Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[Reign in Blood]

He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

About ten years ago, the entire country was united in what they wanted in a candidate. No warmongers, someone who can't be bought by the establishment, a guy who will run against the corrupt elites in Washington. If you were to plug into a computer what the ideal candidate is that the public wanted, it would have shot out Donald Trump. The problem is that he ran with an R after his name. Everybody loved the guy. The people calling him Hitler, racist devil, holding up his severed head, and comparing his first election in 2016 to match the tragedy of 9-11 are the same people who loved him in the 80s and 90s. The billionaires he once got along so well with are funding corporate media to spout blatant lies and rhetoric in an attempt to smear him. People are waking up to it, though. But the smear campaign will never go away and he will always have the closed-minded detractors who will always find a reason not to like him no matter what happens. "But he fires people! Do we really want his finger on the nuclear button?!" Turned out he was the biggest proponent for peace in our entire lifetime.

I initially thought it was a joke when he ran, but when the media completely went ape shit on him in a way I had never seen them before, it made me really pay attention to him and come to the conclusion that he truly is fighting against the corruption. He's reforming the Republican party as we speak and maybe some time in the future the party as a whole can actually be respectable.

He seems like a good chap. Why does zombs despise reformers?

reform is like moving backwards. taking things away. like abortion was reformed. i only want to move forward.

This is the danger of media narrative. Abortion was not reformed. It was simply removed from federal mandate and down to individual states. So instead of the federal government deciding the law for you, each state will be allowed to make their own decision. They paint the narrative that it's taking away women's rights. Not only is it far more complicated than that, but they will never show you the statistics that women are close to 50-50 on it. It's far more complicated than "women's rights are taken away" or "you're killing a baby". Each side loves to play at the far end of the spectrum to create as much division as possible. The right decision is to put the decision in the hands of voters in each state, not federal government. From there, it's up to the general public to use their best judgment.

If I am a single man in a state where they'll allow abortion for any reason at any time, I have to use my best judgment on the type of woman I want to start a family with. Is she going to override my thoughts on the subject? If she is going to get an abortion without consulting with me, then she is not the right person for me. Thankfully I didn't marry a selfish crazy cat lady.

The women who don’t agree with abortions are certainly welcome to not get abortions.

That's kind of extreme and deflecting from the opposing viewpoint. That'd be like the opposite side saying women who've had abortions are murderers.

It’s extreme to say women who don’t want abortions don’t need to get abortions?

Yes. Women getting abortions at precisely the wrong times is partially why we are in this woman-made catastrophe.

[zombie]

i spoke too soon. michael giordano does insinuate that actors and talent were chosen because they're non-white. i don't know for what roles. i don't know the context of any of this. but fair. you can actually spin that into a conspiracy if you want to for sure.

i would counter that non-white actors and writers have been heavily excluded for decades and decades and never was it made out to be a conspiracy so big that it fell to the door of the president at whatever time. (though sometimes it did fall to influence by other countries like the whole red scare thing)

Spin what into a conspiracy? It's literally straight from the horses mouth. Lol. It's no conspiracy. It's flat out real.

you kind of just gestured at a conspiracy, so i got curious. can you answer a few questions... who is michael giordano to disney? i can't find much on him. what has he been involved with? what kind of success rate has he had with whatever projects he's handled? he seemed disgruntled with disney. could he just not be performing well within the company?

and what projects was he talking about that white men were excluded out of? if this was genuine reporting, these answers should be available. point toward them?

what is the actual conspiracy that he uncovered, beyond just disney possibly pandering to demographics he doesn't think they should be, or that you may not think they should be too?

[zombie]

I wouldn't say so. Disney is undergoing some exposure with undercover journalists. Disney is pushing hard against hiring straight white males for roles, put together gay pride events where naked gay guys are riding on bicycles in front of children. So wokeness and transgender indoctrination is definitely real.

it's only indoctrination to the right. it's capitalist pandering to a demographic to the left.

can you show me what those totally honest un-biased not at all to the right, undercover journalists have found?

