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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
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Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:56 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
i think we're at least several pages apart when it comes to this topic, unfortunately.
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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:11 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:56 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
i think we're at least several pages apart when it comes to this topic, unfortunately.
Maybe. I guess in a quick summary, I don't think men should fight women. This includes being born a man and undergoing transition practices and also being born a man with female genitalia.
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Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:12 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:11 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:56 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
i think we're at least several pages apart when it comes to this topic, unfortunately.
Maybe. I guess in a quick summary, I don't think men should fight women. This includes being born a man and undergoing transition practices and also being born a man with female genitalia.
if that's the outcome, fair enough. if it wasn't becoming an issue as a part of the larger fire shit storm that is falling onto trans and intersex people broadly, neither you nor i would have ever heard of imane khelif, nor probably angela carini. this would be something only olympics viewers would even be aware of. and i would much prefer it that way. let people just be people.
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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:20 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:12 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:11 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:56 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
i think we're at least several pages apart when it comes to this topic, unfortunately.
Maybe. I guess in a quick summary, I don't think men should fight women. This includes being born a man and undergoing transition practices and also being born a man with female genitalia.
if that's the outcome, fair enough. if it wasn't becoming an issue as a part of the larger fire shit storm that is falling onto trans and intersex people broadly, neither you nor i would have ever heard of imane khelif, nor probably angela carini. this would be something only olympics viewers would even be aware of. and i would much prefer it that way. let people just be people.
I think that's where we differ. You see it on the large scale as an attack on trans/intersex and would rather it not have come to light to protect Imane from criticism whereas I see it as necessary to be brought to light for the safety of the female competition. But I think we're in agreement that we would like to see female competitors in a fair fight while also not condemning a person like Imane for the sake of the rare biological phenomenon.
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Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:30 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:20 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:12 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:11 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:56 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
i think we're at least several pages apart when it comes to this topic, unfortunately.
Maybe. I guess in a quick summary, I don't think men should fight women. This includes being born a man and undergoing transition practices and also being born a man with female genitalia.
if that's the outcome, fair enough. if it wasn't becoming an issue as a part of the larger fire shit storm that is falling onto trans and intersex people broadly, neither you nor i would have ever heard of imane khelif, nor probably angela carini. this would be something only olympics viewers would even be aware of. and i would much prefer it that way. let people just be people.
I think that's where we differ. You see it on the large scale as an attack on trans/intersex and would rather it not have come to light to protect Imane from criticism whereas I see it as necessary to be brought to light for the safety of the female competition. But I think we're in agreement that we would like to see female competitors in a fair fight while also not condemning a person like Imane for the sake of the rare biological phenomenon.

i want to surround every trans or intersex person inside of an impenetrable hug bubble and never let them go...except for blaire white. you can keep her and bake her into a giant meat pie and force feed her to anyone else who also wants to look out for trans or intersex people. :P
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seriously, our pages don't match because i don't think imane khelif nor the ioc has done anything wrong in her regard because i think that trans and intersex are just people. some are assholes individually. like any other group or demographic. i take them on an individual basis. benefit of the doubt, i guess.

but you think that she is a serious threat to anyone she has faced or may face in the future. because she was not born as typically female, at least according to some reports, and you seem to have serious distrust or misgivings about trans or intersex people generally, as a group.
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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:58 pm seriously, our pages don't match because i don't think imane khelif nor the ioc has done anything wrong in her regard because i think that trans and intersex are just people. some are assholes individually. like any other group or demographic. i take them on an individual basis. benefit of the doubt, i guess.

but you think that she is a serious threat to anyone she has faced or may face in the future. because she was not born as typically female, at least according to some reports, and you seem to have serious distrust or misgivings about trans or intersex people generally, as a group.
I can't imagine the difficulty of living a life being born a man with female genitalia. My opinion on Imane being able to fight has nothing to do with who Imane is as a person. But the massive physical advantages over females cannot be ignored because Imane is a special case.
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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:30 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:20 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:12 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:11 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:56 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:42 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.
But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.
you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.
I just don't think we're on the exact same page is all. I'm not sure what other position you mean.
i think we're at least several pages apart when it comes to this topic, unfortunately.
Maybe. I guess in a quick summary, I don't think men should fight women. This includes being born a man and undergoing transition practices and also being born a man with female genitalia.
if that's the outcome, fair enough. if it wasn't becoming an issue as a part of the larger fire shit storm that is falling onto trans and intersex people broadly, neither you nor i would have ever heard of imane khelif, nor probably angela carini. this would be something only olympics viewers would even be aware of. and i would much prefer it that way. let people just be people.
I think that's where we differ. You see it on the large scale as an attack on trans/intersex and would rather it not have come to light to protect Imane from criticism whereas I see it as necessary to be brought to light for the safety of the female competition. But I think we're in agreement that we would like to see female competitors in a fair fight while also not condemning a person like Imane for the sake of the rare biological phenomenon.

