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Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:26 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote:Seriously, Jason, how are you still so butthurt that you weren't able to teach me who Hersh was? Are you ever going to let it go or are you content to whine and cry to me about it every day? Man up, you're just embarrassing yourself.
That post was not written in a way of "I'll show him". Go back and read it. Could've led to a great discussion about his involvement and exposure of other historical, political incidents, but you took it personally. Or just didn't want to give him credit in that particular thread, I don't know.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:27 pm
by Jason
zombie wrote:Jason wrote:zombie wrote:well i tried to discuss it with you. *shrug*
Why did you stop?
cause you ignored my posts.
I responded to the last post you made before this page.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:31 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Seriously, Jason, how are you still so butthurt that you weren't able to teach me who Hersh was? Are you ever going to let it go or are you content to whine and cry to me about it every day? Man up, you're just embarrassing yourself.
That post was not written in a way of "I'll show him". Go back and read it. Could've led to a great discussion about his involvement and exposure of other historical, political incidents, but you took it personally. Or just didn't want to give him credit in that particular thread, I don't know.
You first framed it by suggesting I must have no idea who the guy was to write what I wrote. Then you posted a big wall of text that looked like an explanation about stuff I already knew. Yes, I know who one of the most famous investigative journalists of all time is. I made my point about his shaky credibility at this point in time and then you wanted to explain to me why a guy I was already talking about was famous. That makes no sense to me.
What the fuck kind of discussion would have satisfied you? If I read it I would have acknowledged his successes and it wouldn't have altered my original point in a single way. You weren't robbed of anything here, count your losses and move on.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:33 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:35 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
Why do you keep justifying the racism of white identitarians? "You MADE us racist..."
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:36 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Seriously, Jason, how are you still so butthurt that you weren't able to teach me who Hersh was? Are you ever going to let it go or are you content to whine and cry to me about it every day? Man up, you're just embarrassing yourself.
That post was not written in a way of "I'll show him". Go back and read it. Could've led to a great discussion about his involvement and exposure of other historical, political incidents, but you took it personally. Or just didn't want to give him credit in that particular thread, I don't know.
You first framed it by suggesting I must have no idea who the guy was to write what I wrote. Then you posted a big wall of text that looked like an explanation about stuff I already knew. Yes, I know who one of the most famous investigative journalists of all time is. I made my point about his shaky credibility at this point in time and then you wanted to explain to me why a guy I was already talking about was famous. That makes no sense to me.
I don't doubt you know who he is, and everything I posted about him, but you discredited him to fit your belief that Seth Rich wasn't murdered within the DNC. All the pieces already fit, and now the most credible journalist in our nation's history is essentially confirming it, and you dismiss him as senile.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:36 pm
by zombie
Jason wrote:
Obama's first act as president was racially condemning a cop for being white, accusing him a racism because he was responding to the scene of a 911 call reporting that a man was breaking into a home. The man was arrested, threw a fit while being arrested, told the cop "you don't know who you're messing with", claimed the house was his, but initially refused to give him I.D. to prove who he was, which led to even more chaos.
He blamed white people when Trayvon Martin was killed by the half-hispanic. He blamed white police for killing MIchael Brown. But remained silent when white cops were blatantly targeted and murdered for being white, ignored black panther groups harassing and intimidating white voters during both his elections, said nothing about the black kids who kidnapped, tied up and beat the fucking piss out of a retarded kid for being retarded and for being white. "Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck white people, boi".
Obama is a racist piece of shit, intentionally provoking a race war through his political platform that is going to set this country back in race relations for many years. Any blood is on that scumbags hands.
hmm... lost this among the other stuff. my mistake. sorry.
who was the first guy, so i get some context beyond what you're presenting? trayvon martin should not have been killed.
i don't like obama. maybe he handled things badly. and aggravate existing tensions. but he did not start racism. that is what i'm saying. and a lot of people expected him to end it, magically somehow.
do you want to focus solely on obama now? you started out with more, seemingly.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:37 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
Why do you keep justifying the racism of white identitarians? "You MADE us racist..."
That's what you got out of that... ... ... ... ...
I have to go to bed.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:37 pm
by Jason
zombie wrote:Jason wrote:
Obama's first act as president was racially condemning a cop for being white, accusing him a racism because he was responding to the scene of a 911 call reporting that a man was breaking into a home. The man was arrested, threw a fit while being arrested, told the cop "you don't know who you're messing with", claimed the house was his, but initially refused to give him I.D. to prove who he was, which led to even more chaos.
He blamed white people when Trayvon Martin was killed by the half-hispanic. He blamed white police for killing MIchael Brown. But remained silent when white cops were blatantly targeted and murdered for being white, ignored black panther groups harassing and intimidating white voters during both his elections, said nothing about the black kids who kidnapped, tied up and beat the fucking piss out of a retarded kid for being retarded and for being white. "Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck white people, boi".
Obama is a racist piece of shit, intentionally provoking a race war through his political platform that is going to set this country back in race relations for many years. Any blood is on that scumbags hands.
hmm... lost this among the other stuff. my mistake. sorry.
who was the first guy, so i get some context beyond what you're presenting? trayvon martin should not have been killed.
i don't like obama. maybe he handled things badly. and aggravate existing tensions. but he did not start racism. that is what i'm saying. and a lot of people expected him to end it, magically somehow.
do you want to focus solely on obama now? you started out with more, seemingly.
It was Henry Louis Gates.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:38 pm
by Headhunter
Jason, the reason I'm asking you what happened in AA history from the Civil War until now is because in your arguments you keep presuming that they've had complete equality of opportunity since the end of the Civil War and I can't discuss this with you if you're going to ignore 100+ years of social, economic and political context. You're always so confidently dismissing the struggles of black people in this country, so now put up or shut up. What have they faced since they were freed?
