Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[zombie]

I think we are getting mixed up with how we see affirmation being applied. When I'm saying there shouldn't be affirmation when treating gender dysphoria, I'm saying there should be no affirmation in their belief system that they need to mutilate genitalia or take biologically damaging medication in order to treat themselves.

okay. i think the belief is that their body and the cultural expectations that come along with their body does not match their perception of themselves internally. doing anything to bring their body and the expectations onto it closer to the way they feel inside is going to help. that does not have to include surgeries. and i would rather than it didn't.

that would take a serious shift in our culture though. i think blockers, hormones and surgery for a very small percentage of the population is far easier a solution than upheaving the gender associations and expectations that have been built up and bought into and solidified in this country. big gender may be too much to overcome, at least in our lifetimes.

[zombie]

if it were intersex individuals using surgery and/or hormones to affirm the gender they most closely identify with, would you also be opposed to that? if not, what makes the difference?

[Jason]

if it were intersex individuals using surgery and/or hormones to affirm the gender they most closely identify with, would you also be opposed to that? if not, what makes the difference?

Depends what makes up their DNA. I would just simply not advocate for surgery and chemicals that do not have enough testing and have not proven to help anyone mentally.

There's a trans person who was born female and transitioned who went through the same things I'm advocating against in this thread. I'll provide a clip of her testimony. It's anecdotal, but do you think it'd be easier to digest coming from someone who went through it and is trying to shed a light on what happened to her and what is being hidden?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1729wD_TOL8

[zombie]

if it were intersex individuals using surgery and/or hormones to affirm the gender they most closely identify with, would you also be opposed to that? if not, what makes the difference?

Depends what makes up their DNA. I would just simply not advocate for surgery and chemicals that do not have enough testing and have not proven to help anyone mentally.

There's a trans person who was born female and transitioned who went through the same things I'm advocating against in this thread. I'll provide a clip of her testimony. It's anecdotal, but do you think it'd be easier to digest coming from someone who went through it and is trying to shed a light on what happened to her and what is being hidden?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1729wD_TOL8

transition regret happens. and those stories should be heard. they should not ever be told by matt walsh!

honest natural de-transition is no doubt hard on those that have to go through it. that option should always be open to those who end up regretting that decision. i don't want them to be shunned or hated anymore than those who accept and thrive in their transition. i do hate that the most visible of those who regret it are being used as weapons knowingly or unknowingly against other trans and intersex people.

if that person does not consider themselves to be trans why are they still referred to with a male name and their birth name in parentheses though? i don't know what to call them, respectfully. or whether they actually don't identify as trans. it's tough.

again, if medical transition was something that could be moved away from, i'm all for that. i just think that the alternative is too far a hill to climb the way that our culture is at the moment. but you and i can climb that hill and fight for that future together!

[Jason]

if it were intersex individuals using surgery and/or hormones to affirm the gender they most closely identify with, would you also be opposed to that? if not, what makes the difference?

Depends what makes up their DNA. I would just simply not advocate for surgery and chemicals that do not have enough testing and have not proven to help anyone mentally.

There's a trans person who was born female and transitioned who went through the same things I'm advocating against in this thread. I'll provide a clip of her testimony. It's anecdotal, but do you think it'd be easier to digest coming from someone who went through it and is trying to shed a light on what happened to her and what is being hidden?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1729wD_TOL8

transition regret happens. and those stories should be heard. they should not ever be told by matt walsh!

honest natural de-transition is no doubt hard on those that have to go through it. that option should always be open to those who end up regretting that decision. i don't want them to be shunned or hated anymore than those who accept and thrive in their transition. i do hate that the most visible of those who regret it are being used as weapons knowingly or unknowingly against other trans and intersex people.

if that person does not consider themselves to be trans why are they still referred to with a male name and their birth name in parentheses though? i don't know what to call them, respectfully. or whether they actually don't identify as trans. it's tough.

again, if medical transition was something that could be moved away from, i'm all for that. i just think that the alternative is too far a hill to climb the way that our culture is at the moment. but you and i can climb that hill and fight for that future together!

What about the idea that the actual weapon is a social contagion generated by powerful lobby groups that specifically targets young children?

[zombie]

if it were intersex individuals using surgery and/or hormones to affirm the gender they most closely identify with, would you also be opposed to that? if not, what makes the difference?

Depends what makes up their DNA. I would just simply not advocate for surgery and chemicals that do not have enough testing and have not proven to help anyone mentally.

