Police: "We only kill black people"

[Foo]

Ok, so the guy wasn't a suspect. They didn't have a warrant. The nurse was in the right. She was following Hipaa laws. And if she does allow the cop to do this, she could be sued by the guy. I am on team "Nurse". What if that was you?

Good lord. J-Mac's School of Jurisprudence.

See, this is the shit where you are kind of a dick to me. It's all good. I was just trying to give my opinions and thoughts. At least try to be funny about it. You can be a funny guy, so let's show it!

It was funny. I was imagining you in the robe and everything.

Where you go off on the rails is deciding the nurse was correct with so little knowledge. I am not saying I am correct, I am saying that we should not oversimplify a situation where two professionals are arguing about law that applies to them both in a state that neither of us live in.

The posted video is an attempt to say "Look at the boogeyman cop!". I am saying lets try to wait for more facts, perhaps learn a little, and then we can make an actual informed opinion.

I kinda agree, but I didn't go off the rails, lol. But we do see a pretty big picture of what happened. What if that was you, or one of your employees. She was following protocol. The cop was a dick. And I have cop friends and I am not just saying that. I am not anti cop.

Where does the video begin? (Hint: not the beginning of the conversation)

Might there be a reason for that? For instance, the cop explaining the reason he is asking for the blood to be drawn and the need to do so in a timely manner? Perhaps the cop citing the laws and his authority in that circumstance.

My employees are told to comply with law enforcement. They are not to play amateur lawyer and start trying to cite the constitution and such. If a situation arises, they comply with the cop and we handle everything later, including an injustice we believe happened.

And yes, this conversation has happened. I have a young employee who I love. He is a black dude with dreads. He smells of weed because he smokes a lot. He has also been robbed in the past and enjoys guns so he has a permit to carry. It is often a discussion I have with him about being an aggressive driver, black, smelling of weed, and having a gun in the car. No matter what he thinks, comply and handle the legal stuff later.

Foo, I will say that it is awesome that although you hate the weed demon, you are giving this guy a chance, but where are your rights as a citizen? She was following protocol. But when you say the cop has more rights, for better or for worse, I am lost. I would think that out of everyone, you would be the first to stick up for her.

Again, she was doing nothing wrong. Should I watch the video again? Maybe I am missing something. I will watch again. Maybe I am just having a knee jerk reaction.

He is a good person and a good employee. He has worked with me for over a year. I don't care what people do in their free time. I tell him I think he is stupid for using and it holds him back, also.

Where did I say the cop has more rights? I said exigent circumstances create exceptions under the law. It is not his right, it is the publi's right to justice. Evidence was being destroyed.

She was following policy. The ONLY thing she did wrong was her reaction to the moment he began the arrest.

[Jmac Attack]

I get ya Foo, and good stuff. But, I still side with the nurse. Was the cop above the law? Why? She was following the law. She didn't break any laws. And then his aggressiveness was an abuse of power. Did you not see the video from another employee? It pretty much says it all and who was the dick.

[Jmac Attack]

Ok, so the guy wasn't a suspect. They didn't have a warrant. The nurse was in the right. She was following Hipaa laws. And if she does allow the cop to do this, she could be sued by the guy. I am on team "Nurse". What if that was you?

Good lord. J-Mac's School of Jurisprudence.

See, this is the shit where you are kind of a dick to me. It's all good. I was just trying to give my opinions and thoughts. At least try to be funny about it. You can be a funny guy, so let's show it!

It was funny. I was imagining you in the robe and everything.

Where you go off on the rails is deciding the nurse was correct with so little knowledge. I am not saying I am correct, I am saying that we should not oversimplify a situation where two professionals are arguing about law that applies to them both in a state that neither of us live in.

The posted video is an attempt to say "Look at the boogeyman cop!". I am saying lets try to wait for more facts, perhaps learn a little, and then we can make an actual informed opinion.

I kinda agree, but I didn't go off the rails, lol. But we do see a pretty big picture of what happened. What if that was you, or one of your employees. She was following protocol. The cop was a dick. And I have cop friends and I am not just saying that. I am not anti cop.

Where does the video begin? (Hint: not the beginning of the conversation)

Might there be a reason for that? For instance, the cop explaining the reason he is asking for the blood to be drawn and the need to do so in a timely manner? Perhaps the cop citing the laws and his authority in that circumstance.

