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Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:It's a shame that so many atrocious Democrats are winning, and so many "leftists" are happy about it.

Happy that Gretchen Whitmer is Michigan's governor? Tim Kaine? Sherrod Brown? Bob fucking Casey? Every single one of these individuals is no ally of the left. And yet, "OMG THE REPUBLICNAS ARE WORSE VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO". God, Democrats are pathetic.
The alternative being . . .
Actual strong leftist candidates, not beholden to corporate interests or a corrupt political party.
That's not an alternative if 42 people are voting for them.
Which is why we need to work harder to fix the broken ballot access laws that both Republicans and Democrats support. Voting Democratic, in most cases, is not an option if you want to move to a leftist society, as far as I can tell.
Clearly nobody wants to be anywhere near as far left as you except those other 42 weirdos. And 38 of them are voting just to be rebellious.
I don't see how you can determine that. If these candidates were actually allowed in the debates, then it's fair to say that more people would vote for them. However, neither the Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that, so they have no interest in doing so.
Would love to see them in more debates.

Gary Johnson: "What is Syria?"
Jill Stein: "Who cares? We need to graffiti shit."
Johnson was well-respected when he was Governor, and though I wouldn't vote for him, and I think Libertarians have better candidates, he could still draw voters in. Same with Jill Stein, who had a strong, progressive platform (though not as strong as Monica Moorehead, Alyson Kennedy, and various others).

Perpetuating the two-party system just because you think single individuals from two different parties made mistakes seems rather foolish to me.
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zombie wrote:
Jason wrote:
I don't care how you vote. All she's given me is that she believes the wage gap myth, which can be dismantled by any idiot in 20 seconds. And if she is like 99.999% of all other leftist celebrities, she would think of me as a racist nazi-sympathizer who is not worthy of her presence. Hope that's not the case, but I won't lose any sleep.
hope she wouldn't do that to you. i hope you can let go of doing that to her, out of your own political viewpoint. :P
Doing what to her?
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Jiggy, I can find you some super cheap housing in Venezuela.
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Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:It's a shame that so many atrocious Democrats are winning, and so many "leftists" are happy about it.

Happy that Gretchen Whitmer is Michigan's governor? Tim Kaine? Sherrod Brown? Bob fucking Casey? Every single one of these individuals is no ally of the left. And yet, "OMG THE REPUBLICNAS ARE WORSE VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO". God, Democrats are pathetic.
The alternative being . . .
Actual strong leftist candidates, not beholden to corporate interests or a corrupt political party.
That's not an alternative if 42 people are voting for them.
Which is why we need to work harder to fix the broken ballot access laws that both Republicans and Democrats support. Voting Democratic, in most cases, is not an option if you want to move to a leftist society, as far as I can tell.
Clearly nobody wants to be anywhere near as far left as you except those other 42 weirdos. And 38 of them are voting just to be rebellious.
I don't see how you can determine that. If these candidates were actually allowed in the debates, then it's fair to say that more people would vote for them. However, neither the Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that, so they have no interest in doing so.
Would love to see them in more debates.

Gary Johnson: "What is Syria?"
Jill Stein: "Who cares? We need to graffiti shit."
Johnson was well-respected when he was Governor, and though I wouldn't vote for him, and I think Libertarians have better candidates, he could still draw voters in. Same with Jill Stein, who had a strong, progressive platform (though not as strong as Monica Moorehead, Alyson Kennedy, and various others).

Perpetuating the two-party system just because you think single individuals from two different parties made mistakes seems rather foolish to me.
If those are your best 3rd party candidates, there's a reason why nobody pays attention.
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:I fully expect Beto will be the Democrats' guy for 2020, if he wants it.
He has to beat Cruz. If he loses to Cruz it won't be him.
A close loss to Cruz is exactly the scenario in which he becomes the guy. What he's done in Texas to make it a close race is a win in itself, and now he can put all his energy into presidential aspirations.

Texas is pretty much a purple state at this point and he accelerated that timeline.
I'll eat my words if he's the guy in 2020, but I'd bet the House ( :D ) it isn't him.
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Jason wrote:
zombie wrote:
Jason wrote:
I don't care how you vote. All she's given me is that she believes the wage gap myth, which can be dismantled by any idiot in 20 seconds. And if she is like 99.999% of all other leftist celebrities, she would think of me as a racist nazi-sympathizer who is not worthy of her presence. Hope that's not the case, but I won't lose any sleep.
hope she wouldn't do that to you. i hope you can let go of doing that to her, out of your own political viewpoint. :P
Doing what to her?
holding her vote against her, in the same way that you said she would to you.
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Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Not sure what so many liberals are complaining about, this is looking like the best realistic outcome they could have hoped for. Flip the House, positive developments in Texas and Florida.
Because relative to other mid-terms, plus all the "Blue Wave" talk, this is pretty underwhelming. Trump and the senate will continue to re-shape the courts.
I get that the House flip was assumed so they get no credit, but it was also deeply, deeply gerrymandered in Republicans' favor. I bet it would have held with a competent Republican in office.

