Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[Jigsaw]

Also, to be fair, it's true that I used to be a Democrat, so it makes some since that I'd have more of an issue with them and what I see as their short-comings.

[zombie]

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/pol ... artys-laws

better this than elon musk. even republicans can aceept trans as valid. change is inevitable.

[Jigsaw]

It all comes down to the young self-described conservatives. Hopefully much of this - gay marriage, trans issues, marijuana legalization, etc. - is generation, and I generally believe that it is.

[zombie]

it is probably generational to a large extent. conservatism relies on looking back. when you don't have a frame of reference to look back to that hates trans or gays or thinks marijuana is an evil drug, then you won't really see it as such a problem. but i wanna see it in my lifetime.

[Jason]

Seems to me that until society universally agrees that wanting to be the opposite gender is a mental illness, then no progress will be made on the suicidal ideation of those who are suffering. Affirmation, hormones, puberty blockers and surgery have not only not put a dent in those overall statistics but have arguably made them worse.

[zombie]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

[zombie]

and to be completely honest, i wouldn't mind if hormones and surgery weren't seen as a necessary part of the process for many people who experience dysphoria. but that would also take a move away from hatred and shunning of those that choose to dress or do themselves up in a way that matches more to how they feel.

[Jason]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.

[zombie]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.

that post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.

[Jason]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.

that post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.

The dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money from pills and surgeries.

[zombie]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.

that post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.

The dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money for pills and surgeries.

show your 41% source.

big pharma does make money from prescribing of puberty blockers and surgery. etc. that's fair. but they didn't create gender dysphoria nor the need in those that experience it to transition.

there is a massive focus on trans and gay people. that tends to bring more of them to attention of the public. the hate that comes with the more focus also causes a massive rise in mental health issues among gay and transgender or dyphoric individuals.

[zombie]

and to be completely honest, i wouldn't mind if hormones and surgery weren't seen as a necessary part of the process for many people who experience dysphoria. but that would also take a move away from hatred and shunning of those that choose to dress or do themselves up in a way that matches more to how they feel.

if you want to bring down the monetary gain for big pharma, follow my lead!

[zombie]

granted, moving away from hormones and surgery would also mean moving away from competing against others that match how you identify yourself. so it's another win in your favor to go this way?

[Jason]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.

that post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.

The dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money for pills and surgeries.

show your 41% source.

big pharma does make money from prescribing of puberty blockers and surgery. etc. that's fair. but they didn't create gender dysphoria nor the need in those that experience it to transition.

there is a massive focus on trans and gay people. that tends to bring more of them to attention of the public. the hate that comes with the more focus also causes a massive rise in mental health issues among gay and transgender or dyphoric individuals.

Oh, I'm not arguing that the lack of acceptance within friends and family wouldn't have any negative change, I'm simply stating that the root cause of all the issues is the dysphoria itself. Many of these people were also touched sexually by perverts at a very young age which led to the dysphoria, as well. We're looking too closely at solutions that only mask the problem and don't tackle the root cause. The solution is tackling the root cause, which is mental health evaluations, and also a willingness from those suffering to accept that what they are suffering from isn't normal. But the fact that this isn't normal doesn't mean that they should not be treated with love as any other human should.

[Jason]

granted, moving away from hormones and surgery would also mean moving away from competing against others that match how you identify yourself. so it's another win in your favor to go this way?

This has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.

I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.

[zombie]

dysphoria is a mental issue. yeah. hatred for and shunning of those that experience and want to alleviate that feeling is what is causing the depression and suicidal ideation much more often than any drug taken in service of alleviating that feeling.

That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.

that post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.

The dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money for pills and surgeries.

show your 41% source.

big pharma does make money from prescribing of puberty blockers and surgery. etc. that's fair. but they didn't create gender dysphoria nor the need in those that experience it to transition.

there is a massive focus on trans and gay people. that tends to bring more of them to attention of the public. the hate that comes with the more focus also causes a massive rise in mental health issues among gay and transgender or dyphoric individuals.

