Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:10 pm
Dubya’s presidency brought us endless war + destabilization in the Middle East and ended in global economic collapse. I don’t think Biden pardoning his dipshit son quite measures up.
Biden is escalating a nuclear war as he exits, combined with the fact that he inflated the economy, destroyed the border and so on.
Bush, Obama and Biden are the three interchangeable worst presidents of my lifetime.
Yeah, neither is anywhere in the same universe as Bush. Not sure why Obama is even in the conversation.
It's all subjective, really. As far as Obama, he has a laundry list of crap I have issues with. He used the espionage act to jail journalists and whistleblowers who were trying to bring government corruption to the forefront, eliminating privatized healthcare and forcing you to get it or pay a fine, habeas corpus, never closed Guantanamo, bombings, apologizing to world leaders on behalf of American citizens, the disastrous handling of Benghazi, arming the cartel, etc...
Credit where it's due, ending the Cuban embargo was pretty cool.
A lot of his presidency and the stuff you mentioned were continuations of Bush policies. I agree with a lot of it but we live in a Bush admin world. Obamacare was not a great compromise but the system had to be changed to something that at least resembles a modern health care system. The problem to me was not just ripping the band-aid off entirely. His admin also stabilized an economy at its worst low in 75 years.
It’s time to end the ridiculous Cuban policy and open things up formally. Democrats have nothing to lose there since it would only piss off right wing Batista-ites in Florida who would never vote for them.
This again!
Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves and IMO it's because he's black. (technically he is mixed but, we all know how this works). The ACA sucks and we should have a universal healthcare system in place just like the rest of the first world but we don't because of fucking greed and this is where Jiggy is right about the U.S. Capitalist system. (more on that another day) You are correct about the Obama administration stabilizing the economy. (One that Trump rode into the white house in 2017) but again Obama will never be given credit for it... for obvious reasons. Let's not forget that he ended the Iraq War.
Where he went wrong was escalating the War on Terror, shit handling on Benghazi, the Edward Snowden incident, and his foreign policies in general were lackluster. Especially with Russia.
Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:10 pm
Dubya’s presidency brought us endless war + destabilization in the Middle East and ended in global economic collapse. I don’t think Biden pardoning his dipshit son quite measures up.
Biden is escalating a nuclear war as he exits, combined with the fact that he inflated the economy, destroyed the border and so on.
Bush, Obama and Biden are the three interchangeable worst presidents of my lifetime.
Yeah, neither is anywhere in the same universe as Bush. Not sure why Obama is even in the conversation.
It's all subjective, really. As far as Obama, he has a laundry list of crap I have issues with. He used the espionage act to jail journalists and whistleblowers who were trying to bring government corruption to the forefront, eliminating privatized healthcare and forcing you to get it or pay a fine, habeas corpus, never closed Guantanamo, bombings, apologizing to world leaders on behalf of American citizens, the disastrous handling of Benghazi, arming the cartel, etc...
Credit where it's due, ending the Cuban embargo was pretty cool.
A lot of his presidency and the stuff you mentioned were continuations of Bush policies. I agree with a lot of it but we live in a Bush admin world. Obamacare was not a great compromise but the system had to be changed to something that at least resembles a modern health care system. The problem to me was not just ripping the band-aid off entirely. His admin also stabilized an economy at its worst low in 75 years.
It’s time to end the ridiculous Cuban policy and open things up formally. Democrats have nothing to lose there since it would only piss off right wing Batista-ites in Florida who would never vote for them.
This again!
Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves and IMO it's because he's black. (technically he is mixed but, we all know how this works). The ACA sucks and we should have a universal healthcare system in place just like the rest of the first world but we don't because of fucking greed and this is where Jiggy is right about the U.S. Capitalist system. (more on that another day) You are correct about the Obama administration stabilizing the economy. (One that Trump rode into the white house in 2017) but again Obama will never be given credit for it... for obvious reasons. Let's not forget that he ended the Iraq War.
