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Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:I'm gonna say one more thing and just drop it. My life has been way better not arguing bullshit. Anyway....here it goes.

1. I think it would be more plausible for foreign governments to influence Americans into mistrusting each other and using confusion than it is for one political party to go all out with the rest of the world with a pandemic just to win fucking elections.

There. And I'm done. Lol. See ya in the sports threads.

You don't think foreign entities collude with corrupt American politicians on both sides?

Bengals 5-12

I've known a guy who teaches about vaccines since the 90s and actually works on them. Met him through the Bengals forum, ironically. Hates democrats. Says these conspiracies and mistrust about vaccines is pure stupidity. Goes by Beaker. Awesome guy.

It's not mistrust on my end (aside from my blood clot thing), it's recognizing its ineffectiveness and the big thing is getting the government involved in forcing the needle into your ass. I encourage my parents to get it. They're getting up there in age and while it's largely ineffective, it's better than nothing. I just don't need it, and don't want it, and don't want the government holding my freedom at gunpoint for not taking the lab. If the government gets involved, something else is in play.

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:I'm gonna say one more thing and just drop it. My life has been way better not arguing bullshit. Anyway....here it goes.

1. I think it would be more plausible for foreign governments to influence Americans into mistrusting each other and using confusion than it is for one political party to go all out with the rest of the world with a pandemic just to win fucking elections.

There. And I'm done. Lol. See ya in the sports threads.

You don't think foreign entities collude with corrupt American politicians on both sides?

Bengals 5-12

I've known a guy who teaches about vaccines since the 90s and actually works on them. Met him through the Bengals forum, ironically. Hates democrats. Says these conspiracies and mistrust about vaccines is pure stupidity. Goes by Beaker. Awesome guy.

It's not mistrust on my end (aside from my blood clot thing), it's recognizing its ineffectiveness and the big thing is getting the government involved in forcing the needle into your ass. I encourage my parents to get it. They're getting up there in age and while it's ineffective, it's better than nothing. I just don't need it, and don't want it, and don't want the government holding my freedom at gunpoint for not taking the lab. If the government gets involved, something else is in play.

Its damned if you do or don't either way. People refusing to get it are fucking it up for everyone else. People like you are the exception. If someone is healthy, they should get it so the rest of us can get the fuck on with our lives.

You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:I'm gonna say one more thing and just drop it. My life has been way better not arguing bullshit. Anyway....here it goes.

1. I think it would be more plausible for foreign governments to influence Americans into mistrusting each other and using confusion than it is for one political party to go all out with the rest of the world with a pandemic just to win fucking elections.

There. And I'm done. Lol. See ya in the sports threads.

You don't think foreign entities collude with corrupt American politicians on both sides?

Bengals 5-12

I've known a guy who teaches about vaccines since the 90s and actually works on them. Met him through the Bengals forum, ironically. Hates democrats. Says these conspiracies and mistrust about vaccines is pure stupidity. Goes by Beaker. Awesome guy.

It's not mistrust on my end (aside from my blood clot thing), it's recognizing its ineffectiveness and the big thing is getting the government involved in forcing the needle into your ass. I encourage my parents to get it. They're getting up there in age and while it's ineffective, it's better than nothing. I just don't need it, and don't want it, and don't want the government holding my freedom at gunpoint for not taking the lab. If the government gets involved, something else is in play.

Its damned if you do or don't either way. People refusing to get it are fucking it up for everyone else. People like you are the exception. If someone is healthy, they should get it so the rest of us can get the fuck on with our lives.

See, this is the problem. The government is holding your freedoms at gunpoint and because you agree with the vaccination, naturally you go against those who oppose it. People who refuse the vaccine think the same thing about you. The real boogeyman is the government holding your freedom at gunpoint. Doctor-patient confidentiality used to be a thing. Fairly recently, actually. Lol

And to anyone who still has questions about the vaccine, I did asked my friend if I could repost something he said that I think explains everything in a pretty easy to understand way. I'm only posting so you can make better decisions.-

"With every infection, we are giving the virus opportunity to mutate and create new variants. When you are infected, whether you get sick, or are asymptomatic, the virus injects its genetic code into your cells and uses your cells genetic mechanisms to make copies of itself. Every time a copy is made, there is a chance for an error....that is what a mutation is. Mostly those errors are a disadvantage, or neutral mutation. But every so often, one gives the virus a new advantage and becomes a new variant.