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:39 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
Why do you keep justifying the racism of white identitarians? "You MADE us racist..."
That's what you got out of that... ... ... ... ...
I have to go to bed.
Yes. This all started with you justifying and rationalizing the hateful ideologies of white identitarians. You brought them up originally, remember?
Black people hate that other people somehow hate them even though they're like 10% of the population and segregated out of 99% of white people's daily lives. White people hate black people because they subscribe to an evil and hateful ideology. There's no comparison. And btw, when I say "white people", that doesn't mean "ALL white people". You snowflakes need to toughen up on that shit.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:44 pm
by zombie
Jason wrote:zombie wrote:Jason wrote:
Obama's first act as president was racially condemning a cop for being white, accusing him a racism because he was responding to the scene of a 911 call reporting that a man was breaking into a home. The man was arrested, threw a fit while being arrested, told the cop "you don't know who you're messing with", claimed the house was his, but initially refused to give him I.D. to prove who he was, which led to even more chaos.
He blamed white people when Trayvon Martin was killed by the half-hispanic. He blamed white police for killing MIchael Brown. But remained silent when white cops were blatantly targeted and murdered for being white, ignored black panther groups harassing and intimidating white voters during both his elections, said nothing about the black kids who kidnapped, tied up and beat the fucking piss out of a retarded kid for being retarded and for being white. "Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck white people, boi".
Obama is a racist piece of shit, intentionally provoking a race war through his political platform that is going to set this country back in race relations for many years. Any blood is on that scumbags hands.
hmm... lost this among the other stuff. my mistake. sorry.
who was the first guy, so i get some context beyond what you're presenting? trayvon martin should not have been killed.
i don't like obama. maybe he handled things badly. and aggravate existing tensions. but he did not start racism. that is what i'm saying. and a lot of people expected him to end it, magically somehow.
do you want to focus solely on obama now? you started out with more, seemingly.
It was Henry Louis Gates.
it seems like the situation was handled badly by the cops, more than anyone else. he's a well regarded author, from what i'm reading, and he was in his own home. why was he thought to have been breaking in? i'll look further if you don't have an answer,
"The President eventually extended an invitation to both Gates and the officer involved to share a beer with him at the White House" <-- is that true? was that during his presidency, or after?
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:47 pm
by Headhunter
How many white celebrities with a social media presence face daily harassment online because of the color of their skin? Every minority group as well as women face a barrage of discrimination on the web every day. Mostly women and Muslims who are attacked, but pretty much everyone but white dudes in totality.
Black militant groups arose out of the feeling that they needed to do what was necessary to survive in a hateful nation that did nothing to help their plight. White militant groups arose out of a feeling that minorities didn't and don't deserve the same opportunities they did. It's fucking mind-boggling to not be able to see the differences here.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:51 pm
by Headhunter
Apparently pointing out that African-Americans face discrimination in this country makes you a "racist piece of shit". Keep your mouth shut, blackie. Just take it.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:54 pm
by zombie
Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
honest scrutiny would be a good start, to move toward some kind of solution in all of this. meeting hate with hate is not a solution.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:00 pm
by zombie
"Black people were so angry at me. But we need to get some distance from the binary opposition we were raised in: evil white people and good black people. The world just isn't like that." <-- this gates guy sounds right up your alley, and you point to him as a main problem in all of this?
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:01 pm
by Headhunter
When did Obama blame "white" police officers for anything? Are you just misrepresenting the times Obama actually held trigger-happy cops and other assholes ike George Zimmerman to account for what they did, and that they happened to usually be white? Facing public scrutiny for fucking up at your job is racism to you? How fucking radicalized have you become?
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:17 pm
by Headhunter
zombie wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
honest scrutiny would be a good start, to move toward some kind of solution in all of this. meeting hate with hate is not a solution.
One side hates the other. The other side hates that they're hated by the other side.
This is not a "Hate meets Hate" situation at all.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:22 pm
by Headhunter
If it's not already apparent, the larger point is that the majority of black racism toward whites is a response to the racism they've faced and internalized. It's still racism but it's not the same as white supremacy, they're rooted in entirely different schools of thought. Black militants hate that they're not seeing the fruits of equality. White militants hate that they're no longer able to force inequality upon minorities and thus unable to unfairly benefit from the inefficiencies of an ACTUALLY discriminatory job market.
The frustration of getting shit on from above vs. the frustration of no longer being able to do the shitting. When you start from privilege, equality can feel like oppression.
Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:33 pm
by zombie
Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Jason wrote:Headhunter wrote:You froth at the mouth trashing Obama, Trevor Noah, Black Lives Matter and any notion that blacks are treated unfairly. But then plead for us to understand and be sympathetic to whites feeling marginalized in a society they've dominated for hundreds of years. It's hard to even believe, but somehow you actually think this way. I'm so sorry.
Obama, Noah, BLM, all scum. Yes.
I don't care what you think of whites, or what anyone thinks of whites, but when blacks decided two years ago to start riots and blame white people because of how the general black population is under-achieving, it's going to get scrutinized. Stop killing yourselves, stop killing white people, stop assaulting your girlfriends, stop getting into shoot outs with the police, stop robbing liquor stores. The impact on black culture will improve drastically. But nah, it's too easy for the "dindu nuffins" to blame white people.
honest scrutiny would be a good start, to move toward some kind of solution in all of this. meeting hate with hate is not a solution.
One side hates the other. The other side hates that they're hated by the other side.
This is not a "Hate meets Hate" situation at all.
that's how jason feels though, seemingly. "blm is hateful", so it's going to be met with hate from identitarians. actually looking into what's going on honestly, for a solution, is what i want to see.