There's a trans person who was born female and transitioned who went through the same things I'm advocating against in this thread. I'll provide a clip of her testimony. It's anecdotal, but do you think it'd be easier to digest coming from someone who went through it and is trying to shed a light on what happened to her and what is being hidden?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1729wD_TOL8

transition regret happens. and those stories should be heard. they should not ever be told by matt walsh!

honest natural de-transition is no doubt hard on those that have to go through it. that option should always be open to those who end up regretting that decision. i don't want them to be shunned or hated anymore than those who accept and thrive in their transition. i do hate that the most visible of those who regret it are being used as weapons knowingly or unknowingly against other trans and intersex people.

if that person does not consider themselves to be trans why are they still referred to with a male name and their birth name in parentheses though? i don't know what to call them, respectfully. or whether they actually don't identify as trans. it's tough.

again, if medical transition was something that could be moved away from, i'm all for that. i just think that the alternative is too far a hill to climb the way that our culture is at the moment. but you and i can climb that hill and fight for that future together!

What about the idea that the actual weapon is a social contagion generated by powerful lobby groups that specifically targets young children?

so this is beyond the drugs or surgeries. i had a feeling that was coming.

[Jason]

so this is beyond the drugs or surgeries. i had a feeling that was coming.

It's not coming, it's been discussed already. Indoctrination while being young and impressionable and susceptible to believe just about anything you tell them. Children are confused by everything and if you plant a seed at a young enough age that you can be a girl in a boy's body it can easily stick inside their minds and never let go.

[zombie]

so this is beyond the drugs or surgeries. i had a feeling that was coming.

It's not coming, it's been discussed already. Indoctrination while being young and impressionable and susceptible to believe just about anything you tell them. Children are confused by everything and if you plant a seed at a young enough age that you can be a girl in a boy's body it can easily stick inside their minds and never let go.

those kids who are manipulated into transition should be heard when they come to regret it. and hopefully they come to realize they aren't trans before they are put through surgeries. so that their de-transition is more manageable. they should not be judged or treated badly any more than the children that knew that they were trans and love themselves.

[zombie]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

[Jason]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

I can sense some tediousness from both of us. Lol.

[zombie]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

I can sense some tediousness from both of us. Lol.

yeah, i did start to repeat and ramble.

so in the end though, my position is that gender dysphoria is alleviated by transition. that it's rise in the population comes from more attention and scrutiny. rather than a manufactured "contagion", that social transition would be preferable to medical transition, but probably not practical as a solution without undoing a lot of our views on gender and how we defend or uphold those views.

and it seems like your position is that dysphoria and transgender are both made up or severely overblown as some kind of social contagion psy-op against the world, that it should never be validated or affirmed socially nor medically, and any kind of representation or support of it is only causing more damage and harm to both children and adults.

is that a fair summation?

[zombie]

so scott newgent (featured in matt walsh' doc) says both that he was a sales executive "high powered female" before he considered transition, and that he "was one of those children" who got manipulated into transition. "it got me at 42". that's not a child. i don't know this guy but he seems all over the place. even in the professionally produced agenda-driven doc that should be able to tell a coherent story.

scott newgent still goes by a male name, at least in the doc. does he also still use hormones? i don't understand this at all. i want to believe he's being genuine, despite his inclusion in a matt walsh hit piece. but it just really feels weird to me.

[zombie]

"Still, the bomb that ignited a fire within me was after I discovered the medical industry was pushing children to transition medically. Once I learned what they were doing to kids, my profound, relentless nature forged the way to join the hands of disparate groups to fight for our children. . With each roar, I hope to open the door for more transgender people who believe like I do to find a home and for parents to confidently stand up to medical professionals and say, "no, my child will not be medically transitioning during childhood." I hope and pray I’m doing it: getting people to join hands, from all different walks of life, beliefs, sexualities, and political stances, to join together and say collectively, “For This, We Stand Together - Medical Transitioning Is No Place For A Child.” I thus founded TRevoices - TRans Rational Educational Voices - which is leading the charge in truth, reality, and care for everyone who is transgender, thinks they are transgender, or is touched by transgenderism. Through all of this struggle, I feel blessed to have a voice that helps others.

If you agree, please consider joining us at TReVoices!"

https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com ... tt-newgent

that seems positive. he's not just being used as a weapon against trans people. he's also trying to do some good based on his words. i'd like to read more but the site is already defunct after an interview only four years ago...