The delta (4th) variant is more contagious, and usually makes people sicker. It is even able to infect some vaccinated people since no vaccine in 100% effective. The real danger is if a new variant emerges that can evade the current vaccines. Then we are back to square one. Or the worst case scenario....a new variant that not only evades vaccines, but is also deadlier.

Cold and flu are both types of corona virus. The reason we need flu shots and cannot cure the common cold is because they have been around humans for literally thousands of years and have so many different variants that we cannot realistically keep up with all the variants. We have the chance to cut this virus off at the pass BEFORE it can get enough variants out there to be as ubiquitous as the cold or flu.

So I don't care about your personal freedoms, I don't care if you don't think its dangerous, I don't care if you think its a hoax. All those are simply ridiculous, self centered reasons for not caring about humanity as a whole. So STFU, and get vaccinated. I don't even care if your employer says you have to get it to stay employed. If you're that selfish, then good....get vaccinated or get fired. If you don't care about other humans, then I don't care that you're now unemployed.

Everybody needs to think this through at a level beyond themselves.

Rant off."

Americans gotta stop with the free-dumb bullshit. A nation full of people who still daydream about being cowboys in the Wild West. Yeehaw, motherfuckers.

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:I'm gonna say one more thing and just drop it. My life has been way better not arguing bullshit. Anyway....here it goes.

1. I think it would be more plausible for foreign governments to influence Americans into mistrusting each other and using confusion than it is for one political party to go all out with the rest of the world with a pandemic just to win fucking elections.

There. And I'm done. Lol. See ya in the sports threads.

You don't think foreign entities collude with corrupt American politicians on both sides?

Bengals 5-12

I've known a guy who teaches about vaccines since the 90s and actually works on them. Met him through the Bengals forum, ironically. Hates democrats. Says these conspiracies and mistrust about vaccines is pure stupidity. Goes by Beaker. Awesome guy.

It's not mistrust on my end (aside from my blood clot thing), it's recognizing its ineffectiveness and the big thing is getting the government involved in forcing the needle into your ass. I encourage my parents to get it. They're getting up there in age and while it's ineffective, it's better than nothing. I just don't need it, and don't want it, and don't want the government holding my freedom at gunpoint for not taking the lab. If the government gets involved, something else is in play.

Its damned if you do or don't either way. People refusing to get it are fucking it up for everyone else. People like you are the exception. If someone is healthy, they should get it so the rest of us can get the fuck on with our lives.

See, this is the problem. The government is holding your freedoms at gunpoint and because you agree with the vaccination, naturally you go against those who oppose it. People who refuse the vaccine think the same thing about you. The real boogeyman is the government holding your freedom at gunpoint. Doctor-patient confidentiality used to be a thing. Fairly recently, actually. Lol

Like I said, I get it man. But what do ya do when peoples lives are at stake? What about our kids who will have to deal with worse if we don't nip this fucker in the bud?

I get it. But we ain't talking about retrieving rain water or making you let everyone know whether you have herpes or not.

Alot of places around here are gonna require a negative test for concerts and some food places for those who are too pussy to get the vaccine.

Headhunter wrote:You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Then we'll just be getting forced jabs our entire lives. This virus became endemic a year ago, and the fact that people think it will go away with vaccines is while we'll always be arguing with each other. If 100% of people got the vaccine, it would still be around. If we wanted this virus to actually die, I'm on record here saying it, you quarantine the elderly and the at-risk people (obese, etc..) and allow it to spread like wildfire and drastically reduce the host reservoir. There wouldn't have even been a second variant. But instead, two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home for two weeks and it'll all be over. Yeah, that was bull from the beginning and it was obvious.

Jmac Attack wrote:And to anyone who still has questions about the vaccine, I did asked my friend if I could repost something he said that I think explains everything in a pretty easy to understand way. I'm only posting so you can make better decisions.-

"With every infection, we are giving the virus opportunity to mutate and create new variants. When you are infected, whether you get sick, or are asymptomatic, the virus injects its genetic code into your cells and uses your cells genetic mechanisms to make copies of itself. Every time a copy is made, there is a chance for an error....that is what a mutation is. Mostly those errors are a disadvantage, or neutral mutation. But every so often, one gives the virus a new advantage and becomes a new variant.

