could've been lying to her so it's not inconsistent).

The only complaint I concede on, after rewatches, is that it's not a fun rewatch. I loved, initially that Luke's talk about failure, and showing failure through heros' action on screen, and I still appreciate it because it's different, but....on rewatches it's just too much fail character decisions clumped in a short time span, makes it a hurdle.

If they buy the tickets then it’s largely just circular cash flow plus keeping cinemas in the black. Not really Fraud unless you’re looking at cinema attendance as a KPI. But that
Seems a total nonsense to me. Not saying there can’t be folks missing who paid, but there’s no real incentive to increase the sales for Marvel in this case with Captain Marvel clearly being set up for the Avengers Endgame film which no ranking/bombing was going to stop.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also I don't know what the men's rights army would have to be upset about. It's not really heavy-handed in its portrayal of feminism at all, with the possible exception being one scene with an accompanying song (which actually worked really well IMO and was one of the better scenes in the movie). These are some of the most insecure people out there and they need to find more fulfilling hobbies.

the gripe is not primarily about the movie, but about brie larson outside of the movie. she made comments that they took to be sexist, it started up before the film had been released wide.

Again, these are extremely insecure men who need hobbies.

What was the reasoning for tanking The Last Jedi? I can't even remember.

They can't stand a female force user doing the basic parlor tricks with little training, but totally accept the blue eyed blonde haired farmboy to have no training and bend a laser 90 degrees in mid air to go down a near impossible target

The Last Jedi complaints were pretty pathetic. Comparing the asian girl to Jar Jar Binks when they're nothing alike, still pissed off there was a black stormtrooper, Leia using the force (even though as far back as Empire revealed she had some kind of force sensitivity...and it's not like her own twin brother wouldn't show her how to use it during 30 years), and Luke losing faith in what the Jedi stood for (which wound up aligning with a lot of my feelings, they weren't what he thought they'd be, when they turned out to be strict policing assholes). What's funny is that George Lucas even admitted that was the direction he planned Luke to go in anyway, in spite of Mark Hamill's shock of it all. The whiners also hated that Rey didn't get a specific lineage, they hated that *she* came from nothing and not a famous bloodline (may be retconned now because there was so much blowback, luckily it was written that Kylo could've been lying to her so it's not inconsistent).

The only complaint I concede on, after rewatches, is that it's not a fun rewatch. I loved, initially that Luke's talk about failure, and showing failure through heros' action on screen, and I still appreciate it because it's different, but....on rewatches it's just too much fail character decisions clumped in a short time span, makes it a hurdle.

The whole "forcing minority roles" argument I always hear makes no sense to me and just seems like a cover. I mean, what would constitute not forcing these roles?

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
B- does not indicate suck, this is not Rotten Tomatoes!

And I did note that my theatre had plenty of empty seats on it opening weekend. I just can't confirm if they were bought because I don't work there. And it's not a hole-in the wall theatre, it was a Regal with fancy recliner seats. I'd say it was more packed for Liam Neeson's Cold Pursuit at the same theatre.

b- seems like it would be in the ballpark of 78%-62% (the rt critic and user rating for capmarvel) so maybe you are reflected more than i thought in the (manipulated) scores.

I haven't rewatched The Last Jedi but I did find it to be a strange viewing. I still enjoyed it but everything just felt a little off.