Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[zombie]

if we're repeating ourselves as you say, we should probably both stop here. it's been fun.

I can sense some tediousness from both of us. Lol.

yeah, i did start to repeat and ramble.

so in the end though, my position is that gender dysphoria is alleviated by transition. that it's rise in the population comes from more attention and scrutiny. rather than a manufactured "contagion", that social transition would be preferable to medical transition, but probably not practical as a solution without undoing a lot of our views on gender and how we defend or uphold those views.

and it seems like your position is that dysphoria and transgender are both made up or severely overblown as some kind of social contagion psy-op against the world, that it should never be validated or affirmed socially nor medically, and any kind of representation or support of it is only causing more damage and harm to both children and adults.

is that a fair summation?

No.

Dysphoria is not overblown. The rise of it is caused by social media and indoctrination of children at a young and impressionable age.

"made up or overblown as part of a social contagion psy op". that does seem to be what you're saying even as rebuttal.

I never said dysphoria is made up

so i mistook your meaning. sorry bout that.

[zombie]

imane khelif won and earned the gold on friday. and reportedly, angela carini was offered money equal to the olympic prize winnings by the iba, and declined the offer.

[Jason]

imane khelif won and earned the gold on friday. and reportedly, angela carini was offered money equal to the olympic prize winnings by the iba, and declined the offer.

Not surprised. And noble of Angela to decline the offer.

[zombie]

imane khelif won and earned the gold on friday. and reportedly, angela carini was offered money equal to the olympic prize winnings by the iba, and declined the offer.

Not surprised. And noble of Angela to decline the offer.

yeah, she fought hard for it. so, indeed on both counts.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Not that I've paid too much attention to the olympics, but this is the first year I'm learning there are prize winnings. I always just assumed it was a medal and then a bunch of sponsorships keeping them afloat.

[Headhunter]

imane khelif won and earned the gold on friday. and reportedly, angela carini was offered money equal to the olympic prize winnings by the iba, and declined the offer.

Good indication of how credible the IBA is tbh.

[Headhunter]

That’s a pretty reasonable tweet considering the collective right wing meltdown in 2020 when some states counted the heavy Democrat-leaning mail in ballots after heavy Republican-leaning in-person ballots. The right wing whiners never talk about how the opposite happened in Ohio which is why they had a fake big Democrat lead early in the night before Republicans won the state with ease. Really not hard to understand.

"Any changes in results is not evidence that the election is rigged" is my favorite quote. "OK, Pennsylvania government, I trust you".

Florida is the 3rd most populated state and had no issues tallying all votes on election night. Neither did the vast majority of the rest of the country. I'm open to the possibility that both sides made an attempt. But the right has been pushing for in-person paper ballots, which is nearly impossible to rig. So while I haven't totally ruled them out, it's harder for me to say they're even attempting to rig anything when they're openly advocating and practicing things that go against. But it's too big of a coincidence and you have to be pretty closed-minded to ignore that all the razor thin swing states that took weeks and months to count were not only fortified, but had Trump leading with a high percentage of the votes already counted when it froze in the middle of the night. This was prophesized weeks before the election. It's gonna be harder for the dems to rig this year now that some states have implemented defortification, but we'll see.

They are obviously talking about the live tallying of votes when they say “changes”.

It’s neither a coincidence nor a conspiracy. I explained the circumstances in the post above, it was heavily forecasted that it would play out exactly as it did with the partisan mail-in vs in-person ballot divide. The right only pretended to not understand this after the fact so they could complain. I agree that we should have faster election results like the majority of countries, but yeah there’s no “there” there.

[Headhunter]

Also, do you really have to assume I “have to be closed-minded” to not believe your conspiracy when I can actually explain the very easily comprehensible circumstances that led to the shift in live voting results? You can just say you disagree and think it was rigged or whatever. I really don’t care. It doesn’t also have to be a reflection on my capacity to think for myself. That’s pretty annoying.

[Jason]

That’s a pretty reasonable tweet considering the collective right wing meltdown in 2020 when some states counted the heavy Democrat-leaning mail in ballots after heavy Republican-leaning in-person ballots. The right wing whiners never talk about how the opposite happened in Ohio which is why they had a fake big Democrat lead early in the night before Republicans won the state with ease. Really not hard to understand.

"Any changes in results is not evidence that the election is rigged" is my favorite quote. "OK, Pennsylvania government, I trust you".

