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Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:And that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s philosophical. You can care about your life, your family and friends and carve out a perfect slice of life for yourself. But it isn’t the same thing as loving and caring about your country. You have to share some concern for the well being of people you’ll never meet to do that. The patriotic symbolism is nothing but empty gestures if your philosophy is “fuck everyone who I don’t know”.

So if the way you’re going to approach these things is “The police are fine because they treat me well and only I matter”, that’s fine. But just stay out of the way when people who actually care about making this country better for everyone fight against real atrocity. Your voice doesn’t need to be heard. You’ll be in your unaffected state regardless.

I think that view is a projection I firmly believe that the Floyd murder was an overwhelming front of disgust and acceptance of the need for change it's the aftershocks that followed that divided everyone

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

You claim everyone and I feel comfortable saying the majority of Americans who do not agree with you are either lazy,apathetic,misinformed or racist. How much different are you from people who post things like Jason? My way or the highway type thinking is as counter productive as any absolute a far right person would think.

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

You claim everyone and I feel comfortable saying the majority of Americans who do not agree with you are either lazy,apathetic,misinformed or racist. How much different are you from people who post things like Jason? My way or the highway type thinking is as counter productive as any absolute a far right person would think.

How much different am I from Jason? For one, I’m not a racist piece of shit.

You’re not even making arguments. Just “hey, why do you think you’re so right, man” platitudes. Why don’t you try making a case, just not one built on straw men?

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

You claim everyone and I feel comfortable saying the majority of Americans who do not agree with you are either lazy,apathetic,misinformed or racist. How much different are you from people who post things like Jason? My way or the highway type thinking is as counter productive as any absolute a far right person would think.

How much different am I from Jason? For one, I’m not a racist piece of shit.

You’re not even making arguments. Just “hey, why do you think you’re so right, man” platitudes. Why don’t you try making a case, just not one built on straw men?

You think all cops are poisoned how are you any different from any other bigot? Everything you dont agree with is a strawman or a platitude you have zero space for any other reasoning because to you you are talking to lesser minds who are inferior to you (WOKE).

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Jason wrote:

I find this to be very poor taste

indeed

He’s a racist piece of shit. Nothing will ever change my mind on that.

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Jason wrote:

I find this to be very poor taste

indeed

He’s a racist piece of shit. Nothing will ever change my mind on that.

Certainly not doing anything to act less racist.

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Indeed. I assume this is meant to elicit something but it feels like it’s just trying to act racist for racists sake. Oh well.

As if any of us ever suggested murderers shouldn’t be held to account. That’s exactly what this conversation is all about, murderers not being held to account because they’re cops.

I'm sorry you guys didn't get your unsolicited NWA echo chamber. That's never been my bag. 9 out of 10 of my experiences with cops has been positive, uplifting even. I've witnessed good ones do their job, save lives, get the riff raff off the street. But I'm just me with my own experiences. I'm not stopping you disease spreading white knights, go save the world.

As you were self-aware enough to point out, that’s a very myopic view.

I’m good, who cares about anyone else. How do you pretend to care about your countrymen with a mentality like that? You might as well take a shit on the flag.

Countrymen. Lol, If I care about you, you'll know.

So why do you conservatives go on these platitudes about the flag and other symbolic crap? Is that what patriotism is? Empty gestures?

It's a difference in opinion of what caring for other people means.

If you don’t care about the people who live in this country, you don’t care about this country. Period.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Indeed. I assume this is meant to elicit something but it feels like it’s just trying to act racist for racists sake. Oh well.

As if any of us ever suggested murderers shouldn’t be held to account. That’s exactly what this conversation is all about, murderers not being held to account because they’re cops.

I'm sorry you guys didn't get your unsolicited NWA echo chamber. That's never been my bag. 9 out of 10 of my experiences with cops has been positive, uplifting even. I've witnessed good ones do their job, save lives, get the riff raff off the street. But I'm just me with my own experiences. I'm not stopping you disease spreading white knights, go save the world.

As you were self-aware enough to point out, that’s a very myopic view.

I’m good, who cares about anyone else. How do you pretend to care about your countrymen with a mentality like that? You might as well take a shit on the flag.

Countrymen. Lol, If I care about you, you'll know.

