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Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I am pointing out liberal beliefs that undermine small business. Ignorance of unintended consequence by social justice warrios and control freaks who hurt the little guy they claim to be standing up for.

the way you started the thread, it seemed to be specifically about how government, specifically liberal government based on your bias, acts to undermine and knock down small business.

if it is about ideas by non-politicians that is what you really have a problem with, then let's talk about that?

It is all interconnected. From Occupy Wall street, to Black Lives Matter, to the SJW snowflake, to the liberal politician, to the liberal agenda they follow.

There is an irony to big tent politics. The Occupy guy and the BLM guy work to put the guy into office who makes it impossible for the poor black guy to start a business.

you probably consider me to be an sjw snowflake. how am i destroying small business? go on.

It would not take much to talk you into big minimum wage hikes, for instance.

Would not take much to talk you into hiring/firing policies that are difficult for smaller companies to comply with.

Would not take much to talk you into energy policies and taxes that are tougher for small businesses to comply with.

Just examples.

Zombie, if you find a commercial property and want to sell hot dogs there, how much should the government ask of you?

Foo wrote:It would not take much to talk you into big minimum wage hikes, for instance.

Would not take much to talk you into hiring/firing policies that are difficult for smaller companies to comply with.

Would not take much to talk you into energy policies and taxes that are tougher for small businesses to comply with.

Just examples.

yeah, minimum wage is something that should keep up with cost of living.

what hiring and firing policies? be specific?

i don't know how pro-tax and energy policy, i would be. but you can be more specific with that too.

Foo wrote:Zombie, if you find a commercial property and want to sell hot dogs there, how much should the government ask of you?

whatever they would ask of other small businesses of your type and size in that area. i don't know?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:It would not take much to talk you into big minimum wage hikes, for instance.

Would not take much to talk you into hiring/firing policies that are difficult for smaller companies to comply with.

Would not take much to talk you into energy policies and taxes that are tougher for small businesses to comply with.

Just examples.

yeah, minimum wage is something that should keep up with cost of living.

what hiring and firing policies? be specific?

i don't know how pro-tax and energy policy, i would be. but you can be more specific with that too.

Should employers be able to fire an employee for any reason? If there is a union at the job, should a person be able to accept a wage below the union minimum and not join the union?

Do you believe in inheritance taxes?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Zombie, if you find a commercial property and want to sell hot dogs there, how much should the government ask of you?

whatever they would ask of other small businesses of your type and size in that area. i don't know?

Ugh. you see what I mean?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:It would not take much to talk you into big minimum wage hikes, for instance.

Would not take much to talk you into hiring/firing policies that are difficult for smaller companies to comply with.

Would not take much to talk you into energy policies and taxes that are tougher for small businesses to comply with.

Just examples.

yeah, minimum wage is something that should keep up with cost of living.

what hiring and firing policies? be specific?

i don't know how pro-tax and energy policy, i would be. but you can be more specific with that too.

Should employers be able to fire an employee for any reason? If there is a union at the job, should a person be able to accept a wage below the union minimum and not join the union?

Do you believe in inheritance taxes?

if the employee is not living up to his promise, then the employer should be able to fire him. if it's just on a whim, i don't think so. but that's probably within the right? are you not able to fire a bad employee or something?

if the individual chooses not to join the union. chances are that they won't be able to work that job. but i think it should be their choice, if they want to be fucked over or not.

as in if it was a family business passed down to you? i think that's unnecessary.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Zombie, if you find a commercial property and want to sell hot dogs there, how much should the government ask of you?

whatever they would ask of other small businesses of your type and size in that area. i don't know?

Ugh. you see what I mean?

yeah, i guess so. i'll leave you to your rant. blow off all of the steam that you want.

This is not about me. there is so much hedging going on with your answers.

Do you believe in inheritance taxes? It is a yes or no, and then you can follow with an explanation.

hedging because i don't have a strong opinion on this, and am not nearly as informed as you are, because you have a business. i don't.

i don't agree with inheritance tax. it's passing a burden from another person to you, as a living relative or something.

zombie wrote:hedging because i don't have a strong opinion on this, and am not nearly as informed as you are, because you have a business. i don't.

i don't agree with inheritance tax. it's passing a burden from another person to you, as a living relative or something.

Ultimately, it saddens me because I hear the stories ALL THE TIME. People trying to do what others have done in the past to start small businesses, but are blocked by government.

The reason I use hot dogs as an example, is because they are so low risk. If you can boil water, and are selling them in the right place to do commerce, they should allow it. It should not be cost prohibitive.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:hedging because i don't have a strong opinion on this, and am not nearly as informed as you are, because you have a business. i don't.

i don't agree with inheritance tax. it's passing a burden from another person to you, as a living relative or something.

Ultimately, it saddens me because I hear the stories ALL THE TIME. People trying to do what others have done in the past to start small businesses, but are blocked by government.

The reason I use hot dogs as an example, is because they are so low risk. If you can boil water, and are selling them in the right place to do commerce, they should allow it. It should not be cost prohibitive.

there is a lot going against workers, and potential workers, definitely. it bites. but big business likes to force out competition and increase their own profit at any way they can. politicians are a means to that end.