Sure. Most of the proof is from Disney employees themselves.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujhqvpKQg8E

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vofr-cCrRU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyffDzqb_6U

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sntzHtOX5A

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GNDqhe70pxA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0CqMuhk2mY

the second video shows a bit with a guy (is that james o'keefe?) explaining that a very well qualified woman left disney because she didn't feel she was "white, jewish, or man enough" to go any farther within the company. he further states that if you want a place in the disney c-suite "you better be a white jewish man".

does it go both ways then? whites and non-whites alike are being excluded or held back in some way? what kind of conspiracy is that?

[Slaughterhouserock]

you kind of just gestured at a conspiracy, so i got curious. can you answer a few questions... who is michael giordano to disney? i can't find much on him. what has he been involved with? what kind of success rate has he had with whatever projects he's handled? he seemed disgruntled with disney. could he just not be performing well within the company?

and what projects was he talking about that white men were excluded out of? if this was genuine reporting, these answers should be available. point toward them?

what is the actual conspiracy that he uncovered, beyond just disney possibly pandering to demographics he doesn't think they should be, or that you may not think they should be too?

He was supposedly the VP of business affairs at the fox side of disney(his linkedin was deleted, dunno if he was, or if he's still is there). I've seen the videos in question and, if taken at face value, claim the anti-white hiring practice, especially when taken out of context or not knowing how the "interviews" came about.

Basically, the guy was recorded without his knowledge by "dates" from tinder or some such. The "interviewer" asked leading questions which wouldn't hold up in any sort of legal way. And since there was obvious interactions before the dates happened, we have no idea if the "interviewer" had inferred, or outright said, that they were against such practices which would lead to him thinking these would be favorable topics(i.e. guys are dumb, and we don't know if he was just saying what they wanted to hear to get laid given the setup). We also don't know if he's just a disgruntled guy that got passed up for a promotion and came up with this as an excuse. Again, given the setup of how this was recorded, it's not exactly "proof" of anything other than a guy saying shit to someone he thought he was on a date with.

[zombie]

you kind of just gestured at a conspiracy, so i got curious. can you answer a few questions... who is michael giordano to disney? i can't find much on him. what has he been involved with? what kind of success rate has he had with whatever projects he's handled? he seemed disgruntled with disney. could he just not be performing well within the company?

and what projects was he talking about that white men were excluded out of? if this was genuine reporting, these answers should be available. point toward them?

what is the actual conspiracy that he uncovered, beyond just disney possibly pandering to demographics he doesn't think they should be, or that you may not think they should be too?

He was supposedly the VP of business affairs at the fox side of disney(his linkedin was deleted, dunno if he was, or if he's still is there). I've seen the videos in question and, if taken at face value, claim the anti-white hiring practice, especially when taken out of context or not knowing how the "interviews" came about.

Basically, the guy was recorded without his knowledge by "dates" from tinder or some such. The "interviewer" asked leading questions which wouldn't hold up in any sort of legal way. And since there was obvious interactions before the dates happened, we have no idea if the "interviewer" had inferred, or outright said, that they were against such practices which would lead to him thinking these would be favorable topics(i.e. guys are dumb, and we don't know if he was just saying what they wanted to hear to get laid given the setup). We also don't know if he's just a disgruntled guy that got passed up for a promotion and came up with this as an excuse. Again, given the setup of how this was recorded, it's not exactly "proof" of anything other than a guy saying shit to someone he thought he was on a date with.

that tracks with what i've seen from james o'keefe's video clips in the past. he seems to have serious bias in a certain direction.

[Slaughterhouserock]

that tracks with what i've seen from james o'keefe's video clips in the past. he seems to have serious bias in a certain direction.

