Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Discussion of all non-horror films. Oscar-nominees, Razzie-winners, we won't judge.
Forum rules
Want people to like you? Try being nice.
Post Reply
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Why do you hate personal responsibility so much, Foo? HE destroyed himself, not the media. Why you're so hurt by the idea that people can be held accountable for having disgusting beliefs is beyond me. Why is Mel Gibson entitled to that unique privilege?

For reference, every one of these Charlottesville losers deserve to lose their jobs if spotted by their employers. I know conservatives don't understand the concept of free speech constitutionally at all, but it doesn't protect you from consequences in the private sector. Don't be mad people chose not to work with a POS, be mad at the POS for publicly exposing what a POS he is. That's his fault.
Would you advocate firing everyone from their jobs because the attend a Bkack Lives Matter protest? How about a marijuana legalization rally?
Evoking Adolf Hitler and calling for racial genocide is not equivalent to either case, so no, because I'm not stupid.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

So unfair that Mel Gibson had to face the consequences of his hate speech. Gotta blame everyone but the bigot!
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

I employ people who certainly feel differently than I do. One employee is a believer in black liberation movements and the other has bumper stickers all over her car about taxing the rich, taxing the churches, Bernie sanders, etc.

I ask them to not wear shirts with statements and to not park their car in sight. We chat all the time. Why should it be a problem?
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo wrote:I employ people who certainly feel differently than I do. One employee is a believer in black liberation movements and the other has bumper stickers all over her car about taxing the rich, taxing the churches, Bernie sanders, etc.

I ask them to not wear shirts with statements and to not park their car in sight. We chat all the time. Why should it be a problem?
Okay, here's a hypothetical that actually works.

You have to hire Mel Gibson. Even if you hate every aspect of the man and what he stands for, he's entitled to a job and if you don't hire him you'e being unfair.

Total loser talk.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Why do you hate personal responsibility so much, Foo? HE destroyed himself, not the media. Why you're so hurt by the idea that people can be held accountable for having disgusting beliefs is beyond me. Why is Mel Gibson entitled to that unique privilege?

For reference, every one of these Charlottesville losers deserve to lose their jobs if spotted by their employers. I know conservatives don't understand the concept of free speech constitutionally at all, but it doesn't protect you from consequences in the private sector. Don't be mad people chose not to work with a POS, be mad at the POS for publicly exposing what a POS he is. That's his fault.
Would you advocate firing everyone from their jobs because the attend a Bkack Lives Matter protest? How about a marijuana legalization rally?
Evoking Adolf Hitler and calling for racial genocide is not equivalent to either case, so no, because I'm not stupid.
So basically, you will tolerate some times of politics and not others, and those you do not tolerate deserve to lose their jobs?
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Why do you hate personal responsibility so much, Foo? HE destroyed himself, not the media. Why you're so hurt by the idea that people can be held accountable for having disgusting beliefs is beyond me. Why is Mel Gibson entitled to that unique privilege?

For reference, every one of these Charlottesville losers deserve to lose their jobs if spotted by their employers. I know conservatives don't understand the concept of free speech constitutionally at all, but it doesn't protect you from consequences in the private sector. Don't be mad people chose not to work with a POS, be mad at the POS for publicly exposing what a POS he is. That's his fault.
Would you advocate firing everyone from their jobs because the attend a Bkack Lives Matter protest? How about a marijuana legalization rally?
Evoking Adolf Hitler and calling for racial genocide is not equivalent to either case, so no, because I'm not stupid.
So basically, you will tolerate some times of politics and not others, and those you do not tolerate deserve to lose their jobs?
It is not politics to suggest black people are or are not not human beings. So no.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

So Foo, why should people have been forced to work with or hire Mel Gibson? What's unfair about personal choice?
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I employ people who certainly feel differently than I do. One employee is a believer in black liberation movements and the other has bumper stickers all over her car about taxing the rich, taxing the churches, Bernie sanders, etc.

I ask them to not wear shirts with statements and to not park their car in sight. We chat all the time. Why should it be a problem?
Okay, here's a hypothetical that actually works.

You have to hire Mel Gibson. Even if you hate every aspect of the man and what he stands for, he's entitled to a job and if you don't hire him you'e being unfair.

Total loser talk.
Can Mel flip burgers? He seems spry and witty. Would hire.

I would also hire Malcom X to flip burgers if he was alive. Or Fidel Castro. Hugo Chavez, not so much, looked lethargic to me. Now Putin, you know that dude will work...
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

"It's so unfair that a rich celebrity could ever be held accountable for his bigotry!"

Does Hollywood need a "bigot" quota to promote the fairness you're looking for? I didn't know you sought expansion to Affirmative Action.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
Jmac Attack
Charter Member
Posts: 5402
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 10:20 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Jmac Attack »

Foo- "I think you're the perfect candidate for the job. Is there anything you want to say before we end this interview?"

Applicant- "Yeah, I hate whitey, and yo mom's a ho."

Foo- "You're hired. We value diversity of opinions here!"
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Headhunter wrote:So Foo, why should people have been forced to work with or hire Mel Gibson? What's unfair about personal choice?
Is being forced to work with the opposite of blackballing?

No one should be forced to. Seems odd there is no market for a person with his accomplishments, though.
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I employ people who certainly feel differently than I do. One employee is a believer in black liberation movements and the other has bumper stickers all over her car about taxing the rich, taxing the churches, Bernie sanders, etc.

I ask them to not wear shirts with statements and to not park their car in sight. We chat all the time. Why should it be a problem?
Okay, here's a hypothetical that actually works.

You have to hire Mel Gibson. Even if you hate every aspect of the man and what he stands for, he's entitled to a job and if you don't hire him you'e being unfair.