[zombie]

rittenhouse and rogan both scared back into line by the trump huggers. you can't think for yourself unless you endorse the man, or so it seems. he really is the rockstar cult leader president.

[Jason]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

I can sense some tediousness from both of us. Lol.

yeah, i did start to repeat and ramble.

so in the end though, my position is that gender dysphoria is alleviated by transition. that it's rise in the population comes from more attention and scrutiny. rather than a manufactured "contagion", that social transition would be preferable to medical transition, but probably not practical as a solution without undoing a lot of our views on gender and how we defend or uphold those views.

and it seems like your position is that dysphoria and transgender are both made up or severely overblown as some kind of social contagion psy-op against the world, that it should never be validated or affirmed socially nor medically, and any kind of representation or support of it is only causing more damage and harm to both children and adults.

is that a fair summation?

No.

Dysphoria is not overblown. The rise of it is caused by social media and indoctrination of children at a young and impressionable age.

[Jason]

LMAO - "Election rigging does not look like election rigging. Trust us!" - PA Govt

[Headhunter]

That’s a pretty reasonable tweet considering the collective right wing meltdown in 2020 when some states counted the heavy Democrat-leaning mail in ballots after heavy Republican-leaning in-person ballots. The right wing whiners never talk about how the opposite happened in Ohio which is why they had a fake big Democrat lead early in the night before Republicans won the state with ease. Really not hard to understand.

[zombie]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

I can sense some tediousness from both of us. Lol.

yeah, i did start to repeat and ramble.

so in the end though, my position is that gender dysphoria is alleviated by transition. that it's rise in the population comes from more attention and scrutiny. rather than a manufactured "contagion", that social transition would be preferable to medical transition, but probably not practical as a solution without undoing a lot of our views on gender and how we defend or uphold those views.

and it seems like your position is that dysphoria and transgender are both made up or severely overblown as some kind of social contagion psy-op against the world, that it should never be validated or affirmed socially nor medically, and any kind of representation or support of it is only causing more damage and harm to both children and adults.

is that a fair summation?

No.

Dysphoria is not overblown. The rise of it is caused by social media and indoctrination of children at a young and impressionable age.

"made up or overblown as part of a social contagion psy op". that does seem to be what you're saying even as rebuttal.

[Jason]

That’s a pretty reasonable tweet considering the collective right wing meltdown in 2020 when some states counted the heavy Democrat-leaning mail in ballots after heavy Republican-leaning in-person ballots. The right wing whiners never talk about how the opposite happened in Ohio which is why they had a fake big Democrat lead early in the night before Republicans won the state with ease. Really not hard to understand.

"Any changes in results is not evidence that the election is rigged" is my favorite quote. "OK, Pennsylvania government, I trust you".

Florida is the 3rd most populated state and had no issues tallying all votes on election night. Neither did the vast majority of the rest of the country. I'm open to the possibility that both sides made an attempt. But the right has been pushing for in-person paper ballots, which is nearly impossible to rig. So while I haven't totally ruled them out, it's harder for me to say they're even attempting to rig anything when they're openly advocating and practicing things that go against. But it's too big of a coincidence and you have to be pretty closed-minded to ignore that all the razor thin swing states that took weeks and months to count were not only fortified, but had Trump leading with a high percentage of the votes already counted when it froze in the middle of the night. This was prophesized weeks before the election. It's gonna be harder for the dems to rig this year now that some states have implemented defortification, but we'll see.

[Jason]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

I can sense some tediousness from both of us. Lol.

yeah, i did start to repeat and ramble.

so in the end though, my position is that gender dysphoria is alleviated by transition. that it's rise in the population comes from more attention and scrutiny. rather than a manufactured "contagion", that social transition would be preferable to medical transition, but probably not practical as a solution without undoing a lot of our views on gender and how we defend or uphold those views.

and it seems like your position is that dysphoria and transgender are both made up or severely overblown as some kind of social contagion psy-op against the world, that it should never be validated or affirmed socially nor medically, and any kind of representation or support of it is only causing more damage and harm to both children and adults.

is that a fair summation?

No.

Dysphoria is not overblown. The rise of it is caused by social media and indoctrination of children at a young and impressionable age.

"made up or overblown as part of a social contagion psy op". that does seem to be what you're saying even as rebuttal.

I never said dysphoria is made up