Oh, yeah. He's a right-wing nutjob. I only know about this cause someone I follow watched/talked about it. Could any of it be true? Sure. Could it be bullshit? Sure. But the way it was setup makes it unreliable.

[Jason]

It's not too big of a reach to say he could have been making shit up on a date (though, there are other videos of Disney employees saying similar shit), but it still is a reach. All signs point to what he is saying is actually true. And to insinuate that James O'keefe is a right wing nut job is totally unfounded and a discredit to undercover journalism.

But there is definitely no debate that Disney has put forth perverted pride events for children. There is literal undercover video posted from Disney's event itself of naked gay dudes on bicycles riding around in front of young children. Not so long ago this would've been universally considered perverted and disgusting with anyone involved in the event being thrown into prison, but suddenly it's wacky right wing nonsense to want to protect your children from such events.

[zombie]

It's not too big of a reach to say he could have been making shit up on a date (though, there are other videos of Disney employees saying similar shit), but it still is a reach. All signs point to what he is saying is actually true. And to insinuate that James O'keefe is a right wing nut job is totally unfounded and a discredit to undercover journalism.

But there is definitely no debate that Disney has put forth perverted pride events for children. There is literal undercover video posted from Disney's event itself of naked gay dudes on bicycles riding around in front of young children. Not so long ago this would've been universally considered perverted and disgusting with anyone involved in the event being thrown into prison, but suddenly it's wacky right wing nonsense to want to protect your children from such events.

that's a separate thing. those guys should be arrested if they're flashing or exposing themeslves to children. that isn't wacky bullshit but the other thing does appear to be.

[Jason]

It's not too big of a reach to say he could have been making shit up on a date (though, there are other videos of Disney employees saying similar shit), but it still is a reach. All signs point to what he is saying is actually true. And to insinuate that James O'keefe is a right wing nut job is totally unfounded and a discredit to undercover journalism.

But there is definitely no debate that Disney has put forth perverted pride events for children. There is literal undercover video posted from Disney's event itself of naked gay dudes on bicycles riding around in front of young children. Not so long ago this would've been universally considered perverted and disgusting with anyone involved in the event being thrown into prison, but suddenly it's wacky right wing nonsense to want to protect your children from such events.

that's a separate thing. those guys should be arrested if they're flashing or exposing themeslves to children. that isn't wacky bullshit but the other thing does appear to be.

Disney not wanting to hire white men does not sound like wacky conspiracy to me, especially when the dude working for Disney is saying it. I understand not wanting to believe they would do that, but when people within the company are saying the goings-on it should still be taken seriously.

[zombie]

It's not too big of a reach to say he could have been making shit up on a date (though, there are other videos of Disney employees saying similar shit), but it still is a reach. All signs point to what he is saying is actually true. And to insinuate that James O'keefe is a right wing nut job is totally unfounded and a discredit to undercover journalism.

But there is definitely no debate that Disney has put forth perverted pride events for children. There is literal undercover video posted from Disney's event itself of naked gay dudes on bicycles riding around in front of young children. Not so long ago this would've been universally considered perverted and disgusting with anyone involved in the event being thrown into prison, but suddenly it's wacky right wing nonsense to want to protect your children from such events.

that's a separate thing. those guys should be arrested if they're flashing or exposing themeslves to children. that isn't wacky bullshit but the other thing does appear to be.

Disney not wanting to hire white men does not sound like wacky conspiracy to me, especially when the dude working for Disney is saying it. I understand not wanting to believe they would do that, but when people within the company are saying the goings-on it should still be taken seriously.

so they don't hire white men for some unknown projects. what is the conspiracy?

[Jason]

It's not too big of a reach to say he could have been making shit up on a date (though, there are other videos of Disney employees saying similar shit), but it still is a reach. All signs point to what he is saying is actually true. And to insinuate that James O'keefe is a right wing nut job is totally unfounded and a discredit to undercover journalism.