Total loser talk.
Can Mel flip burgers? He seems spry and witty. Would hire.

I would also hire Malcom X to flip burgers if he was alive. Or Fidel Castro. Hugo Chavez, not so much, looked lethargic to me. Now Putin, you know that dude will work...
So nobody should have any personal choice in who they will or won't work. And it's everyone's fault but the guy who put himself in that position. Again, Foo, why do you hate personal responsibility so much?
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Jmac Attack wrote:Foo- "I think you're the perfect candidate for the job. Is there anything you want to say before we end this interview?"

Applicant- "Yeah, I hate whitey, and yo mom's a ho."

Foo- "You're hired. We value diversity of opinions here!"
It is well known that people can say anything to me as long as they work and treat the customers with respect. If I have a problem with one, it is almost assuredly because they are not doing enough, not because they are saying too much.
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:So Foo, why should people have been forced to work with or hire Mel Gibson? What's unfair about personal choice?
Is being forced to work with the opposite of blackballing?

No one should be forced to. Seems odd there is no market for a person with his accomplishments, though.
Uh, this may be news to you, but a group of people choosing not to work with someone known to be a piece of shit is not black balling, it's common sense, but cue the unfounded conspiracy theories.

Who was it that ranted about Jews? Who told a woman she should be raped by niggers? Who is responsible for those statements and their ensuing consequences?
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I employ people who certainly feel differently than I do. One employee is a believer in black liberation movements and the other has bumper stickers all over her car about taxing the rich, taxing the churches, Bernie sanders, etc.

I ask them to not wear shirts with statements and to not park their car in sight. We chat all the time. Why should it be a problem?
Okay, here's a hypothetical that actually works.

You have to hire Mel Gibson. Even if you hate every aspect of the man and what he stands for, he's entitled to a job and if you don't hire him you'e being unfair.

Total loser talk.
Can Mel flip burgers? He seems spry and witty. Would hire.

I would also hire Malcom X to flip burgers if he was alive. Or Fidel Castro. Hugo Chavez, not so much, looked lethargic to me. Now Putin, you know that dude will work...
So nobody should have any personal choice in who they will or won't work. And it's everyone's fault but the guy who put himself in that position. Again, Foo, why do you hate personal responsibility so much?
To me, it is all whining. Go to work, work hard, go home. I hope people can have fun in the process. People should be more focused on making themselves better, not he person they work with. Everyone has flaws, but ultimately we can only effectively address our own.
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo is actually arguing that bigots deserve affirmative action because the consequences of being exposed as racist/sexist/etc. are "unfair". You can't make this stuff up. :lol:
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:So Foo, why should people have been forced to work with or hire Mel Gibson? What's unfair about personal choice?
Is being forced to work with the opposite of blackballing?

No one should be forced to. Seems odd there is no market for a person with his accomplishments, though.
Uh, this may be news to you, but a group of people choosing not to work with someone known to be a piece of shit is not black balling, it's common sense, but cue the unfounded conspiracy theories.

Who was it that ranted about Jews? Who told a woman she should be raped by niggers? Who is responsible for those statements and their ensuing consequences?
Wasn't he whole raping thing a warning about not hanging out with certain types, rather than a threat?
User avatar
Foo
Administrator
Posts: 5387
Joined: Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Foo »

Headhunter wrote:Foo is actually arguing that bigots deserve affirmative action because the consequences of being exposed as racist/sexist/etc. are "unfair". You can't make this stuff up. :lol:
Everyone is racist and sexist. No affirmative action needed.
Jmac Attack
Charter Member
Posts: 5402
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 10:20 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Jmac Attack »

Foo wrote:
Jmac Attack wrote:Foo- "I think you're the perfect candidate for the job. Is there anything you want to say before we end this interview?"

Applicant- "Yeah, I hate whitey, and yo mom's a ho."

Foo- "You're hired. We value diversity of opinions here!"
It is well known that people can say anything to me as long as they work and treat the customers with respect. If I have a problem with one, it is almost assuredly because they are not doing enough, not because they are saying too much.
So, you would roll the dice and hope that the dude wouldn't be more likely to spit in whiteys burgers?
User avatar
Headhunter
Charter Member
Posts: 11069
Joined: Sun May 21, 2017 11:06 am

Re: Is Tom Cruise the Greatest Movie Star of All Time?

Post by Headhunter »

Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I employ people who certainly feel differently than I do. One employee is a believer in black liberation movements and the other has bumper stickers all over her car about taxing the rich, taxing the churches, Bernie sanders, etc.

I ask them to not wear shirts with statements and to not park their car in sight. We chat all the time. Why should it be a problem?
Okay, here's a hypothetical that actually works.

You have to hire Mel Gibson. Even if you hate every aspect of the man and what he stands for, he's entitled to a job and if you don't hire him you'e being unfair.

Total loser talk.
Can Mel flip burgers? He seems spry and witty. Would hire.

I would also hire Malcom X to flip burgers if he was alive. Or Fidel Castro. Hugo Chavez, not so much, looked lethargic to me. Now Putin, you know that dude will work...
So nobody should have any personal choice in who they will or won't work. And it's everyone's fault but the guy who put himself in that position. Again, Foo, why do you hate personal responsibility so much?
To me, it is all whining. Go to work, work hard, go home. I hope people can have fun in the process. People should be more focused on making themselves better, not he person they work with. Everyone has flaws, but ultimately we can only effectively address our own.
Agreed, it's all whining. Whining from anyone who thinks Mel Gibson deserves the special privilege of avoiding consequences. Because of course nobody can ever be held to account for their actions, that would be unfair..

He made his bed, nobody else did. Stop crying for him, the only injustice in the whole thing was the media hyping up his "comeback" story.
Not removing until John Elway is fired.
Post Reply