My employees are told to comply with law enforcement. They are not to play amateur lawyer and start trying to cite the constitution and such. If a situation arises, they comply with the cop and we handle everything later, including an injustice we believe happened.

And yes, this conversation has happened. I have a young employee who I love. He is a black dude with dreads. He smells of weed because he smokes a lot. He has also been robbed in the past and enjoys guns so he has a permit to carry. It is often a discussion I have with him about being an aggressive driver, black, smelling of weed, and having a gun in the car. No matter what he thinks, comply and handle the legal stuff later.

Foo, I will say that it is awesome that although you hate the weed demon, you are giving this guy a chance, but where are your rights as a citizen? She was following protocol. But when you say the cop has more rights, for better or for worse, I am lost. I would think that out of everyone, you would be the first to stick up for her.

Again, she was doing nothing wrong. Should I watch the video again? Maybe I am missing something. I will watch again. Maybe I am just having a knee jerk reaction.

He is a good person and a good employee. He has worked with me for over a year. I don't care what people do in their free time. I tell him I think he is stupid for using and it holds him back, also.

Where did I say the cop has more rights? I said exigent circumstances create exceptions under the law. It is not his right, it is the publi's right to justice. Evidence was being destroyed.

She was following policy. The ONLY thing she did wrong was her reaction to the moment he began the arrest.

Well, if you are unjustly being arrested, I hope you react better than she did. I don't even think she overreacted. She was basically having a normal reaction because she done nothing wrong. I would probably shit my pants too.

[Jmac Attack]

Cop- we are going to tear your place apart to search for drugs!

Foo- Go ahead.

Cops- we found some white stuff!

Foo-Its cool to arrest me. I will prove my Innocence.

[Foo]

I get ya Foo, and good stuff. But, I still side with the nurse. Was the cop above the law? Why? She was following the law. She didn't break any laws. And then his aggressiveness was an abuse of power. Did you not see the video from another employee? It pretty much says it all and who was the dick.

Let me give an example:

You are driving down the road and someone swerves into your lane causing an accident that sends you to the hospital in a coma. You had one drink. The other driver is in better physical condition, had a couple drinks, claiming that you caused the accident.

Do you want systems in place that allow for the police to find you justice without getting bogged down in bureaucratic bullshit? Do you think the cops rushed to the hospital that night because the vending machines are so good, or because they were investigating a tragic accident?

Again, this is evidence that is being destroyed. It can help you or hurt you, depending on the results. Now, let's say the police cannnot get hold of a magistrate to get a quick warrant. Hours later, they get the warrant, and there is some alcohol in the system but not above the DUI level. What was it at the time of the accident?

You die. The other guy's lawyer is claiming you had alcohol in your system, and the combination of your body processing it and the IV, there is no way to prove you were sober. Your family has essentially lost any possibility of replacing your financial value in a lawsuit because you could not consent and they could not get a warrant fast enough.

[Foo]

Cop- we are going to tear your place apart to search for drugs!

Foo- Go ahead.

Cops- we found some white stuff!

Foo-Its cool to arrest me. I will prove my Innocence.

As opposed to what? Screaming like trailer trash and fighting the hand cuffs? That works...

You are damn right I am gonna be calm. I am a big dude. I worry more about them cuffing me with my hands behind my back and how much that shit would hurt my shoulders after awhile. I want to be nice and non-threatening so I get the front cuffs.

[showa58taro]

Man, I am impressed the length to which Foo will try and defend bad cops.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Cop- we are going to tear your place apart to search for drugs!

Foo- Go ahead.

Cops- we found some white stuff!

Foo-Its cool to arrest me. I will prove my Innocence.

*Devil's advocate*

He could prove innocence by revealing it's just baking powder or powdered sugar. He is a chef after all

[Foo]

Man, I am impressed the length to which Foo will try and defend bad cops.

Cop is at the hospital trying to get evidence so there is justice for the victim and society. Clearly this makes him a bad cop.

I have noticed a trend where some people think any time a cop is doing the tough parts of their job, you know, the parts we would all hate, they are bad.