i want to surround every trans or intersex person inside of an impenetrable hug bubble and never let them go...except for blaire white. you can keep her and bake her into a giant meat pie and force feed her to anyone else who also wants to look out for trans or intersex people. :P
Who is Blaire White and what did he/she do? Vote Trump? :P
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Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:40 pm Who is Blaire White and what did he/she do? Vote Trump? :P
basically she's a walking bag of self-identity-hating shit that lives down to every negative stereotype to do with conservatism, who also happened to vote for trump. :P
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Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:39 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:58 pm seriously, our pages don't match because i don't think imane khelif nor the ioc has done anything wrong in her regard because i think that trans and intersex are just people. some are assholes individually. like any other group or demographic. i take them on an individual basis. benefit of the doubt, i guess.

but you think that she is a serious threat to anyone she has faced or may face in the future. because she was not born as typically female, at least according to some reports, and you seem to have serious distrust or misgivings about trans or intersex people generally, as a group.
I can't imagine the difficulty of living a life being born a man with female genitalia. My opinion on Imane being able to fight has nothing to do with who Imane is as a person. But the massive physical advantages over females cannot be ignored because Imane is a special case.
i hope that's the extent of it...can i ask what you think of dylan mulvaney? :P
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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:54 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:39 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:58 pm seriously, our pages don't match because i don't think imane khelif nor the ioc has done anything wrong in her regard because i think that trans and intersex are just people. some are assholes individually. like any other group or demographic. i take them on an individual basis. benefit of the doubt, i guess.

but you think that she is a serious threat to anyone she has faced or may face in the future. because she was not born as typically female, at least according to some reports, and you seem to have serious distrust or misgivings about trans or intersex people generally, as a group.
I can't imagine the difficulty of living a life being born a man with female genitalia. My opinion on Imane being able to fight has nothing to do with who Imane is as a person. But the massive physical advantages over females cannot be ignored because Imane is a special case.
i hope that's the extent of it...can i ask what you think of dylan mulvaney? :P
Don't really have an opinion. I don't know if that person is really trans or just in it for fame and attention or both.
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zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:50 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:40 pm Who is Blaire White and what did he/she do? Vote Trump? :P
basically she's a walking bag of self-identity-hating shit that lives down to every negative stereotype to do with conservatism, who also happened to vote for trump. :P
Does a trans person have to match your political views in order for you to feel empathy and compassion?
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Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:01 pm
zombie wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:50 pm
Jason wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:40 pm Who is Blaire White and what did he/she do? Vote Trump? :P
basically she's a walking bag of self-identity-hating shit that lives down to every negative stereotype to do with conservatism, who also happened to vote for trump. :P
Does a trans person have to match your political views in order for you to feel empathy and compassion?
no. i can feel empathy and compassion and still joke that i want them dead because they suck as people.
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The world economy is teetering on the brink of recession and may enter depression. The markets are in horrible condition. They'll blame Trump if he gets elected.
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Jason wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:58 am The world economy is teetering on the brink of recession and may enter depression. The markets are in horrible condition. They'll blame Trump if he gets elected.
such a thing actually has an effect on the country and the world. kudos for bringing this up. many events and people could be blamed if you wanted to point fingers. all of those people are named kamala harris or joe biden if you're a pundit within the united states.
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Sorry but Biden and Kamala are on the hook for this economy. You don't get to claim the greatest economic comeback and job growth in history than blame someone else when reality pokes it's head in. Fair or not it's what comes with the throne
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Tiggnutz wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:10 am Sorry but Biden and Kamala are on the hook for this economy. You don't get to claim the greatest economic comeback and job growth in history than blame someone else when reality pokes it's head in. Fair or not it's what comes with the throne
for the united states economy, absolutely. don't be sorry. :P
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zombie wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:11 am
Tiggnutz wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:10 am Sorry but Biden and Kamala are on the hook for this economy. You don't get to claim the greatest economic comeback and job growth in history than blame someone else when reality pokes it's head in. Fair or not it's what comes with the throne
for the united states economy, absolutely. don't be sorry. :P
Stock market plummeted
Highest unemployment since 2021
Jobs report failed to meet expectations
By all means revel in the glory. Could be worth it to see Kamala try to pretend she knows what recession means. I guess our real president will be of little help since he probably thinks it's 1994 and things couldn't be better. :P
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Tiggnutz wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:31 am
zombie wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:11 am
Tiggnutz wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:10 am Sorry but Biden and Kamala are on the hook for this economy. You don't get to claim the greatest economic comeback and job growth in history than blame someone else when reality pokes it's head in. Fair or not it's what comes with the throne
for the united states economy, absolutely. don't be sorry. :P
Stock market plummeted
Highest unemployment since 2021
Jobs report failed to meet expectations
By all means revel in the glory. Could be worth it to see Kamala try to pretend she knows what recession means. I guess our real president will be of little help since he probably thinks it's 1994 and things couldn't be better. :P
throw joe biden onto the pyre of public opinion. i'll watch him figuratively burn and smile right along with you. i'm not a fan of harris or biden, i just have a problem with some other politicians being held as so much greater above them. that has nothing to do with this situation, honestly. but it's on the tongue of at least one of us at every turn that he can speak it.
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