Jason wrote:Cam is not broken. Maybe emotionally, but not physically. That is absolute nonsense.
Sounds good. You do what you need to do to apply your corny eye-roll worthy narrative, the rest of us will stick to reality.
Reality for a simpleton: it is impossible to have your physicality chronically broken overnight. The dude went from a stylin' & profilin' madman in 2015 to a play-it-safe, middle-of-the-road QB the very next year, and has been the exact same ever since. I said it before, Von and the Broncos took his soul 3 years ago at Super Bowl 50. It is so god damn easy to see that he does not give a rat's ass anymore. He doesn't do his Superman shit, he's never smiling, he's never jumping in the stands handing balls to kids. He was doing that every season, good or bad, up until that one game after he went 17-1 and lost to the Broncos in the Super Bowl. He does. not. give a shit.
It hasn't been overnight. It's been over the course of a decade plus taking shot after shot to that 6'6", 260 frame. His athletic peak was Auburn and his first couple years in the league. His career arc is like a running back because defenses played him like a running back.
Lmao at your evidence being that he's not the same exuberant presence who dances around all the time. Of course he's not. It's called being a 30 year old man with a family (with a beat up body) and not a 22 year old adult kid.
You act like you've never seen him play before. The pattern is right there for anyone willing to use their brain just a little instead of jumping to the easy route of saying "Oh, he just super old now". When he was "a 22 year old adult kid", the same shit would happen. He would struggle with his accuracy, he'd get shut down on the run, have a terrible game and put his Gatorade towel over his head. Remember the epidemic the media made out of that? He's doing the exact same thing right now and nobody was retarded enough to say he was a broken down old man at 22 years old. When faced with adversity, he wilts under pressure. He has no heart.
John Elway at 38 was clearly done, physically. Yet, still... look at the effort he put into every play when the game was on the line and he was struggling to get shit done. Same with Favre, dude could still air it out 80 yards down the field at 40 and Marino at 38 could hit a pimple on a fly's ass at 50 yards. Cam is throwing duckfart throws at 10 yards away. You're telling me Cam at 30 is worse off physically than those guys? He would have to be gravely injured if that's the case.
Stop pedaling simple answers. Cam doesn't give a fuck.
When did anybody say "Oh, he's just super old now?" It's about his body, not how many years he's been alive. None of that nonsense about putting a towel over his head or not smiling or not dancing matters even a little bit.
Yes. Cam is worse off than all those quarterbacks are because he doubled as a running back. His shoulder is clearly fucked and he's a slower, stiffer athlete than he used to be. The fact that those guys were still able to throw the ball with a combination of zip and accuracy and Cam can't has nothing to do with heart, it's called ability.
Headhunter wrote:Yes. Cam is worse off than all those quarterbacks are because he doubled as a running back. he's a slower, stiffer athlete than he used to be.
Yeah, barely. And I mean barely. The dude could clearly still barrel down the field for 40+ yards if he wanted. You act like it's impossible that he's still among the most mobile QBs in the league and that he just doesn't want it as much as the rest of the guys in the league.
The dude cares way less than he used to, it's clear, and I'm sticking with that.
Headhunter wrote:Yes. Cam is worse off than all those quarterbacks are because he doubled as a running back. he's a slower, stiffer athlete than he used to be.
Yeah, barely. And I mean barely. The dude could clearly still barrel down the field for 40+ yards if he wanted. You act like it's impossible that he's still among the most mobile QBs in the league and that he just doesn't want it as much as the rest of the guys in the league.
The dude cares way less than he used to, it's clear, and I'm sticking with that.
It's not literally impossible, but it's a pretty staggeringly dumb conclusion to reach when there's zero evidence to suggest it, while there's a staggering amount of tape and injury reports that can attest to Cam's physical breakdown.
There are very few things more cringe-worthy than people analyzing whether or not professional athletes "want it". They're usually the same people who complain "If I had THEIR salary" or "if they had to do REAL work" etc. It takes an absolutely absurd level of dedication to make it in the NFL at that position, let alone successfully be that dude for a team for damn near a decade.
He worked his ass off like all of these guys do. The past few years, he's had to put in the franchise QB level of mental work the they ALL do while constantly rehabbing from injuries that will make his life harder years from now. That shit is an unreal grind, and it's pretty absurd to question the work ethic or desire of someone who's done it at a high level for so long.
Headhunter wrote:It's not literally impossible, but it's a pretty staggeringly dumb conclusion to reach when there's zero evidence to suggest it.
You mean, the crystal clear evidence of nonsense he pulls when things don't go his way on the field? Whether he's a 22-year-old adult kid or a 30 year old with no heart?