Florida is the 3rd most populated state and had no issues tallying all votes on election night. Neither did the vast majority of the rest of the country. I'm open to the possibility that both sides made an attempt. But the right has been pushing for in-person paper ballots, which is nearly impossible to rig. So while I haven't totally ruled them out, it's harder for me to say they're even attempting to rig anything when they're openly advocating and practicing things that go against. But it's too big of a coincidence and you have to be pretty closed-minded to ignore that all the razor thin swing states that took weeks and months to count were not only fortified, but had Trump leading with a high percentage of the votes already counted when it froze in the middle of the night. This was prophesized weeks before the election. It's gonna be harder for the dems to rig this year now that some states have implemented defortification, but we'll see.

They are obviously talking about the live tallying of votes when they say “changes”.

It’s neither a coincidence nor a conspiracy. I explained the circumstances in the post above, it was heavily forecasted that it would play out exactly as it did with the partisan mail-in vs in-person ballot divide. The right only pretended to not understand this after the fact so they could complain. I agree that we should have faster election results like the majority of countries, but yeah there’s no “there” there.

That tweet was just humorous to me. I read it as if a wife is making dinner for the family over here minding her business and out of nowhere one of the kids in the family busts in the room like "I'm not the one that ate all the cookies in the cookie jar that one time alright?!"

I guess I just don't understand how you can't see the coincidence. 43 states had all or 99% of the votes counted on election night, 7 stopped counting. And of the 7 that froze in the middle of the night, all 7 states were swing states, all 7 states were fortified, all 7 states were leading for Trump and then all 7 went for Biden by narrow margins, not on the same night, but weeks/months later. It screams fraud. Maricopa County is currently being sued for refusing to remove illegal aliens from their voters rolls ahead of the election.

The state of Pennsylvania in 2020 was called for Biden by a margin of 80,555 votes. Months after the election, there were 121,240 more votes than registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania, and this is according to the Pennsylvania Department of State. Pennsylvania is legally not allowed to certify an election based on this discrepancy, especially of this magnitude and it was certified anyway. Corrupt elites in swing states are blatantly ignoring state and federal laws and nothing is being done. This isn't some redneck, right-wing conspiracy nonsense, it's straight from the mouth of these people.

[Jason]

Also, do you really have to assume I “have to be closed-minded” to not believe your conspiracy when I can actually explain the very easily comprehensible circumstances that led to the shift in live voting results? You can just say you disagree and think it was rigged or whatever. I really don’t care. It doesn’t also have to be a reflection on my capacity to think for myself. That’s pretty annoying.

To clarify, the closed-minded comment wasn't directed toward you. I stated it as more of a generality when it comes to politics, but I can see why you would think it would come off like it was directed toward you. So that's my bad.

[Lazerus]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

[zombie]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

transgender or gay indoctrination in schools isn't really happening. and i think that's part of the reason that desantis failed at a presidential campaign. still, parents can be abusive to kids to keep them from expressing themselves in the "wrong" way. if they were not abusive, their children would not look to other adults to talk to away from the parents. '

was there a nixon mention? i missed that.

[Lazerus]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

transgender or gay indoctrination in schools isn't really happening. and i think that's part of the reason that desantis failed at a presidential campaign. still, parents can be abusive to kids to keep them from expressing themselves in the "wrong" way. if they were not abusive, their children would not look to other adults to talk to away from the parents. '

was there a nixon mention? i missed that.

If parents or a family in general do not approve nor support being trans then how is that abusing the child? Perhaps I misunderstood you and you were meaning emotional or physical abuse, then yeah that's another story but the parents simply not approving if their lifestyle choice is not abuse. Also parents have a right to say a child cannot dress or act in a certain manner while they're underage and living at home. That's not abuse. (unless they're getting extreme with it in one way or another)

I saw Nixon brought up somewhere, perhaps it was in another thread but I was skimming through trying to catch up. lol

[zombie]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

transgender or gay indoctrination in schools isn't really happening. and i think that's part of the reason that desantis failed at a presidential campaign. still, parents can be abusive to kids to keep them from expressing themselves in the "wrong" way. if they were not abusive, their children would not look to other adults to talk to away from the parents. '

was there a nixon mention? i missed that.

If parents or a family in general do not approve nor support being trans then how is that abusing the child? Perhaps I misunderstood you and you were meaning emotional or physical abuse, then yeah that's another story but the parents simply not approving if their lifestyle choice is not abuse. Also parents have a right to say a child cannot dress or act in a certain manner while they're underage and living at home. That's not abuse. (unless they're getting extreme with it in one way or another)

I saw Nixon brought up somewhere, perhaps it was in another thread but I was skimming through trying to catch up. lol

i just mean that parents can be abusive. not that all of them are. if you oppose your child's choices to the point that they feel so uncomfortable or threatened that they look elsewhere for support, then i think there should be an adult somewhere to turn to, in those cases. being a parent does not mean you can control your child's thoughts and beliefs. but trying to guide them respectfully is a parent's role, yeah. i just don't see that being undermined, as far as the school situation goes.

