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showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

How about, you shouldn't be looking through all my private photos under the guise of looking for child porn?

All the privacy rights people have don't go out the window because child porn is a thing.

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

if you have to use "so, you support child pornography?" to defend your argument, maybe it's already on shaky ground?

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

if you have to use "so, you support child pornography?" to defend your argument, maybe it's already on shaky ground?

Moral crusades have been used to justify anything and everything in the past. Times change, people don't.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

How about, you shouldn't be looking through all my private photos under the guise of looking for child porn?

All the privacy rights people have don't go out the window because child porn is a thing.

But only action arises when illegal stuff is found and that’s the only thing that matters.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

How about, you shouldn't be looking through all my private photos under the guise of looking for child porn?

All the privacy rights people have don't go out the window because child porn is a thing.

But only action arises when illegal stuff is found and that’s the only thing that matters.

So people can spy on you, look at all your private photos, and conduct searches on any citizen they want, and it is all good as long as they don't arrest you if nothing is found?

Is it cool if companies start searching your computers for music, movies, and games to make sure you have no illegal downloads?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

if you have to use "so, you support child pornography?" to defend your argument, maybe it's already on shaky ground?

Moral crusades have been used to justify anything and everything in the past. Times change, people don't.

what you and i are doing could be argued as a moral crusade, just as easily.

Foo wrote:Let's look at another scenario. The movie studios make a deal with your internet provider to report any copyright violations to them. Because you agreed to a lengthy document with your ISP that says you will not use your computer in illegal ways, it is all fair game? In fact, they can run deep searches of your computer just to make sure. Don't worry, they will ignore the pictures of your wife and kids, they are just after the illegal stuff.

That actually is a thing and it's why I don't do Comcast for internet. Though I don't know if they can scan your hard drive or not, they do report any such downloads or watching online to entertainment companies.

Be aware of the policies and spend your money elsewhere if you don't like a company's policy.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

How about, you shouldn't be looking through all my private photos under the guise of looking for child porn?

All the privacy rights people have don't go out the window because child porn is a thing.

But only action arises when illegal stuff is found and that’s the only thing that matters.

So people can spy on you, look at all your private photos, and conduct searches on any citizen they want, and it is all good as long as they don't arrest you if nothing is found?

Is it cool if companies start searching your computers for music, movies, and games to make sure you have no illegal downloads?

you say that like it's not already happening.

That was kinda the whole thing with Snowden, wasn't it? Goverment intercepting and spying on citizen communication without warrants just cause they could with no probable cause or warrants, or warrants that they didn't have to tell the person being spied on about. Started as an anti-terrorism thing on foreign nationals, turned into private spy on whoever for whatever reason network.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

How about, you shouldn't be looking through all my private photos under the guise of looking for child porn?

All the privacy rights people have don't go out the window because child porn is a thing.

But only action arises when illegal stuff is found and that’s the only thing that matters.

So people can spy on you, look at all your private photos, and conduct searches on any citizen they want, and it is all good as long as they don't arrest you if nothing is found?

Is it cool if companies start searching your computers for music, movies, and games to make sure you have no illegal downloads?

I mean for me, yeah. I haven’t got illegal music or films. So it’s much for muchness. The idea that I’m somehow supposed to be allowed to keep illegal stuff hidden and it would be a gross violation to have someone find out I’m a criminal is an awful defense. In the case you presented it is known in advance and clearly stated that it is a risk. So they should not be worried about it should they.

Besides, the revelations from Snowden and the PATRIOT act suggest your government do all that and more. Luckily we don’t allow that over here in the land of true freedom.

showa58taro wrote: I mean for me, yeah. I haven’t got illegal music or films. So it’s much for muchness. The idea that I’m somehow supposed to be allowed to keep illegal stuff hidden and it would be a gross violation to have someone find out I’m a criminal is an awful defense. In the case you presented it is known in advance and clearly stated that it is a risk. So they should not be worried about it should they.

Besides, the revelations from Snowden and the PATRIOT act suggest your government do all that and more. Luckily we don’t allow that over here in the land of true freedom.

to be clear, foo is not defending criminals or criminal acts... no matter how badly you seem to want to frame it as.

illegality is being assumed of everyone. (or at least everyone who uses the geeksquad service in this instance) it is not about being allowed to have illegal shit on your computer. it is about being afforded the benefit of the doubt that you do not have illegal shit on your computer, until you as an individual give some sign that you should not be given that benefit of the doubt.

and yes, it happens on a larger scale too. but it shouldn't there either. trump even advocated not using due process when it comes to gun control. so yeah, this is not the only time, it's just one of many. none of which i'm okay with, personally. but it s something i have to live with, so long as people, in general, just let it slide. *shrug*

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote: I mean for me, yeah. I haven’t got illegal music or films. So it’s much for muchness. The idea that I’m somehow supposed to be allowed to keep illegal stuff hidden and it would be a gross violation to have someone find out I’m a criminal is an awful defense. In the case you presented it is known in advance and clearly stated that it is a risk. So they should not be worried about it should they.

Besides, the revelations from Snowden and the PATRIOT act suggest your government do all that and more. Luckily we don’t allow that over here in the land of true freedom.

to be clear, foo is not defending criminals or criminal acts... no matter how badly you seem to want to frame it as.

illegality is being assumed of everyone. (or at least everyone who uses the geeksquad service in this instance) it is not about being allowed to have illegal shit on your computer. it is about being afforded the benefit of the doubt that you do not have illegal shit on your computer, until you as an individual give some sign that you should not be given that benefit of the doubt.

and yes, it happens on a larger scale too. but it shouldn't there either. trump even advocated not using due process when it comes to gun control. so yeah, this is not the only time, it's just one of many. none of which i'm okay with, personally. but it s something i have to live with, so long as people, in general, just let it slide. *shrug*

He must be because they are the ones affected by this.