I'm not at all trying to be insulting here, but there is a recognizable pattern in his behavior dating back ten years. He's obviously not 22 anymore, but he's not some broken down player who doesn't have it. He fell off like this for huge spurts as a young kid. He is lacking passion, always has, and you need that in this league. It's right there on the table for everyone to see when he's forced to overcome adversity.
Headhunter wrote:It's not literally impossible, but it's a pretty staggeringly dumb conclusion to reach when there's zero evidence to suggest it.
You mean, the crystal clear evidence of nonsense he pulls when things don't go his way on the field? Whether he's a 22-year-old adult kid or a 30 year old with no heart?
I'm not at all trying to be insulting here, but there is a recognizable pattern in his behavior dating back ten years. He's obviously not 22 anymore, but he's not some broken down player who doesn't have it. He fell off like this for huge spurts as a young kid. He is lacking passion, always has, and you need that in this league. It's right there on the table for everyone to see when he's forced to overcome adversity.
First he doesn’t care anymore, an hour later he never cared ever. At least try to be consistent with this train wreck of an argument.
Again, just saying “everyone can see it” or stating over and over how obvious it is when you’re the one who’s making the case isn’t an effective argument.
Headhunter wrote:There are very few things more cringe-worthy than people analyzing whether or not professional athletes "want it".
You seemed to agree a month or two ago, whenever it was, when I said DT lacked passion and that contributed to his downfall. Now all of a sudden it's the cringiest thing ever!
Headhunter wrote:Again, just saying “everyone can see it” or stating over and over how obvious it is when you’re the one who’s making the case isn’t an effective argument.
Bringing other possibilities nobody here really considered and showing evidence of the behavior recurring over the years that could cause these possibilities is how to start a great argument. A shame you jumped in because that's the only time they go to shit.
Headhunter wrote:Again, just saying “everyone can see it” or stating over and over how obvious it is when you’re the one who’s making the case isn’t an effective argument.
Bringing other possibilities nobody here really considered and showing evidence of the behavior recurring over the years that could cause these possibilities is how to start a great argument. A shame you jumped in because that's the only time they go to shit.
Dude, you argued that because Cam doesn't smile or do Superman celebrations, that makes it obvious that he doesn't care about football. Sorry that I'm not going to give you the most dishonest "Could be" of all time...
Headhunter wrote:Again, just saying “everyone can see it” or stating over and over how obvious it is when you’re the one who’s making the case isn’t an effective argument.
Bringing other possibilities nobody here really considered and showing evidence of the behavior recurring over the years that could cause these possibilities is how to start a great argument. A shame you jumped in because that's the only time they go to shit.
Dude, you argued that because Cam doesn't smile or do Superman celebrations, that makes it obvious that he doesn't care about football.
No, you're doing that liberal thing where you dumb arguments down to your own level of perception so you could create a silly straw man.
I think he lacks passion, you take MASSIVE exception to that. And that's fine. It's good to see you still have passion in arguing about it. Mine is lacking, rn. I'm gonna go eat food.
Headhunter wrote:Again, just saying “everyone can see it” or stating over and over how obvious it is when you’re the one who’s making the case isn’t an effective argument.
Bringing other possibilities nobody here really considered and showing evidence of the behavior recurring over the years that could cause these possibilities is how to start a great argument. A shame you jumped in because that's the only time they go to shit.
Dude, you argued that because Cam doesn't smile or do Superman celebrations, that makes it obvious that he doesn't care about football.
No, you're doing that liberal thing where you dumb arguments down to your own level of perception so you could create a silly straw man.
I think he lacks passion, you take MASSIVE exception to that. And that's fine. It's good to see you still have passion in arguing about it. Mine is lacking, rn. I'm gonna go eat food.
Nah that's the evidence you used to defend your argument. Was "that liberal thing" not including the part about handing kids touchdowns? I guess I left that out but it wasn't intentional. So, those two things plus not handing kids touchdowns show that he doesn't care about football anymore. There, I saved us both from my evil liberal agenda.
FYI, it's called deconstructing an argument and pointing out the fallacies and inconsistencies as they become clear. It's not something that has a political agenda and you probably need to work out some of your own political anxieties if your first reaction is that I'm doing "that liberal thing". Since, you know, the argument was about football and not politics...
Man....had a rough day at work. All I wanted to do was come home to read typical football shit with the HMFers. Now I have to go get some beers just to read all the drama lol. It's cool though. I have nothing else to do haha. Love you guys!
Jmac Attack wrote:Man....had a rough day at work. All I wanted to do was come home to read typical football shit with the HMFers. Now I have to go get some beers just to read all the drama lol. It's cool though. I have nothing else to do haha. Love you guys!
Let me translate. Cam ain't nothin' but a nut that can't find a squirrel, brah. And were arguing over why that motherfucking nut be crackin'. Some say it's soft, some say it's old, but nut be crackin'.