[Lazerus]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

transgender or gay indoctrination in schools isn't really happening. and i think that's part of the reason that desantis failed at a presidential campaign. still, parents can be abusive to kids to keep them from expressing themselves in the "wrong" way. if they were not abusive, their children would not look to other adults to talk to away from the parents. '

was there a nixon mention? i missed that.

If parents or a family in general do not approve nor support being trans then how is that abusing the child? Perhaps I misunderstood you and you were meaning emotional or physical abuse, then yeah that's another story but the parents simply not approving if their lifestyle choice is not abuse. Also parents have a right to say a child cannot dress or act in a certain manner while they're underage and living at home. That's not abuse. (unless they're getting extreme with it in one way or another)

I saw Nixon brought up somewhere, perhaps it was in another thread but I was skimming through trying to catch up. lol

i just mean that parents can be abusive. not that all of them are. if you oppose your child's choices to the point that they feel so uncomfortable or threatened that they look elsewhere for support, then i think there should be an adult somewhere to turn to, in those cases. being a parent does not mean you can control your child's thoughts and beliefs. but trying to guide them respectfully is a parent's role, yeah. i just don't see that being undermined, as far as the school situation goes.

I don't have children so I really can't speak much to good parenting versus bad. But I agree that some parents can be abusive. I feel that some parents do try and control their kids beliefs. I grew up in a conservative family with a bunch of religious nut cases. They did nothing but force God and Jesus down my throat until I finally rebelled in my teens. They've all disliked/hated me ever since. So to your point I agree they shouldn't control their child's beliefs but it does happen unfortunately. I do see parents (who are control freaks) seeing their child having access to speak with another adult about such things as undermining them as the parent. People tend to freak out when it comes to their kids, so yeah I can see some parents having an issue with it.

[zombie]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

transgender or gay indoctrination in schools isn't really happening. and i think that's part of the reason that desantis failed at a presidential campaign. still, parents can be abusive to kids to keep them from expressing themselves in the "wrong" way. if they were not abusive, their children would not look to other adults to talk to away from the parents. '

was there a nixon mention? i missed that.

If parents or a family in general do not approve nor support being trans then how is that abusing the child? Perhaps I misunderstood you and you were meaning emotional or physical abuse, then yeah that's another story but the parents simply not approving if their lifestyle choice is not abuse. Also parents have a right to say a child cannot dress or act in a certain manner while they're underage and living at home. That's not abuse. (unless they're getting extreme with it in one way or another)

I saw Nixon brought up somewhere, perhaps it was in another thread but I was skimming through trying to catch up. lol

i just mean that parents can be abusive. not that all of them are. if you oppose your child's choices to the point that they feel so uncomfortable or threatened that they look elsewhere for support, then i think there should be an adult somewhere to turn to, in those cases. being a parent does not mean you can control your child's thoughts and beliefs. but trying to guide them respectfully is a parent's role, yeah. i just don't see that being undermined, as far as the school situation goes.

I don't have children so I really can't speak much to good parenting versus bad. But I agree that some parents can be abusive. I feel that some parents do try and control their kids beliefs. I grew up in a conservative family with a bunch of religious nut cases. They did nothing but force God and Jesus down my throat until I finally rebelled in my teens. They've all disliked/hated me ever since. So to your point I agree they shouldn't control their child's beliefs but it does happen unfortunately. I do see parents (who are control freaks) seeing their child having access to speak with another adult about such things as undermining them as the parent. People tend to freak out when it comes to their kids, so yeah I can see some parents having an issue with it.

undermining abusive parents? yeah, i do see that. that's a necessary thing in my opinion, in order to protect children.

[Lazerus]

Conspiracy theories, transgender & gay rights, the Olympics, Nixon etc. and I'm pretty sure I missed a topic or two lol
This conversation has become increasingly difficult to keep up with but I'm trying

I'm beyond fed up with the voter conspiracy shit from the far right so I'm not even going to comment on it, same with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

as for the Transgender topic. I don't really care what others do or how they live their lives as long as it doesn't affect me personally. Someone being trans does not affect me. Now as far as young children go, I do not agree with indoctrination of the children in schools. (this goes for the LGBTQ stuff and religion) They are there to learn academics not be told something is ok when it could go against their parents/family's beliefs. Young children are highly impressionable and our publics schools should not be used to push such agendas. It should be left up to the parents if they want to discuss those topics with their children or not. This is my opinion.

I don't watch the Olympics so I could care less what is happening and Nixon was 50 years ago, don't give a shit about it either.

transgender or gay indoctrination in schools isn't really happening. and i think that's part of the reason that desantis failed at a presidential campaign. still, parents can be abusive to kids to keep them from expressing themselves in the "wrong" way. if they were not abusive, their children would not look to other adults to talk to away from the parents. '

was there a nixon mention? i missed that.