So why do you conservatives go on these platitudes about the flag and other symbolic crap? Is that what patriotism is? Empty gestures?

It's a difference in opinion of what caring for other people means.

If you don’t care about the people who live in this country, you don’t care about this country. Period.

Cops live in this country. Lmao

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

You claim everyone and I feel comfortable saying the majority of Americans who do not agree with you are either lazy,apathetic,misinformed or racist. How much different are you from people who post things like Jason? My way or the highway type thinking is as counter productive as any absolute a far right person would think.

How much different am I from Jason? For one, I’m not a racist piece of shit.

You’re not even making arguments. Just “hey, why do you think you’re so right, man” platitudes. Why don’t you try making a case, just not one built on straw men?

Headhunter wrote:Is it some horrific thing for me to say people are misinformed?

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Indeed. I assume this is meant to elicit something but it feels like it’s just trying to act racist for racists sake. Oh well.

As if any of us ever suggested murderers shouldn’t be held to account. That’s exactly what this conversation is all about, murderers not being held to account because they’re cops.

I'm sorry you guys didn't get your unsolicited NWA echo chamber. That's never been my bag. 9 out of 10 of my experiences with cops has been positive, uplifting even. I've witnessed good ones do their job, save lives, get the riff raff off the street. But I'm just me with my own experiences. I'm not stopping you disease spreading white knights, go save the world.

As you were self-aware enough to point out, that’s a very myopic view.

I’m good, who cares about anyone else. How do you pretend to care about your countrymen with a mentality like that? You might as well take a shit on the flag.

Countrymen. Lol, If I care about you, you'll know.

So why do you conservatives go on these platitudes about the flag and other symbolic crap? Is that what patriotism is? Empty gestures?

It's a difference in opinion of what caring for other people means.

If you don’t care about the people who live in this country, you don’t care about this country. Period.

Cops live in this country. Lmao

Wanting them to be held accountable for their actions. Yeah, that really shows I don’t care. You’re allowed to think.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

You claim everyone and I feel comfortable saying the majority of Americans who do not agree with you are either lazy,apathetic,misinformed or racist. How much different are you from people who post things like Jason? My way or the highway type thinking is as counter productive as any absolute a far right person would think.

How much different am I from Jason? For one, I’m not a racist piece of shit.

You’re not even making arguments. Just “hey, why do you think you’re so right, man” platitudes. Why don’t you try making a case, just not one built on straw men?

You're a white knight liberal cuck piece of shit with a warped view on politics and history because your liberal professors cut your balls off.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Is it some horrific thing for me to say people are misinformed?

Yeah. The most misinformed person on the site saying people are misinformed are hilarious. Lmao

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Some people think condoning rioting is a form of caring for other people some people do not. Some people think hating cops is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think ignoring statistics is a form of caring for people other people do not. Some people think hypocrisy and double standards are a way of caring for people others do not. I myself find these things extremely counter productive to the greater good of all people

Nice collection of straw men there. It’s certainly easier to say someone is “condoning riots” than it is to engage with the idea that riots are a natural and unfortunate consequence of a failure to enforce the law justly, rather than something anyone roots for. It’s certainly easier to make this about “hating cops” than the actual attempts at reform being discussed to improve policing and rebuild some level of trust between them and the communities they serve. Its certainly easier to say people are “ignoring statistics” than to consider that those statistics don’t reveal what you think they do, and that an elementary understanding of math alone won’t get you the answers you’re looking for. It’s certainly easier to call everything “hypocrisy” or a “double standard” rather than try to consider the distinctions you brush over.

You can be lazy and frame every argument however you want so that you don’t have to engage in real conversation. And I can call it out for the bullshit it is.

You claim everyone and I feel comfortable saying the majority of Americans who do not agree with you are either lazy,apathetic,misinformed or racist. How much different are you from people who post things like Jason? My way or the highway type thinking is as counter productive as any absolute a far right person would think.

How much different am I from Jason? For one, I’m not a racist piece of shit.

You’re not even making arguments. Just “hey, why do you think you’re so right, man” platitudes. Why don’t you try making a case, just not one built on straw men?

You're a white knight liberal cuck piece of shit with a warped view on politics and history because your liberal professors cut your balls off.

You’re a dumb racist scumbag whose best hope in life is getting discount blowjobs from truck stop hookers.