Foo wrote:Again, you cannot be a feminist and endorse porn.
I am a feminist, and I endorse porn. You are entirely wrong, Foo. It's as simple as that.
Love,
A feminist who endorses porn, like many feminists do, so please stop pretending otherwise.
I am a feminist and I declare you are not a feminist. I am the gold standard, you are lead painted yellow. Sorry.
You may well consider yourself a feminist. I don't know. What I do know is that I know plenty of feminists who are okay with pornography, as long as it is entirely consensual from beginning to end.
And you claiming that someone can't be okay with porn and call themselves a feminist is, while entirely within your right, foolish.
It's not some black-and-white issue. Some feminists are fine with porn, some aren't.
Some atheists are pro-life, some aren't.
Some Republicans hate black people, some don't.
But to you, all feminists must be against porn? Sorry, it's not at all logical or based in reality.
Foo wrote:Again, you cannot be a feminist and endorse porn.
I am a feminist, and I endorse porn. You are entirely wrong, Foo. It's as simple as that.
Love,
A feminist who endorses porn, like many feminists do, so please stop pretending otherwise.
I am a feminist and I declare you are not a feminist. I am the gold standard, you are lead painted yellow. Sorry.
You may well consider yourself a feminist. I don't know. What I do know is that I know plenty of feminists who are okay with pornography, as long as it is entirely consensual from beginning to end.
And you claiming that someone can't be okay with porn and call themselves a feminist is, while entirely within your right, foolish.
It's not some black-and-white issue. Some feminists are fine with porn, some aren't.
Some atheists are pro-life, some aren't.
Some Republicans hate black people, some don't.
But to you, all feminists must be against porn? Sorry, it's not at all logical or based in reality.
Anyone can call themselves a feminist, even if they do not feel females deserve equal rights or treatment, which is the foundation. A person who date rapes chicks every Saturday night at the club can call themselves a feminist.
A real feminists simply would not accept all the degradation that the porn industry heaps upon the most desperate women.
yay to jumping all over jig, instead of addressing actual points made. telling people they're all wrong and need to change themselves because you say so, is not at all abuse or manipulation. well done.
From abusive pasts to desperate presents, to coercion, to betrayal, to flat out lies.
- how do you feel watching a movie knowing the person is just doing it for drug money? Or because they are desperate to feed their child?
- how do you feel masturbating to the lowest moment in a person's life? Or perhaps a moment they trusted someone to share and they uploaded it against that person's will.
- how do you feel knowing the moment that gave you an erection has forever changed a persons life for the worse? That the dread every day believing their family, their boyfriend, their co-workers will see that desperate moment, not knowing before the guy came in her asshole, that she cried for an hour and had to be talked into it?
Again, you cannot be a feminist and endorse porn.
porn or not, you'll never know, for certain, who was manipulated into contributing to the making of that movie or whatever piece of art, or how many people were manipulated into it, if we're being honest about this.
It is an industry wide epidemic. Why pretend otherwise?
zombie wrote:yay to jumping all over jig, instead of addressing actual points made. telling people they're all wrong and need to change themselves because you say so, is not at all abuse or manipulation. well done.
I am 100% fine with manipulating people to do the right thing. It is my civic duty.
I am not saying he cannot watch porn, I am saying real feminists do not endorse porn because of how harmful it is to women.
Foo wrote:Again, you cannot be a feminist and endorse porn.
I am a feminist, and I endorse porn. You are entirely wrong, Foo. It's as simple as that.
Love,
A feminist who endorses porn, like many feminists do, so please stop pretending otherwise.
I am a feminist and I declare you are not a feminist. I am the gold standard, you are lead painted yellow. Sorry.
You may well consider yourself a feminist. I don't know. What I do know is that I know plenty of feminists who are okay with pornography, as long as it is entirely consensual from beginning to end.
And you claiming that someone can't be okay with porn and call themselves a feminist is, while entirely within your right, foolish.
It's not some black-and-white issue. Some feminists are fine with porn, some aren't.
Some atheists are pro-life, some aren't.
Some Republicans hate black people, some don't.
But to you, all feminists must be against porn? Sorry, it's not at all logical or based in reality.
Anyone can call themselves a feminist, even if they do not feel females deserve equal rights or treatment, which is the foundation. A person who date rapes chicks every Saturday night at the club can call themselves a feminist.
A real feminists simply would not accept all the degradation that the porn industry heaps upon the most desperate women.
"A real feminist."
You mean feminists who agree with you, not feminists who agree with me, just to be clear.
A real socialist would only vote for the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Any other self-proclaimed socialist who would vote for any other candidate from any other socialist party is not a real socialist.
You know how idiotic that statement sounds?
DId you read the part where I said that porn-positive feminists are trying to change the way porn is made? To give women more control? Are those also fake feminists?