The "Blue Wave" stuff was fringe. Nobody credible believed in it.
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Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:It's a shame that so many atrocious Democrats are winning, and so many "leftists" are happy about it.

Happy that Gretchen Whitmer is Michigan's governor? Tim Kaine? Sherrod Brown? Bob fucking Casey? Every single one of these individuals is no ally of the left. And yet, "OMG THE REPUBLICNAS ARE WORSE VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO". God, Democrats are pathetic.
The alternative being . . .
Actual strong leftist candidates, not beholden to corporate interests or a corrupt political party.
That's not an alternative if 42 people are voting for them.
Which is why we need to work harder to fix the broken ballot access laws that both Republicans and Democrats support. Voting Democratic, in most cases, is not an option if you want to move to a leftist society, as far as I can tell.
Clearly nobody wants to be anywhere near as far left as you except those other 42 weirdos. And 38 of them are voting just to be rebellious.
I don't see how you can determine that. If these candidates were actually allowed in the debates, then it's fair to say that more people would vote for them. However, neither the Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that, so they have no interest in doing so.
Would love to see them in more debates.

Gary Johnson: "What is Syria?"
Jill Stein: "Who cares? We need to graffiti shit."
Johnson was well-respected when he was Governor, and though I wouldn't vote for him, and I think Libertarians have better candidates, he could still draw voters in. Same with Jill Stein, who had a strong, progressive platform (though not as strong as Monica Moorehead, Alyson Kennedy, and various others).

Perpetuating the two-party system just because you think single individuals from two different parties made mistakes seems rather foolish to me.
If those are your best 3rd party candidates, there's a reason why nobody pays attention.
When did I ever say they were the best third party candidates? And you cannot blame the parties for not attracting attention when the Republicans, Democrats, media, and whole establishment act as though they're not legitimate options, when they certainly are.
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Let's also not forget how much damage Trump did to Cruz's reputation as a politician. Lyin' Ted stuck with him, and he still wiped out Beta Male, despite more celebrity shilling and LeBum wearing Beta Male hats in San Antonio.
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Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:It's a shame that so many atrocious Democrats are winning, and so many "leftists" are happy about it.

Happy that Gretchen Whitmer is Michigan's governor? Tim Kaine? Sherrod Brown? Bob fucking Casey? Every single one of these individuals is no ally of the left. And yet, "OMG THE REPUBLICNAS ARE WORSE VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO". God, Democrats are pathetic.
The alternative being . . .
Actual strong leftist candidates, not beholden to corporate interests or a corrupt political party.
That's not an alternative if 42 people are voting for them.
Which is why we need to work harder to fix the broken ballot access laws that both Republicans and Democrats support. Voting Democratic, in most cases, is not an option if you want to move to a leftist society, as far as I can tell.
Clearly nobody wants to be anywhere near as far left as you except those other 42 weirdos. And 38 of them are voting just to be rebellious.
I don't see how you can determine that. If these candidates were actually allowed in the debates, then it's fair to say that more people would vote for them. However, neither the Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that, so they have no interest in doing so.
Would love to see them in more debates.

Gary Johnson: "What is Syria?"
Jill Stein: "Who cares? We need to graffiti shit."
Johnson was well-respected when he was Governor, and though I wouldn't vote for him, and I think Libertarians have better candidates, he could still draw voters in. Same with Jill Stein, who had a strong, progressive platform (though not as strong as Monica Moorehead, Alyson Kennedy, and various others).

Perpetuating the two-party system just because you think single individuals from two different parties made mistakes seems rather foolish to me.
If those are your best 3rd party candidates, there's a reason why nobody pays attention.
When did I ever say they were the best third party candidates? And you cannot blame the parties for not attracting attention when the Republicans, Democrats, media, and whole establishment act as though they're not legitimate options, when they certainly are.
I mean...who defines legitimacy?
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
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Jason wrote:Let's also not forget how much damage Trump did to Cruz's reputation as a politician. Lyin' Ted stuck with him, and he still wiped out Beta Male, despite more celebrity shilling and LeBum wearing Beta Male hats in San Antonio.
Wiped out? Not exactly framing the outcome honestly there. Texas is changing quickly.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
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Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Jason wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:It's a shame that so many atrocious Democrats are winning, and so many "leftists" are happy about it.