Where he went wrong was escalating the War on Terror, shit handling on Benghazi, the Edward Snowden incident, and his foreign policies in general were lackluster. Especially with Russia.
Yeah Obama definitely dropped the ball on the looming Russia threat. It’s also a continuation of every president’s failures post-Soviet collapse. The US was only concerned with profiting from Russia’s conversion to western capitalism and basically sold the country out to oligarchs. Was inevitable that it would turn to shit and they would turn to a strongman like Putin appealing to their nationalist pride.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:02 pm
in lists like those, would you count trump as two different spots or lump his presidencies together, despite there being someone else in between them?
I feel like his second term is going to be even better now that he has a grasp of who the warmongers and unipartyists are. But I think I would still lump them together. To my knowledge I've never seen a presidential list that has Grover Cleveland's two terms separated and ranked.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:02 pm
in lists like those, would you count trump as two different spots or lump his presidencies together, despite there being someone else in between them?
I feel like his second term is going to be even better now that he has a grasp of who the warmongers and unipartyists are. But I think I would still lump them together. To my knowledge I've never seen a presidential list that has Grover Cleveland's two terms separated and ranked.
cleveland didn't even have a vp for his second term? maybe trump should have followed that example.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:10 pm
i think people hate trump because he's like the andrew tate of presidents.
I know very little of Andrew Tate and have only seen a couple clips of him being overly macho for the sake of clicks. Not that I would want to rank human beings but I don't see him and Trump comparable in any way except for maybe certain ideologies as opposed to personality.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:02 pm
in lists like those, would you count trump as two different spots or lump his presidencies together, despite there being someone else in between them?
I feel like his second term is going to be even better now that he has a grasp of who the warmongers and unipartyists are. But I think I would still lump them together. To my knowledge I've never seen a presidential list that has Grover Cleveland's two terms separated and ranked.
cleveland didn't even have a vp for his second term? maybe trump should have followed that example.
Hard to pick between some and I'm not gonna pretend like I know everything about their presidency. lol
I'm surprised by your ranking of Clinton so I'd like to get your overall opinion of him. And Grover Cleveland
I don't put in his "Clinton kill list" in line with his presidency. Judging by just what he did while in office he wasn't exactly awful. That being said though, I think the only two good presidents in my lifetime were Trump and Reagan, and although I don't know anywhere near enough to make a full presidential ranking, I'd guess that Reagan might fall around the top ten or perhaps even just outside it? Haven't thought that far ahead.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:10 pm
i think people hate trump because he's like the andrew tate of presidents.
I know very little of Andrew Tate and have only seen a couple clips of him being overly macho for the sake of clicks. Not that I would want to rank human beings but I don't see him and Trump comparable in any way except for maybe certain ideologies as opposed to personality.
well. we're not gonna agree. and i don't want you to like tate too.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:10 pm
i think people hate trump because he's like the andrew tate of presidents.
I know very little of Andrew Tate and have only seen a couple clips of him being overly macho for the sake of clicks. Not that I would want to rank human beings but I don't see him and Trump comparable in any way except for maybe certain ideologies as opposed to personality.
well. we're not gonna agree. and i don't want you to like tate too.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:10 pm
i think people hate trump because he's like the andrew tate of presidents.
I know very little of Andrew Tate and have only seen a couple clips of him being overly macho for the sake of clicks. Not that I would want to rank human beings but I don't see him and Trump comparable in any way except for maybe certain ideologies as opposed to personality.
well. we're not gonna agree. and i don't want you to like tate too.
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:10 pm
i think people hate trump because he's like the andrew tate of presidents.
I know very little of Andrew Tate and have only seen a couple clips of him being overly macho for the sake of clicks. Not that I would want to rank human beings but I don't see him and Trump comparable in any way except for maybe certain ideologies as opposed to personality.
well. we're not gonna agree. and i don't want you to like tate too.
I can't remember Nixon because I was 1 or Ford because I was 3. I can only remember Jimmy Carter losing his reelection in 1980 nothing about his time as president. I do remember everyone being happy he lost.