Oh, I'm not arguing that the lack of acceptance within friends and family wouldn't have any negative change, I'm simply stating that the root cause of all the issues is the dysphoria itself. Many of these people were also touched sexually by perverts at a very young age which led to the dysphoria, as well. We're looking too closely at solutions that only mask the problem and don't tackle the root cause. The solution is tackling the root cause, which is mental health evaluations, and also a willingness from those suffering to accept that what they are suffering from isn't normal. But the fact that this isn't normal doesn't mean that they should not be treated with love as any other human should.

there is not a substantial portion of the population that believes that gender dysphoria is normal. just that it happens. i don't know what triggers it, certainly not in every case. but it happens. the best way to treat dysphoria seems at this moment to be gender transition.

i don't think that it requires surgery or hormones necessarily, and certainly not in all cases. if someone suffering dysphoria could start to dress and behave in a way that closer fit how they view themselves to be without so much stigma and hatred particularly by those directly around them, family, neighbors, friends, teachers, co-workers. etc. then it would almost certainly go along way toward them not needing the surgery or hormones to feel validated and comfortable within their bodies. and it doesn't really do harm to provide them that validation and support.

though obviously for medical reasons, you would still have to share with a doctor that you were born in a different way than you identify. and also romantic and sexual partners as well. but it would still do a lot of good.

[zombie]

granted, moving away from hormones and surgery would also mean moving away from competing against others that match how you identify yourself. so it's another win in your favor to go this way?

This has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.

I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.

you can't force it to not exist by bullying and accusation and shunning either. what is the root cause in your estimation?

[Jason]

granted, moving away from hormones and surgery would also mean moving away from competing against others that match how you identify yourself. so it's another win in your favor to go this way?

This has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.

I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.

you can't force it to not exist by bullying and accusation and shunning either. what is the root cause in your estimation?

I don't know the exact number, but a substantial amount of cases of people with gender dysphoria originated from being touched sexually at a young age. I've also seen a study that says a large portion of children or teens with gender dysphoria who do not pursuit surgery and puberty blockers generally become gay men. Gay men also seem to correlate with a substantial amount being touched sexually as children.

I think the rise in "acceptance" (and I use that term loosely) has seemed to clearly cause a lot more cases. I've seen social media of parents with 2-4 year old children filming the child saying "i think I'm a girl" and acting as though they're going to forever raise the child as the opposite gender. This never happened before the media planted a narrative in their heads. I read somewhere that the overall population of gen z is near 20% gay or transgender while one or two generations prior have around 0-2% on average. Do you think the rise of gay and trans people just happened naturally? I don't. I think the media and perverts get into the heads of young people very early when they're still learning and cinfused and basically trap them in that state.

[Lazerus]

Gen Z (born from 1997 to 2011) are just a weird generation. Much more than Millennials or Gen X. I agree with Jason, a lot of their problems stem from social media and dumb parenting. This makes me concerned for how Gen Alpha will turn out once they begin entering their coming of age years.

[zombie]

granted, moving away from hormones and surgery would also mean moving away from competing against others that match how you identify yourself. so it's another win in your favor to go this way?

This has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.

I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.

you can't force it to not exist by bullying and accusation and shunning either. what is the root cause in your estimation?

I don't know the exact number, but a substantial amount of cases of people with gender dysphoria originated from being touched sexually at a young age. I've also seen a study that says a large portion of children or teens with gender dysphoria who do not pursuit surgery and puberty blockers generally become gay men. Gay men also seem to correlate with a substantial amount being touched sexually as children.

I think the rise in "acceptance" (and I use that term loosely) has seemed to clearly cause a lot more cases. I've seen social media of parents with 2-4 year old children filming the child saying "i think I'm a girl" and acting as though they're going to forever raise the child as the opposite gender. This never happened before the media planted a narrative in their heads. I read somewhere that the overall population of gen z is near 20% gay or transgender while one or two generations prior have around 0-2% on average. Do you think the rise of gay and trans people just happened naturally? I don't. I think the media and perverts get into the heads of young people very early when they're still learning and cinfused and basically trap them in that state.

i don't know what to do with "being touched"" is the root cause. how do you address that after it's happened, if that really is most of the cause? it seems just another way to look down on or shun the demographic.

i think the media scrutiny (on the right wing side) and acceptance (on the leftwing side) brought it more into the light and led to an increase of people expressing that part of themselves. there are always going to be following along or being manipulated into it but i don't think that's a large enough number to dismiss the whole thing and "pray it away" or whatever. not that i'm saying that's your solution to it. you really haven't given one.

for those that were actually tricked into it somehow or even misdiagnosed, i've got no problem with de-transition that comes naturally (in the sense that that is actually what the individuals want to do). that has to be on the table for those that actually regret it. and for those manipulated into giving it up by media forces or disapproving family/community... i feel for them and hope they don't use their de-transition and former trans status as a weapon against other trans people.