Again, you're welcome to your mistaken beliefs, Foo.
if you watch american psycho and see christian bale nude, is that more justifiable than watching barbara crampton nude in re-animator? if you come across leaked photos of christian bale nude, is that more justified than coming across leaked photos of barbare crampton nude? is one less harmful than the other? instead of framing this, as if it's just a feminist thing.. let's actually look at the problem, as you see it to be, and discuss that. it's not limited to one gender alone. (though it could be argued that it happens more often with one gender than the other) but let's actually have a discussion, rather than just telling another member that they are doing their life wrong.
zombie wrote:yay to jumping all over jig, instead of addressing actual points made. telling people they're all wrong and need to change themselves because you say so, is not at all abuse or manipulation. well done.
I am 100% fine with manipulating people to do the right thing. It is my civic duty.
I am not saying he cannot watch porn, I am saying real feminists do not endorse porn because of how harmful it is to women.
I am a real feminist, and I endorse porn. So you're wrong.
Again.
I'll keep posting this same thing, you keep posting other. I don't mind upping my post count.
See what I mean by this arguments going absolutely nowhere?
If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
From abusive pasts to desperate presents, to coercion, to betrayal, to flat out lies.
- how do you feel watching a movie knowing the person is just doing it for drug money? Or because they are desperate to feed their child?
- how do you feel masturbating to the lowest moment in a person's life? Or perhaps a moment they trusted someone to share and they uploaded it against that person's will.
- how do you feel knowing the moment that gave you an erection has forever changed a persons life for the worse? That the dread every day believing their family, their boyfriend, their co-workers will see that desperate moment, not knowing before the guy came in her asshole, that she cried for an hour and had to be talked into it?
Again, you cannot be a feminist and endorse porn.
porn or not, you'll never know, for certain, who was manipulated into contributing to the making of that movie or whatever piece of art, or how many people were manipulated into it, if we're being honest about this.
It is an industry wide epidemic. Why pretend otherwise?
i think that the porn industry, as it is now, is probably pretty close to hollywood, as far as manipulation goes vs. consent. you said earlier in this thread that hollywood is a cesspool. is that to mean that you have decided not to watch anything produced in hollywood?
Jigsaw wrote:If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
It seem really simple to me, Foo.
When is someone not a vegan? If they ate meat when they were younger, but do not now, are they vegan? What if they ate meat two years ago, but not today? What if they ate meat for breakfast and then condemned meat eating at lunch?
Again, you can call yourself a feminist, but you are not if you endorse porn because it hurts women. A dude who rapes a chick every night can call himself a feminist, the actions suggest otherwise.
Jigsaw wrote:If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
It seem really simple to me, Foo.
When is someone not a vegan? If they ate meat when they were younger, but do not now, are they vegan? What if they ate meat two years ago, but not today? What if they ate meat for breakfast and then condemned meat eating at lunch?
Again, you can call yourself a feminist, but you are not if you endorse porn because it hurts women. A dude who rapes a chick every night can call himself a feminist, the actions suggest otherwise.
If someone is choosing to not actively eat meat, along with other possible guidelines, and they call themselves a vegan, then they are a vegan.
Porn hurts both men and women. So does gambling. So do parents. So does Trump. But not all porn hurts women. Not all gambling hurts women. Not all parents hurt women. Trump doesn't hurt all women.
So I am a feminist, damn proud of it, and I endorse porn. So again, you're wrong.
From abusive pasts to desperate presents, to coercion, to betrayal, to flat out lies.
- how do you feel watching a movie knowing the person is just doing it for drug money? Or because they are desperate to feed their child?
- how do you feel masturbating to the lowest moment in a person's life? Or perhaps a moment they trusted someone to share and they uploaded it against that person's will.
- how do you feel knowing the moment that gave you an erection has forever changed a persons life for the worse? That the dread every day believing their family, their boyfriend, their co-workers will see that desperate moment, not knowing before the guy came in her asshole, that she cried for an hour and had to be talked into it?
Again, you cannot be a feminist and endorse porn.
porn or not, you'll never know, for certain, who was manipulated into contributing to the making of that movie or whatever piece of art, or how many people were manipulated into it, if we're being honest about this.
It is an industry wide epidemic. Why pretend otherwise?
i think that the porn industry, as it is now, is probably pretty close to hollywood, as far as manipulation goes vs. consent. you said earlier in this thread that hollywood is a cesspool. is that to mean that you have decided not to watch anything produced in hollywood?
A woman will often take their family to a hollywood premier. Think they are taking their parents and kids to watch the porn they just made?
Again, think about the constant fear of people in your life discovering the porn you once did while desperate. Not quite like that with a hollywood film. Jamie Kennedy shows his face in public.
Foo claiming he's a feminist but against pro-choice movement. Hahahahaha what a fake feminist.