The delta (4th) variant is more contagious, and usually makes people sicker. It is even able to infect some vaccinated people since no vaccine in 100% effective. The real danger is if a new variant emerges that can evade the current vaccines. Then we are back to square one. Or the worst case scenario....a new variant that not only evades vaccines, but is also deadlier.

Cold and flu are both types of corona virus. The reason we need flu shots and cannot cure the common cold is because they have been around humans for literally thousands of years and have so many different variants that we cannot realistically keep up with all the variants. We have the chance to cut this virus off at the pass BEFORE it can get enough variants out there to be as ubiquitous as the cold or flu.

So I don't care about your personal freedoms, I don't care if you don't think its dangerous, I don't care if you think its a hoax. All those are simply ridiculous, self centered reasons for not caring about humanity as a whole. So STFU, and get vaccinated. I don't even care if your employer says you have to get it to stay employed. If you're that selfish, then good....get vaccinated or get fired. If you don't care about other humans, then I don't care that you're now unemployed.

Everybody needs to think this through at a level beyond themselves.

Rant off."

As I just said, this virus is already endemic. There is no cutoff. It's here to stay. And luckily it's pretty weak. The only people who deserve to be shit on are not those who demand you get the vaccine or those who refuse the vaccine. It's Fauci, China and the WHO. They are responsible for all of this and are driving us against each other for political gain.

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What? Is Trump even playing a factor now? He is mr. irrelevant now. I'm sure Trump is making the black and minority communities have extremely low vaccine numbers, and Trump is letting immigrants over covid positive in droves across the border in all the hotspots, and has flip-flopped like the CDC at every turn... I mean come on. Trump boogeyman is gone.

Do you think Trump cult members would take the vaccine in greater numbers if he were president and the vaccine rollout happened under his watch?

Just to be clear, the reason I don’t bring up these other groups in this hypothetical isn’t because of some political bias. It’s because most wouldn’t have taken the vaccine under Trump either. The control group in this hypothetical is the cult of Trump. I’m certain we’d have a higher vaccination rate overall because more of these people would have taken it with the open approval of their hero. Not sure how you can spin a better public health outcome (albeit for silly reasons) as some Trump derangement thing.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Then we'll just be getting forced jabs our entire lives. This virus became endemic a year ago, and the fact that people think it will go away with vaccines is while we'll always be arguing with each other. If 100% of people got the vaccine, it would still be around. If we wanted this virus to actually die, I'm on record here saying it, you quarantine the elderly and the at-risk people (obese, etc..) and allow it to spread like wildfire and drastically reduce the host reservoir. There wouldn't have even been a second variant. But instead, two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home for two weeks and it'll all be over. Yeah, that was bull from the beginning and it was obvious.

I take the flu shot every year and I’m good with it. I’m not irrationally afraid of “jabs”.

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What? Is Trump even playing a factor now? He is mr. irrelevant now. I'm sure Trump is making the black and minority communities have extremely low vaccine numbers, and Trump is letting immigrants over covid positive in droves across the border in all the hotspots, and has flip-flopped like the CDC at every turn... I mean come on. Trump boogeyman is gone.

Do you think Trump cult members would take the vaccine in greater numbers if he were president and the vaccine rollout happened under his watch?

Just to be clear, the reason I don’t bring up these other groups in this hypothetical isn’t because of some political bias. It’s because most wouldn’t have taken the vaccine under Trump either. The control group in this hypothetical is the cult of Trump. I’m certain we’d have a higher vaccination rate overall because more of these people would have taken it with the open approval of their hero. Not sure how you can spin a better public health outcome (albeit for silly reasons) as some Trump derangement thing.

The same can be said for the left. Biden and Harris are on video saying the exact same shit people on the right are saying. Both of them. On video. Want me to find it? I'll get it for you...

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Then we'll just be getting forced jabs our entire lives. This virus became endemic a year ago, and the fact that people think it will go away with vaccines is while we'll always be arguing with each other. If 100% of people got the vaccine, it would still be around. If we wanted this virus to actually die, I'm on record here saying it, you quarantine the elderly and the at-risk people (obese, etc..) and allow it to spread like wildfire and drastically reduce the host reservoir. There wouldn't have even been a second variant. But instead, two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home for two weeks and it'll all be over. Yeah, that was bull from the beginning and it was obvious.