[zombie]

wouldn't call him a bad cop. but could have handled that better. the nurse could have handled things better too.

as to the point about we don't see the full situation. maybe, but it is his own body cam that we're seeing. if there is more there, then the police could release it. until then, we have what we have.

she showed him the hospital policy (which i assume is based on laws in the area?). she was on the phone with several supervisors. he got fed up, for whatever reason, and tried to snatch the phone from her. then he forcibly cuffed her and dragged her out to his car, even while her supervisors were on the way. did they even get the blood they wanted, after all of that?

if there was evidence being destroyed, as foo mentioned was possible. what was it? was the guy's blood being destroyed? what evidence did they need to keep from being destroyed, that required his blood to be drawn, in a rush? why couldn't they get a warrant?

[Foo]

BAC destroys itself in the body. That is why getting a samples as soon as possible is important. Not only is your own body removing it, but you are getting IV fluids and other medications pumped into you unnaturally.

Following an accident, you BAC is important evidence. It can work for you or against you. Again, the victim could have been drunk or he could have been sober and the blood is evidence. That man is now dead, bad policy could prevent his family seeing justice.

Depending on the area, getting a warrant may not be gat easy. Remember, the entire reason warrants exist is so that a third party is determining it is necessary. If they decide to pull a little power play or are simply not available or busy, evidence can be lost. That is why exigent circumstances exist, for the times when there is a rush to obtain evidence before it is destroyed.

[zombie]

so even after all of that force, they didn't get the blood? if it had been obtained illegally (as in without a warrant or consent from the guy), would there be any justice to be had?

[Foo]

so even after all of that force, they didn't get the blood? if it had been obtained illegally (as in without a warrant or consent from the guy), would there be any justice to be had?

What makes you think all evidence, including blood evidence must be obtained with a warrant or consent? Requirements depend on circumstances, which is why it is not clear cut.

[Jmac Attack]

Cop- we are going to tear your place apart to search for drugs!

Foo- Go ahead.

Cops- we found some white stuff!

Foo-Its cool to arrest me. I will prove my Innocence.

*Devil's advocate*

He could prove innocence by revealing it's just baking powder or powdered sugar. He is a chef after all

Bwahahahaha!

[Jmac Attack]

Man, I am impressed the length to which Foo will try and defend bad cops.

My cop buddy shared the story on Facebook, and all of his cop buddy s are talking about it. Haven't seen anyone agree with Foo yet.

[zombie]

not all evidence. but this evidence, because of the policy cited by that nurse and by the supervisors she was speaking to. it can be obtained without a warrant. what justice would there be, if it was obtained illegally?

if the cop was doing things correctly and by the book, evigant circumstance and all that, why was he unable to find someone else to take the blood from the victim?

[Foo]

Man, I am impressed the length to which Foo will try and defend bad cops.

My cop buddy shared the story on Facebook, and all of his cop buddy s are talking about it. Haven't seen anyone agree with Foo yet.

Clearly they all probably think killing black people is ok and do not know the law, etc, etc. They are cops after all, right comrades!

You know who shared a different viewpoint, the cops actually in that situation.

[Foo]

not all evidence. but this evidence, because of the policy cited by that nurse and by the supervisors she was speaking to. it can be obtained without a warrant. what justice would there be, if it was obtained illegally?

if the cop was doing things correctly and by the book, evigant circumstance and all that, why was he unable to find someone else to take the blood from the victim?

Do you think all businesses' policy and the law perfectly match?

I believe he was there to take blood himself from the victim and was obstructed.

[Foo]

By the way, expect laws to change everywhere very soon in regards to blood samples. With so many pills and so much weed out there, taking blood at traffic stops is going to be the new norm and laws will change to accommodate it.

[zombie]

not all evidence. but this evidence, because of the policy cited by that nurse and by the supervisors she was speaking to. it can be obtained without a warrant. what justice would there be, if it was obtained illegally?

if the cop was doing things correctly and by the book, evigant circumstance and all that, why was he unable to find someone else to take the blood from the victim?

Do you think all businesses' policy and the law perfectly match?

I believe he was there to take blood himself from the victim and was obstructed.

i meant, was she the only nurse in the only hospital, that could take his blood if things were really done on the up and up?

i think that hospital policy regarding patients better be in line with the law, or else they can be punished under that law and sued. there is serious legal action that can be taken, because of the nature of their job, if they are not in compliance with local laws.