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zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

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Headhunter wrote:Acting like death machines the can kill tons of people very quickly are irrelevant is a silly thing to do. The gun argument always gets dumbed down to a guns vs. mental health thing, but the "anti-gun" people also support mental health initiatives that Republicans always gut. Republicans' actual solutions to this stuff are for more God in schools.

it's still a way to avoid parental and local responsibility. but at least it's toward something that is designed to cause harm or death. regulate them. then restrict them. then ban them.... and then move onto the next thing that can be used to avoid personal responsibility.

It's a choice of some change vs. no change.

i like that we just had this whole discussion about parents taking responsibility... and now it's either do something about guns, or do nothing.

Well, you can implement common sense reforms that will cut down on tragedies, or you can not do that and have more tragedies than otherwise. I don't know what the hang-up on that idea is, it's a fact. They will happen less often. Obviously the parents taking responsibility is also important, but we can address multiple concerns at once.

i don't have to like it, but let's do it. let's regulate guns or restrict guns. whatever satisfies. then we can move on to the next thing that will cut down on tragedies.

Is that supposed to be bad, working to find solutions to cut down on tragedies? If there's something else you can do that cut the deaths down even further, that's even better. This is how problem solving works. It's a lot more productive than "nothing can be done so don't try".

it depends on your point of view. comic books were a dangerous influence on children. rock music needed to be regulated for our safety. now, it's video games. that will be the next thing after guns are handled.

it is funny how you always try to shame me into your position.

Would love to see someone walk into a school and try to kill a bunch of people with a comic book or video game disc. Not comparable.

it isn't comparable. has that kept people from looking to those as *the problem*? will it keep them from looking back that way, when there aren't mass shootings anymore?

Headhunter wrote:It's not shame, it's pointing out uncomfortable realities. I think the fact that the things I'm referring to have been shown to save lives, is something I should point out. There's no judgement involved, just stating facts. How you react to it is not something I can control.

I do try to convince the other person I'm right, as people typically do in arguments. I don't feel like there has to be a disclaimer in every post that you having a different opinion is fine, that's common sense.

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Acting like death machines the can kill tons of people very quickly are irrelevant is a silly thing to do. The gun argument always gets dumbed down to a guns vs. mental health thing, but the "anti-gun" people also support mental health initiatives that Republicans always gut. Republicans' actual solutions to this stuff are for more God in schools.

it's still a way to avoid parental and local responsibility. but at least it's toward something that is designed to cause harm or death. regulate them. then restrict them. then ban them.... and then move onto the next thing that can be used to avoid personal responsibility.

It's a choice of some change vs. no change.

i like that we just had this whole discussion about parents taking responsibility... and now it's either do something about guns, or do nothing.

Well, you can implement common sense reforms that will cut down on tragedies, or you can not do that and have more tragedies than otherwise. I don't know what the hang-up on that idea is, it's a fact. They will happen less often. Obviously the parents taking responsibility is also important, but we can address multiple concerns at once.

i don't have to like it, but let's do it. let's regulate guns or restrict guns. whatever satisfies. then we can move on to the next thing that will cut down on tragedies.

Is that supposed to be bad, working to find solutions to cut down on tragedies? If there's something else you can do that cut the deaths down even further, that's even better. This is how problem solving works. It's a lot more productive than "nothing can be done so don't try".

it depends on your point of view. comic books were a dangerous influence on children. rock music needed to be regulated for our safety. now, it's video games. that will be the next thing after guns are handled.

it is funny how you always try to shame me into your position.

Would love to see someone walk into a school and try to kill a bunch of people with a comic book or video game disc. Not comparable.

it isn't comparable. has that kept people from looking to those as *the problem*? will it keep them from looking back that way, when there aren't mass shootings anymore?

I don't understand why it's hard to view this as a multi-faceted issue where you attempt to address multiple aspects (guns, mental health, family dynamics). This hyper-focus on who to blame or the ONE thing to fix is so counterproductive.

Jason wrote:Can't change something and ruin shit for 99.99% of people because 0.01% are retards.

I'm against Trump on this one.

Headhunter wrote:

Slaughterhouserock wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I know this talking point pisses people off, but glorification and aestheticization of violence, really the core of Gen X/Millenial entertainment, is probably having an effect on vulnerable young minds. We have to keep in mind that just because we can handle it ourselves (duh, horror fans) doesn’t mean everyone can.

Kid shooting people in Call of Duty all day + avoiding emotional growth and meaningful relationships...that’s a pretty toxic stew.

Monster wrote:That's a really good point. So many folks whose whole life revolves around video games. Hard to mature normally that way.