I take the flu shot every year and I’m good with it. I’m not irrationally afraid of “jabs”.

I get a pneumococcal every five years, and a laryngitis every 2 years. Both because of spleen removal. I got the flu too. All this year and at the same time...

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What? Is Trump even playing a factor now? He is mr. irrelevant now. I'm sure Trump is making the black and minority communities have extremely low vaccine numbers, and Trump is letting immigrants over covid positive in droves across the border in all the hotspots, and has flip-flopped like the CDC at every turn... I mean come on. Trump boogeyman is gone.

Do you think Trump cult members would take the vaccine in greater numbers if he were president and the vaccine rollout happened under his watch?

Just to be clear, the reason I don’t bring up these other groups in this hypothetical isn’t because of some political bias. It’s because most wouldn’t have taken the vaccine under Trump either. The control group in this hypothetical is the cult of Trump. I’m certain we’d have a higher vaccination rate overall because more of these people would have taken it with the open approval of their hero. Not sure how you can spin a better public health outcome (albeit for silly reasons) as some Trump derangement thing.

The same can be said for the left. Biden and Harris are on video saying the exact same shit people on the right are saying. Both of them. On video. Want me to find it? I'll get it for you...

Did you quote the wrong post or something? What is “the same can be said for the left” a response to?

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Then we'll just be getting forced jabs our entire lives. This virus became endemic a year ago, and the fact that people think it will go away with vaccines is while we'll always be arguing with each other. If 100% of people got the vaccine, it would still be around. If we wanted this virus to actually die, I'm on record here saying it, you quarantine the elderly and the at-risk people (obese, etc..) and allow it to spread like wildfire and drastically reduce the host reservoir. There wouldn't have even been a second variant. But instead, two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home for two weeks and it'll all be over. Yeah, that was bull from the beginning and it was obvious.

I take the flu shot every year and I’m good with it. I’m not irrationally afraid of “jabs”.

I get a pneumococcal every five years, and a laryngitis every 2 years. Both because of spleen removal. I got the flu too. All this year and at the same time...

So…what, you want me to stop taking flu shots? Misery loves company? What are you talking about here?

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What? Is Trump even playing a factor now? He is mr. irrelevant now. I'm sure Trump is making the black and minority communities have extremely low vaccine numbers, and Trump is letting immigrants over covid positive in droves across the border in all the hotspots, and has flip-flopped like the CDC at every turn... I mean come on. Trump boogeyman is gone.

Do you think Trump cult members would take the vaccine in greater numbers if he were president and the vaccine rollout happened under his watch?

Just to be clear, the reason I don’t bring up these other groups in this hypothetical isn’t because of some political bias. It’s because most wouldn’t have taken the vaccine under Trump either. The control group in this hypothetical is the cult of Trump. I’m certain we’d have a higher vaccination rate overall because more of these people would have taken it with the open approval of their hero. Not sure how you can spin a better public health outcome (albeit for silly reasons) as some Trump derangement thing.

The same can be said for the left. Biden and Harris are on video saying the exact same shit people on the right are saying. Both of them. On video. Want me to find it? I'll get it for you...

Did you quote the wrong post or something? What is “the same can be said for the left” a response to?

Biden and Harris refused the vaccine under Trump's administration. "Who's gonna take the shot?!?!?!" Now after the election shenanigans, Biden not only took it (maybe), he is trying to make every human in America get it. Pathetic

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Then we'll just be getting forced jabs our entire lives. This virus became endemic a year ago, and the fact that people think it will go away with vaccines is while we'll always be arguing with each other. If 100% of people got the vaccine, it would still be around. If we wanted this virus to actually die, I'm on record here saying it, you quarantine the elderly and the at-risk people (obese, etc..) and allow it to spread like wildfire and drastically reduce the host reservoir. There wouldn't have even been a second variant. But instead, two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home for two weeks and it'll all be over. Yeah, that was bull from the beginning and it was obvious.

I take the flu shot every year and I’m good with it. I’m not irrationally afraid of “jabs”.

I get a pneumococcal every five years, and a laryngitis every 2 years. Both because of spleen removal. I got the flu too. All this year and at the same time...

So…what, you want me to stop taking flu shots? Misery loves company? What are you talking about here?