But there is definitely no debate that Disney has put forth perverted pride events for children. There is literal undercover video posted from Disney's event itself of naked gay dudes on bicycles riding around in front of young children. Not so long ago this would've been universally considered perverted and disgusting with anyone involved in the event being thrown into prison, but suddenly it's wacky right wing nonsense to want to protect your children from such events.

that's a separate thing. those guys should be arrested if they're flashing or exposing themeslves to children. that isn't wacky bullshit but the other thing does appear to be.

Disney not wanting to hire white men does not sound like wacky conspiracy to me, especially when the dude working for Disney is saying it. I understand not wanting to believe they would do that, but when people within the company are saying the goings-on it should still be taken seriously.

so they don't hire white men for some unknown projects. what is the conspiracy?

That's discrimination based on race. Lol

[zombie]

It's not too big of a reach to say he could have been making shit up on a date (though, there are other videos of Disney employees saying similar shit), but it still is a reach. All signs point to what he is saying is actually true. And to insinuate that James O'keefe is a right wing nut job is totally unfounded and a discredit to undercover journalism.

But there is definitely no debate that Disney has put forth perverted pride events for children. There is literal undercover video posted from Disney's event itself of naked gay dudes on bicycles riding around in front of young children. Not so long ago this would've been universally considered perverted and disgusting with anyone involved in the event being thrown into prison, but suddenly it's wacky right wing nonsense to want to protect your children from such events.

that's a separate thing. those guys should be arrested if they're flashing or exposing themeslves to children. that isn't wacky bullshit but the other thing does appear to be.

Disney not wanting to hire white men does not sound like wacky conspiracy to me, especially when the dude working for Disney is saying it. I understand not wanting to believe they would do that, but when people within the company are saying the goings-on it should still be taken seriously.

so they don't hire white men for some unknown projects. what is the conspiracy?

That's discrimination based on race. Lol

it's pandering to a certain demographic. if they were not hiring any white guys. it would be racial and sexual discrimination. but that's not what is happening at all.

[Slaughterhouserock]

it's pandering to a certain demographic. if they were not hiring any white guys. it would be racial and sexual discrimination. but that's not what is happening at all.

Are you under the assumption this is about acting roles or something? Cause it's about internal office type jobs.

[zombie]

it's pandering to a certain demographic. if they were not hiring any white guys. it would be racial and sexual discrimination. but that's not what is happening at all.

Are you under the assumption this is about acting roles or something? Cause it's about internal office type jobs.

okay. i thought giordano mentioned actors and writers. if it's office shit, then they apparently are "discriminating" both ways by the clips that jason provided.

[Slaughterhouserock]

okay. i thought giordano mentioned actors and writers. if it's office shit, then they apparently are "discriminating" both ways by the clips that jason provided.

This was all like a month ago, so I could be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure he was just talking about corporate shit jobs. Actors makes sense, writers less so, but whatever.

[Headhunter]

It’s very fair to say James O’Keefe is a right wing nutjob and isn’t credible. That stuff is not journalism.

[zombie]

okay. i thought giordano mentioned actors and writers. if it's office shit, then they apparently are "discriminating" both ways by the clips that jason provided.

This was all like a month ago, so I could be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure he was just talking about corporate shit jobs. Actors makes sense, writers less so, but whatever.

writers because they may have different lived experience based on race or gender, whatever. it does make less sense than actors. i' can agree with you there.

[Headhunter]

My brother and sister-in-law both have respected corporate office jobs at Disney. They hire white men.

[Reign in Blood]

It’s very fair to say James O’Keefe is a right wing nutjob and isn’t credible. That stuff is not journalism.

Finally getting out from under that rotting corpse of 4 years and this is how you treat journalist.

[Headhunter]

It’s very fair to say James O’Keefe is a right wing nutjob and isn’t credible. That stuff is not journalism.

Finally getting out from under that rotting corpse of 4 years and this is how you treat journalist.

Anyone with a phone can do it!