Foo, you have some strange hang ups. Hot dogs are still food. I don't think it's too much to ask that you comply with the basic health and safety that food requires and that you get yourself in order. 90% of what you wrote sounded like it was needed and helpful to me, the consumer, and to the vendor, to ensure compliance with laws and regulations. The contravention of which will see them closed down as a business and be forced to pay penalties and fines.

The minimum wage is about protecting the worker who can't even get close to their own business. If you're lucky enough to be in a position to have or to start a business then it's fair to build in that you pay workers a fair wage that enables them to meet their obligations. The current level is too low to do that. Simple as. That's not against businesses. Businesses should be operating in a way that is ok for their staff as well as their customers. Which all your gripes counteract.

showa58taro wrote:The minimum wage is about protecting the worker who can't even get close to their own business. If you're lucky enough to be in a position to have or to start a business then it's fair to build in that you pay workers a fair wage that enables them to meet their obligations. The current level is too low to do that. Simple as. That's not against businesses. Businesses should be operating in a way that is ok for their staff as well as their customers. Which all your gripes counteract.

What about opportunity for both parties? The person who is unproven, especially as minimum wage rises, is shut out. McDonalds knows what it can pay and what a specific task entails. Your local burger place may not know because they are starting out.

Most minimum wage employees are unproven, and the main value of that job is experience, not supporting a family. Raising minimum wage denies opportunity. Same goes for laws that make hiring and firing difficult.

showa58taro wrote:Foo, you have some strange hang ups. Hot dogs are still food. I don't think it's too much to ask that you comply with the basic health and safety that food requires and that you get yourself in order. 90% of what you wrote sounded like it was needed and helpful to me, the consumer, and to the vendor, to ensure compliance with laws and regulations. The contravention of which will see them closed down as a business and be forced to pay penalties and fines.

Again, I am looking at people who cannot afford to overcome burdensome regulations. For a long time, the food business was one where a person with almost no money could find success. That is changing because of regulations.

Hot dogs, pizza, tacos, etc. Cheap, safe food served in little shops, sometimes in the back of other stores or even right on the street. Many times by immigrants because they had the skills but not the language skills to do other things.

How much regulation is required to have someone plop a hot dog into hot water or on a grill? It makes me angry when I hear someone doesn't have the money to start a business, but then you go to the high school sports games and see hundreds of people being served hot dogs and hamburgers by volunteers. Amazing how they look the other way when they want to.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Foo, you have some strange hang ups. Hot dogs are still food. I don't think it's too much to ask that you comply with the basic health and safety that food requires and that you get yourself in order. 90% of what you wrote sounded like it was needed and helpful to me, the consumer, and to the vendor, to ensure compliance with laws and regulations. The contravention of which will see them closed down as a business and be forced to pay penalties and fines.

Again, I am looking at people who cannot afford to overcome burdensome regulations. For a long time, the food business was one where a person with almost no money could find success. That is changing because of regulations.

Hot dogs, pizza, tacos, etc. Cheap, safe food served in little shops, sometimes in the back of other stores or even right on the street. Many times by immigrants because they had the skills but not the language skills to do other things.

How much regulation is required to have someone plop a hot dog into hot water or on a grill? It makes me angry when I hear someone doesn't have the money to start a business, but then you go to the high school sports games and see hundreds of people being served hot dogs and hamburgers by volunteers. Amazing how they look the other way when they want to.

Then they need to work harder, not look to the government to bail them out with exceptions and special flavours. You didn't get to where you are by breaking laws and cutting corners. Why should they?

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The minimum wage is about protecting the worker who can't even get close to their own business. If you're lucky enough to be in a position to have or to start a business then it's fair to build in that you pay workers a fair wage that enables them to meet their obligations. The current level is too low to do that. Simple as. That's not against businesses. Businesses should be operating in a way that is ok for their staff as well as their customers. Which all your gripes counteract.

What about opportunity for both parties? The person who is unproven, especially as minimum wage rises, is shut out. McDonalds knows what it can pay and what a specific task entails. Your local burger place may not know because they are starting out.

Most minimum wage employees are unproven, and the main value of that job is experience, not supporting a family. Raising minimum wage denies opportunity. Same goes for laws that make hiring and firing difficult.

The rise of the minimum wage has no bearing on the need for existing work.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The minimum wage is about protecting the worker who can't even get close to their own business. If you're lucky enough to be in a position to have or to start a business then it's fair to build in that you pay workers a fair wage that enables them to meet their obligations. The current level is too low to do that. Simple as. That's not against businesses. Businesses should be operating in a way that is ok for their staff as well as their customers. Which all your gripes counteract.

What about opportunity for both parties? The person who is unproven, especially as minimum wage rises, is shut out. McDonalds knows what it can pay and what a specific task entails. Your local burger place may not know because they are starting out.

Most minimum wage employees are unproven, and the main value of that job is experience, not supporting a family. Raising minimum wage denies opportunity. Same goes for laws that make hiring and firing difficult.

The rise of the minimum wage has no bearing on the need for existing work.

You don't think the cost of labor is part of the hiring decision? It is.