Only you're not, because i recognize that there are pro-life feminists and pro-choice feminists. I'm not stupid or ignorant enough to say that "only pro-choice individuals who say they're feminists are real feminists."
Though based on your lack of logic, perhaps you'd prefer I take that narrow attitude.
Your argument makes no sense, Foo, but I am happy to keep explaining to you how you're wrong.
Jigsaw wrote:If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
It seem really simple to me, Foo.
When is someone not a vegan? If they ate meat when they were younger, but do not now, are they vegan? What if they ate meat two years ago, but not today? What if they ate meat for breakfast and then condemned meat eating at lunch?
Again, you can call yourself a feminist, but you are not if you endorse porn because it hurts women. A dude who rapes a chick every night can call himself a feminist, the actions suggest otherwise.
If someone is choosing to not actively eat meat, along with other possible guidelines, and they call themselves a vegan, then they are a vegan.
Porn hurts both men and women. So does gambling. So do parents. So does Trump. But not all porn hurts women. Not all gambling hurts women. Not all parents hurt women. Trump doesn't hurt all women.
So I am a feminist, damn proud of it, and I endorse porn. So again, you're wrong.
Next?
If it was not overwhelming, I would not even be making this argument.
Jigsaw wrote:If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
It seem really simple to me, Foo.
When is someone not a vegan? If they ate meat when they were younger, but do not now, are they vegan? What if they ate meat two years ago, but not today? What if they ate meat for breakfast and then condemned meat eating at lunch?
Again, you can call yourself a feminist, but you are not if you endorse porn because it hurts women. A dude who rapes a chick every night can call himself a feminist, the actions suggest otherwise.
If someone is choosing to not actively eat meat, along with other possible guidelines, and they call themselves a vegan, then they are a vegan.
Porn hurts both men and women. So does gambling. So do parents. So does Trump. But not all porn hurts women. Not all gambling hurts women. Not all parents hurt women. Trump doesn't hurt all women.
So I am a feminist, damn proud of it, and I endorse porn. So again, you're wrong.
Next?
If it was not overwhelming, I would not even be making this argument.
And so are the feminists who are trying to make porn more fair to women still feminists, in your eyes? Or are they just perpetuating a system that will always be unfair to women?
I can guess your answer, but thought I'd ask anyway.
Jigsaw wrote:If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
It seem really simple to me, Foo.
When is someone not a vegan? If they ate meat when they were younger, but do not now, are they vegan? What if they ate meat two years ago, but not today? What if they ate meat for breakfast and then condemned meat eating at lunch?
Again, you can call yourself a feminist, but you are not if you endorse porn because it hurts women. A dude who rapes a chick every night can call himself a feminist, the actions suggest otherwise.
If someone is choosing to not actively eat meat, along with other possible guidelines, and they call themselves a vegan, then they are a vegan.
Porn hurts both men and women. So does gambling. So do parents. So does Trump. But not all porn hurts women. Not all gambling hurts women. Not all parents hurt women. Trump doesn't hurt all women.
So I am a feminist, damn proud of it, and I endorse porn. So again, you're wrong.
Next?
If it was not overwhelming, I would not even be making this argument.
And so are the feminists who are trying to make porn more fair to women still feminists, in your eyes? Or are they just perpetuating a system that will always be unfair to women?
I can guess your answer, but thought I'd ask anyway.
Jigsaw wrote:If I say I am a vegan, and I post pictures of myself eating real pork hot dogs and pure beef hamburgers, you can tell me I'm not a vegan, as that would be factual.
If I say I'm a feminist, and I post about how porn can positively be used to empower women (if they so choose), and you say I'm not a feminist, then that's your opinion, based on your definition of "feminist," not a fact.
It seem really simple to me, Foo.
When is someone not a vegan? If they ate meat when they were younger, but do not now, are they vegan? What if they ate meat two years ago, but not today? What if they ate meat for breakfast and then condemned meat eating at lunch?
Again, you can call yourself a feminist, but you are not if you endorse porn because it hurts women. A dude who rapes a chick every night can call himself a feminist, the actions suggest otherwise.
If someone is choosing to not actively eat meat, along with other possible guidelines, and they call themselves a vegan, then they are a vegan.
Porn hurts both men and women. So does gambling. So do parents. So does Trump. But not all porn hurts women. Not all gambling hurts women. Not all parents hurt women. Trump doesn't hurt all women.
So I am a feminist, damn proud of it, and I endorse porn. So again, you're wrong.
Next?
If it was not overwhelming, I would not even be making this argument.
And so are the feminists who are trying to make porn more fair to women still feminists, in your eyes? Or are they just perpetuating a system that will always be unfair to women?
I can guess your answer, but thought I'd ask anyway.
they are idiots pissing up a rope.
Never heard that phrase before. But I get the gist, and while it's your opinion, you're wrong.