I couldn't disagree more with these two statements. I was raised on video games and, to this day, still play them and watch other people play the fucking things on twitch. I even volunteered at a week-long charity event(twice) run by life-long gamers that raises millions of dollars for charity every year. Being raised on games or movies or anything else is not the issue. The only way it will affect someone in a negative way is if they were already mentally unstable and can't tell the difference between fiction and reality. It's not the media in any form, it's the mind that's doing the ingesting of said media. A normal person who enjoys the violence of a video game or horror film, would be appalled when confronted with the same violence in real life. It's only the people who are already nuts that would equate what is happening on the screen with something they should do in real life.

Well, what I'm talking about does not apply to 99.99% of gamers, including yourself. Not saying it's a cause, but I think it can absolutely be an enhancer for kids in vulnerable places and that's something parents have to be aware of. Obviously not in the same realm as internally normalizing shooting people, but we all subconsciously pick up traits of characters in novels, films, games etc. and apply them to appropriate real-life situations. How could we not, we're exposed to it all the time and all the information we absorb goes somewhere.

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showa58taro wrote:Japan has tons of violence in games, tv, film and magazines. Not tons of shootings. Your logic sucks.

no. parent and guardian responsibility in raising children and taking interest in their interests, and allowing them to be socialized is all very sound logic.

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Japan has tons of violence in games, tv, film and magazines. Not tons of shootings. Your logic sucks.

no. parent and guardian responsibility in raising children and taking interest in their interests, and allowing them to be socialized is all very sound logic.

I meant Heads take that the violence in games impacts shootings.

zombie wrote:if the art you partake in doesn't make you think or feel things, then you need to find something better!

Slaughterhouserock wrote:

zombie wrote:if the art you partake in doesn't make you think or feel things, then you need to find something better!

I seek nothing more than the simple joy of entertainment in all media. In fact, I loathe most films that have a message, or are supposed to be anything other than entertaining. This is something I've said on these boards since the old IMDB days. Fuck your art, just give me something fun to do/watch for a little while.

showa58taro wrote:Japan has tons of violence in games, tv, film and magazines. Not tons of shootings. Your logic sucks.

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Headhunter wrote:

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zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Acting like death machines the can kill tons of people very quickly are irrelevant is a silly thing to do. The gun argument always gets dumbed down to a guns vs. mental health thing, but the "anti-gun" people also support mental health initiatives that Republicans always gut. Republicans' actual solutions to this stuff are for more God in schools.

it's still a way to avoid parental and local responsibility. but at least it's toward something that is designed to cause harm or death. regulate them. then restrict them. then ban them.... and then move onto the next thing that can be used to avoid personal responsibility.

It's a choice of some change vs. no change.

i like that we just had this whole discussion about parents taking responsibility... and now it's either do something about guns, or do nothing.

Well, you can implement common sense reforms that will cut down on tragedies, or you can not do that and have more tragedies than otherwise. I don't know what the hang-up on that idea is, it's a fact. They will happen less often. Obviously the parents taking responsibility is also important, but we can address multiple concerns at once.

i don't have to like it, but let's do it. let's regulate guns or restrict guns. whatever satisfies. then we can move on to the next thing that will cut down on tragedies.

Is that supposed to be bad, working to find solutions to cut down on tragedies? If there's something else you can do that cut the deaths down even further, that's even better. This is how problem solving works. It's a lot more productive than "nothing can be done so don't try".

it depends on your point of view. comic books were a dangerous influence on children. rock music needed to be regulated for our safety. now, it's video games. that will be the next thing after guns are handled.

it is funny how you always try to shame me into your position.

Would love to see someone walk into a school and try to kill a bunch of people with a comic book or video game disc. Not comparable.

it isn't comparable. has that kept people from looking to those as *the problem*? will it keep them from looking back that way, when there aren't mass shootings anymore?

I don't understand why it's hard to view this as a multi-faceted issue where you attempt to address multiple aspects (guns, mental health, family dynamics). This hyper-focus on who to blame or the ONE thing to fix is so counterproductive.

i would like to see gun regulation, as it relates to people who show signs of being dangerous. some other people would like to see a federal ban on guns.

will gun regulation (on the lower end) or gun ban (on the extreme end) be good enough, as a solution, for people to take more personal responsibility with their children and the peers of their children?

Headhunter wrote: Quit with the gun ban stuff. As I said earlier, NRA makes bank because so many suckers believe that crap.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote: Quit with the gun ban stuff. As I said earlier, NRA makes bank because so many suckers believe that crap.