*shrug
I don't care what vaccine you take or don't take. But apparently you care what vaccine I should take?

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What? Is Trump even playing a factor now? He is mr. irrelevant now. I'm sure Trump is making the black and minority communities have extremely low vaccine numbers, and Trump is letting immigrants over covid positive in droves across the border in all the hotspots, and has flip-flopped like the CDC at every turn... I mean come on. Trump boogeyman is gone.

Do you think Trump cult members would take the vaccine in greater numbers if he were president and the vaccine rollout happened under his watch?

Just to be clear, the reason I don’t bring up these other groups in this hypothetical isn’t because of some political bias. It’s because most wouldn’t have taken the vaccine under Trump either. The control group in this hypothetical is the cult of Trump. I’m certain we’d have a higher vaccination rate overall because more of these people would have taken it with the open approval of their hero. Not sure how you can spin a better public health outcome (albeit for silly reasons) as some Trump derangement thing.

The same can be said for the left. Biden and Harris are on video saying the exact same shit people on the right are saying. Both of them. On video. Want me to find it? I'll get it for you...

Did you quote the wrong post or something? What is “the same can be said for the left” a response to?

Biden and Harris refused the vaccine under Trump's administration. "Who's gonna take the shot?!?!?!" Now after the election shenanigans, Biden not only took it (maybe), he is trying to make every human in America get it. Pathetic

Okay, so your theory is that the group who took the virus seriously from the beginning under Trump would then not take it seriously after a year under Trump? That’s…some theory there…

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:You’re very wrong Jason but at least you’ve practiced some civic responsibility in encouraging family to get it. That you can’t take it for health related reasons is why more healthy people need to.

Then we'll just be getting forced jabs our entire lives. This virus became endemic a year ago, and the fact that people think it will go away with vaccines is while we'll always be arguing with each other. If 100% of people got the vaccine, it would still be around. If we wanted this virus to actually die, I'm on record here saying it, you quarantine the elderly and the at-risk people (obese, etc..) and allow it to spread like wildfire and drastically reduce the host reservoir. There wouldn't have even been a second variant. But instead, two weeks to flatten the curve, stay home for two weeks and it'll all be over. Yeah, that was bull from the beginning and it was obvious.

I take the flu shot every year and I’m good with it. I’m not irrationally afraid of “jabs”.

I get a pneumococcal every five years, and a laryngitis every 2 years. Both because of spleen removal. I got the flu too. All this year and at the same time...

So…what, you want me to stop taking flu shots? Misery loves company? What are you talking about here?

*shrug
I don't care what vaccine you take or don't take. But apparently you care what vaccine I should take?

You apparently can’t take it. So yes I care that healthy people with tin foil hats about Bill Gates and 5G and other insane nonsense do take it. These people are idiots and need to grow up and be responsible members of society.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What? Is Trump even playing a factor now? He is mr. irrelevant now. I'm sure Trump is making the black and minority communities have extremely low vaccine numbers, and Trump is letting immigrants over covid positive in droves across the border in all the hotspots, and has flip-flopped like the CDC at every turn... I mean come on. Trump boogeyman is gone.

Do you think Trump cult members would take the vaccine in greater numbers if he were president and the vaccine rollout happened under his watch?

Just to be clear, the reason I don’t bring up these other groups in this hypothetical isn’t because of some political bias. It’s because most wouldn’t have taken the vaccine under Trump either. The control group in this hypothetical is the cult of Trump. I’m certain we’d have a higher vaccination rate overall because more of these people would have taken it with the open approval of their hero. Not sure how you can spin a better public health outcome (albeit for silly reasons) as some Trump derangement thing.

The same can be said for the left. Biden and Harris are on video saying the exact same shit people on the right are saying. Both of them. On video. Want me to find it? I'll get it for you...

Did you quote the wrong post or something? What is “the same can be said for the left” a response to?

Biden and Harris refused the vaccine under Trump's administration. "Who's gonna take the shot?!?!?!" Now after the election shenanigans, Biden not only took it (maybe), he is trying to make every human in America get it. Pathetic

Okay, so your theory is that the group who took the virus seriously from the beginning under Trump would then not take it seriously after a year under Trump? That’s…some theory there…

What theory? They're on record saying they won't take the vaccine under Trump's administration. They completely flipped after the election nonsense...