Happy that Gretchen Whitmer is Michigan's governor? Tim Kaine? Sherrod Brown? Bob fucking Casey? Every single one of these individuals is no ally of the left. And yet, "OMG THE REPUBLICNAS ARE WORSE VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO". God, Democrats are pathetic.
The alternative being . . .
Actual strong leftist candidates, not beholden to corporate interests or a corrupt political party.
That's not an alternative if 42 people are voting for them.
Which is why we need to work harder to fix the broken ballot access laws that both Republicans and Democrats support. Voting Democratic, in most cases, is not an option if you want to move to a leftist society, as far as I can tell.
Clearly nobody wants to be anywhere near as far left as you except those other 42 weirdos. And 38 of them are voting just to be rebellious.
I don't see how you can determine that. If these candidates were actually allowed in the debates, then it's fair to say that more people would vote for them. However, neither the Republicans nor Democrats would benefit from that, so they have no interest in doing so.
Would love to see them in more debates.

Gary Johnson: "What is Syria?"
Jill Stein: "Who cares? We need to graffiti shit."
Johnson was well-respected when he was Governor, and though I wouldn't vote for him, and I think Libertarians have better candidates, he could still draw voters in. Same with Jill Stein, who had a strong, progressive platform (though not as strong as Monica Moorehead, Alyson Kennedy, and various others).

Perpetuating the two-party system just because you think single individuals from two different parties made mistakes seems rather foolish to me.
If those are your best 3rd party candidates, there's a reason why nobody pays attention.
When did I ever say they were the best third party candidates? And you cannot blame the parties for not attracting attention when the Republicans, Democrats, media, and whole establishment act as though they're not legitimate options, when they certainly are.
I mean...who defines legitimacy?
Apparently the media, and the two-party system, which is why it's so difficult to try and break people out of that trance, and show them that they can actually make choices and vote for candidates they believe in, and not because they think they have to, one way or the other.
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zombie wrote:
Jason wrote:
zombie wrote:
Jason wrote:
I don't care how you vote. All she's given me is that she believes the wage gap myth, which can be dismantled by any idiot in 20 seconds. And if she is like 99.999% of all other leftist celebrities, she would think of me as a racist nazi-sympathizer who is not worthy of her presence. Hope that's not the case, but I won't lose any sleep.
hope she wouldn't do that to you. i hope you can let go of doing that to her, out of your own political viewpoint. :P
Doing what to her?
holding her vote against her, in the same way that you said she would to you.
She's shilling for a democrat based on a proven myth. I would lol at somebody who shares similar viewpoints to mine if they made a catastrophic fuckup like that. And I am not holding a vote against her. Celebrities who go left think of any opposing argument as scum, and she has come out in similar fashion and went on little tirades about it. I am no better than a jew killer or child rapist in the eyes of those people. Sad. Is Taylor the exception? I don't know. The only exceptions I can think of off hand are Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Cranston.
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:Let's also not forget how much damage Trump did to Cruz's reputation as a politician. Lyin' Ted stuck with him, and he still wiped out Beta Male, despite more celebrity shilling and LeBum wearing Beta Male hats in San Antonio.
Wiped out? Not exactly framing the outcome honestly there. Texas is changing quickly.
Not quickly enough. It will certainly go red yet again in 2020.
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Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:Let's also not forget how much damage Trump did to Cruz's reputation as a politician. Lyin' Ted stuck with him, and he still wiped out Beta Male, despite more celebrity shilling and LeBum wearing Beta Male hats in San Antonio.
Wiped out? Not exactly framing the outcome honestly there. Texas is changing quickly.
Not quickly enough. It will certainly go red yet again in 2020.
Enough for what? Is Trump going to appoint himself dictator?
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Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Not sure what so many liberals are complaining about, this is looking like the best realistic outcome they could have hoped for. Flip the House, positive developments in Texas and Florida.
Because relative to other mid-terms, plus all the "Blue Wave" talk, this is pretty underwhelming. Trump and the senate will continue to re-shape the courts.
I get that the House flip was assumed so they get no credit, but it was also deeply, deeply gerrymandered in Republicans' favor. I bet it would have held with a competent Republican in office.

The "Blue Wave" stuff was fringe. Nobody credible believed in it.
Relative to other mid-terms this century, Republicans did very well as the party in power. Really, just shifting the senate so that Murkowski and Collins are no longer swing votes is a big thing for them.
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:Let's also not forget how much damage Trump did to Cruz's reputation as a politician. Lyin' Ted stuck with him, and he still wiped out Beta Male, despite more celebrity shilling and LeBum wearing Beta Male hats in San Antonio.
Wiped out? Not exactly framing the outcome honestly there. Texas is changing quickly.
Not quickly enough. It will certainly go red yet again in 2020.
Enough for what? Is Trump going to appoint himself dictator?
Enough as in, in time for the 2020 election. It is becoming less red, but it will still be red in 2020.

Again, with the Trump dictator shit. lol
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Jason wrote:My prediction is the Republicans winning the Senate and ending with 53 or 54 seats, and narrowly losing the House.
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And the Dems should really reconsider Pelosi. She is starting to make me wonder if she is not having some age related mental health issues. (not even saying it to be mean)
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I really don't understand why we don't just have independent panels determining voting districts. Partisanship will creep in naturally in any case but it's wild that gerrymandering is just an accepted part of the game.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
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