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote: I mean for me, yeah. I haven’t got illegal music or films. So it’s much for muchness. The idea that I’m somehow supposed to be allowed to keep illegal stuff hidden and it would be a gross violation to have someone find out I’m a criminal is an awful defense. In the case you presented it is known in advance and clearly stated that it is a risk. So they should not be worried about it should they.

Besides, the revelations from Snowden and the PATRIOT act suggest your government do all that and more. Luckily we don’t allow that over here in the land of true freedom.

to be clear, foo is not defending criminals or criminal acts... no matter how badly you seem to want to frame it as.

illegality is being assumed of everyone. (or at least everyone who uses the geeksquad service in this instance) it is not about being allowed to have illegal shit on your computer. it is about being afforded the benefit of the doubt that you do not have illegal shit on your computer, until you as an individual give some sign that you should not be given that benefit of the doubt.

and yes, it happens on a larger scale too. but it shouldn't there either. trump even advocated not using due process when it comes to gun control. so yeah, this is not the only time, it's just one of many. none of which i'm okay with, personally. but it s something i have to live with, so long as people, in general, just let it slide. *shrug*

He must be because they are the ones affected by this.

they are affected, as is everyone else.

get a house sitter, or a cleaning service. maid searches and scours your home, while cleaning up. 20 other homes use the same service. the maid finds cocaine in one of the other homes. all searches were justified. that is the pretense here, seemingly.

silly morgan freeman. only the joker was affected.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

if you have to use "so, you support child pornography?" to defend your argument, maybe it's already on shaky ground?

Moral crusades have been used to justify anything and everything in the past. Times change, people don't.

what you and i are doing could be argued as a moral crusade, just as easily.

Not really. Rights tend to be ammoral. That is a foundation of separation of church and state.

For instance, free speech laws/rights are not needed to protect what is viewed as moral by the majority.

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote: I mean for me, yeah. I haven’t got illegal music or films. So it’s much for muchness. The idea that I’m somehow supposed to be allowed to keep illegal stuff hidden and it would be a gross violation to have someone find out I’m a criminal is an awful defense. In the case you presented it is known in advance and clearly stated that it is a risk. So they should not be worried about it should they.

Besides, the revelations from Snowden and the PATRIOT act suggest your government do all that and more. Luckily we don’t allow that over here in the land of true freedom.

to be clear, foo is not defending criminals or criminal acts... no matter how badly you seem to want to frame it as.

illegality is being assumed of everyone. (or at least everyone who uses the geeksquad service in this instance) it is not about being allowed to have illegal shit on your computer. it is about being afforded the benefit of the doubt that you do not have illegal shit on your computer, until you as an individual give some sign that you should not be given that benefit of the doubt.

and yes, it happens on a larger scale too. but it shouldn't there either. trump even advocated not using due process when it comes to gun control. so yeah, this is not the only time, it's just one of many. none of which i'm okay with, personally. but it s something i have to live with, so long as people, in general, just let it slide. *shrug*

He must be because they are the ones affected by this.

If people invaded your privacy, looking at personal documents, taxes, old love letters, pictures of your wife, pictures of your family, etc that are only meant for you, are you not affected?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The defense “you shouldn’t have found my illegal child pornography” doesn’t really hold any weight to me morally.

if you have to use "so, you support child pornography?" to defend your argument, maybe it's already on shaky ground?

Moral crusades have been used to justify anything and everything in the past. Times change, people don't.

what you and i are doing could be argued as a moral crusade, just as easily.

Not really. Rights tend to be ammoral. That is a foundation of separation of church and state.

For instance, free speech laws/rights are not needed to protect what is viewed as moral by the majority.

i don't see morality as necessarily a religious thing, so separation of church and state isn't so much a part of it to me.

we are defending moral rights, not legal ones. we may not be in the majority, as most aren't aware or don't care enough to bother until it affects them in a more visible, direct way. but it is still about morality and ethics and such.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote: I mean for me, yeah. I haven’t got illegal music or films. So it’s much for muchness. The idea that I’m somehow supposed to be allowed to keep illegal stuff hidden and it would be a gross violation to have someone find out I’m a criminal is an awful defense. In the case you presented it is known in advance and clearly stated that it is a risk. So they should not be worried about it should they.

Besides, the revelations from Snowden and the PATRIOT act suggest your government do all that and more. Luckily we don’t allow that over here in the land of true freedom.

to be clear, foo is not defending criminals or criminal acts... no matter how badly you seem to want to frame it as.

illegality is being assumed of everyone. (or at least everyone who uses the geeksquad service in this instance) it is not about being allowed to have illegal shit on your computer. it is about being afforded the benefit of the doubt that you do not have illegal shit on your computer, until you as an individual give some sign that you should not be given that benefit of the doubt.

and yes, it happens on a larger scale too. but it shouldn't there either. trump even advocated not using due process when it comes to gun control. so yeah, this is not the only time, it's just one of many. none of which i'm okay with, personally. but it s something i have to live with, so long as people, in general, just let it slide. *shrug*

He must be because they are the ones affected by this.

If people invaded your privacy, looking at personal documents, taxes, old love letters, pictures of your wife, pictures of your family, etc that are only meant for you, are you not affected?

What harm does it do me?

it's invasion of privacy. it does affect you, even if you don't recognize it as harm, or aren't even aware of it happening.

is it just because it's files on a computer, or documents or photos or whatever? does it just feel more removed or less personal or something? or does privacy not mean that much to you, or what?

if it was you and your family being filmed in your home, would that be viewed as more harmful? if domestic violence was thwarted in another home because that home had also been under surveillance, would that make it okay to continue filming your home?