If parents or a family in general do not approve nor support being trans then how is that abusing the child? Perhaps I misunderstood you and you were meaning emotional or physical abuse, then yeah that's another story but the parents simply not approving if their lifestyle choice is not abuse. Also parents have a right to say a child cannot dress or act in a certain manner while they're underage and living at home. That's not abuse. (unless they're getting extreme with it in one way or another)

I saw Nixon brought up somewhere, perhaps it was in another thread but I was skimming through trying to catch up. lol

i just mean that parents can be abusive. not that all of them are. if you oppose your child's choices to the point that they feel so uncomfortable or threatened that they look elsewhere for support, then i think there should be an adult somewhere to turn to, in those cases. being a parent does not mean you can control your child's thoughts and beliefs. but trying to guide them respectfully is a parent's role, yeah. i just don't see that being undermined, as far as the school situation goes.

I don't have children so I really can't speak much to good parenting versus bad. But I agree that some parents can be abusive. I feel that some parents do try and control their kids beliefs. I grew up in a conservative family with a bunch of religious nut cases. They did nothing but force God and Jesus down my throat until I finally rebelled in my teens. They've all disliked/hated me ever since. So to your point I agree they shouldn't control their child's beliefs but it does happen unfortunately. I do see parents (who are control freaks) seeing their child having access to speak with another adult about such things as undermining them as the parent. People tend to freak out when it comes to their kids, so yeah I can see some parents having an issue with it.

undermining abusive parents? yeah, i do see that. that's a necessary thing in my opinion, in order to protect children.

I was speaking about parents in general. I personally know some parents who are not abusive but would feel that is undermining them as the parent. So it's a catch 22 situation in a way.

Anyway, I'm glad I don't have kids because the shit kids and parents have to deal with these days is just fucked.

[zombie]

I was speaking about parents in general. I personally know some parents who are not abusive but would feel that is undermining them as the parent. So it's a catch 22 situation in a way.

Anyway, I'm glad I don't have kids because the shit kids and parents have to deal with these days is just fucked.

i don't know. if responsible caring parents are being made to feel undermined. i don't know how that is? the kid is likely going to talk to their parent or guardian, rather than a school counselor or coach or whatever. or talk to both of them about the same things, at worst. but you feel differently? show me what you mean?

[Lazerus]

I was speaking about parents in general. I personally know some parents who are not abusive but would feel that is undermining them as the parent. So it's a catch 22 situation in a way.

Anyway, I'm glad I don't have kids because the shit kids and parents have to deal with these days is just fucked.

i don't know. if responsible caring parents are being made to feel undermined. i don't know how that is? the kid is likely going to talk to their parent or guardian, rather than a school counselor or coach or whatever. or talk to both of them about the same things, at worst. but you feel differently? show me what you mean?

There are some things a child might not feel comfortable talking about with their parents/Guardian. There was a lot of shit I never told my parents back int he day but told a counselor. Hence why I support there being school counselors. Again the couple I know, given their personalities I could see them being upset that the child didn't feel like they could speak with them as the parents etc. Not every persons situation is the same is basically what I am saying. You cannot assume that non-abusive parents wouldn't feel undermined. Depending on the subject matter but I would imagine a topic like transgender would spark those feelings in the parents.

[zombie]

I was speaking about parents in general. I personally know some parents who are not abusive but would feel that is undermining them as the parent. So it's a catch 22 situation in a way.

Anyway, I'm glad I don't have kids because the shit kids and parents have to deal with these days is just fucked.

i don't know. if responsible caring parents are being made to feel undermined. i don't know how that is? the kid is likely going to talk to their parent or guardian, rather than a school counselor or coach or whatever. or talk to both of them about the same things, at worst. but you feel differently? show me what you mean?

There are some things a child might not feel comfortable talking about with their parents/Guardian. There was a lot of shit I never told my parents back int he day but told a counselor. Hence why I support there being school counselors. Again the couple I know, given their personalities I could see them being upset that the child didn't feel like they could speak with them as the parents etc. Not every persons situation is the same is basically what I am saying. You cannot assume that non-abusive parents wouldn't feel undermined. Depending on the subject matter but I would imagine a topic like transgender would spark those feelings in the parents.

yeah, fair. any parent is going to feel undermined if their child doesn't want to talk to them about something that big in their life. so the parent can talk to their kid about why they weren't comfortable sharing it. try to understand the kid's point of view and repair whatever is causing that distance. rather than try to ban it in schools. to be clear, i don't think that understanding caring parents are the ones primarily pushing for that. but maybe some of them do get caught up into it.