Star Wars The Last Jedi

[zombie]

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What spin? Internet's gon' internet. As long as the left continues to whine about racism all over the news media, the internet is gonna drag it down and make a big spectacle of it. Was the guy who edited it racist? How the fuck should I know? It was a less than stellar attempt at being funny, I can tell you that much. More people would've laughed at my joke.

the part of the internet "that's gon' internet" are trolls and assholes. they are not bitching to draw attention to hypocrisy. they are bitching because they don't want their movie universe to have diversity.

You can see it that way, if you want. And it could definitely be true. I see it as that Star Wars nerd didn't like the character and thought it would be funny to vent frustration by (?)editing the girl's Star Wars page(?). Could be a racist, might not be, I honestly don't give a shit. lol. Are you assuming this specific Star Wars nerd is white, btw? How do you know it wasn't a black person, or a Japanese Star Wars fan?

i never said they were white. it's probable, but they might not be. if the backlash was limited to one stupid jerk editing a fanpage, it wouldn't even have made a blip on the radar.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

The "I'm not racist but..." crowd seemed very mad online about the Asian character getting major screen time.

Mhmm. Hell, I thought it was daring to use an asian woman who wasn't even the stereotypical cute asian chick, she was pretty bland to look at, to me. (my friend though has hardcore yellow fever, so he was all like "ho ho, speak for yourself!" when I mentioned that lol)

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Didn't feel like anything was forced to me. All the major characters, new and old, were very likable. No one in the movie made an issue of their race. I didn't feel like I was being beaten over the head with any kind of social commentary at all.

Tigg gets it.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Because it was... FORCEd

is there any reason narrative-ly that non-white characters or non-male characters should not have a big presence within the movie? if so, then it might be forced.

I don't know, I hardly give a fuck about Star Wars and didn't even know there was an asian character, let alone people whining about it. Lol.

People like to spin shit, though. Are people whining that the character is asian, or that the asian character sucked? I thought Kevin Tran was a lame ass character in Supernatural, not because he was asian, but because he was a lame ass character.

you specifically said it was forced. but we can move on.

i've heard people say that the character was under-used or the things they had her do were lame. and i've heard others say that she's asian and that's "sjw". same thing with rey as the lead (and the girl from rogue one too). if you don't like the actions of the character, that's completely justified. if you don't like her skin color or gender, fuck off.

It was joke! Force, as in, "The Force"... d. I never even saw the movie. :p

I'd be pissed if they made a Friday remake starring white people. Is that rassist of me?

i got the pun, thanks.

no. let them make the marketing decisions they wanna make.

Fuck that. If I see a white dude playing Smokey, I'm rioting.

you didn't riot when liam neeson played ras' al ghul. and kelly marie tran wasn't even playing an existing character in the star wars films. ( "First introduced in the 2017 film Star Wars: The Last Jedi,")

I honestly don't remember much about Star Wars. I do remember being annoyed that we didn't get to see Lando Carlissian in the prequels, though.

We are getting Lando in the Solo movie. I think they perfectly cast Donald Glover in the role too (I know he's actually cast, I'm saying I think he's perfectly cast). Not sure about the guy playing young Han though.

[Tiggnutz]

Didn't feel like anything was forced to me. All the major characters, new and old, were very likable. No one in the movie made an issue of their race. I didn't feel like I was being beaten over the head with any kind of social commentary at all.

Tigg gets it.

Gets what?

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Didn't feel like anything was forced to me. All the major characters, new and old, were very likable. No one in the movie made an issue of their race. I didn't feel like I was being beaten over the head with any kind of social commentary at all.

Tigg gets it.

Gets what?

Wow my bad. I totally thought I was quoting you. Maybe it's because the hues in both of your avatars and signatures are in the similar range.

*Ahem* Monster gets it

[Tiggnutz]

Didn't feel like anything was forced to me. All the major characters, new and old, were very likable. No one in the movie made an issue of their race. I didn't feel like I was being beaten over the head with any kind of social commentary at all.

Tigg gets it.

Gets what?

Wow my bad. I totally thought I was quoting you. Maybe it's because the hues in both of your avatars and signatures are in the similar range.

*Ahem* Monster gets it

I also feel the same way, you are only going to notice that stuff if you are actively looking for it.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Didn't feel like anything was forced to me. All the major characters, new and old, were very likable. No one in the movie made an issue of their race. I didn't feel like I was being beaten over the head with any kind of social commentary at all.

Tigg gets it.

Gets what?

Wow my bad. I totally thought I was quoting you. Maybe it's because the hues in both of your avatars and signatures are in the similar range.

*Ahem* Monster gets it

I also feel the same way, you are only going to notice that stuff if you are actively looking for it.

Yeppers.

[Tiggnutz]

I have seen lots of negativity about The Last Jedi and i really cant figure it out. I guess you cant please everyone.

[zombie]

i think that rogue one is my favorite star wars film, but i'd have to see the rest of them to make a full ranking like some of you guys have done.

[Slaughterhouserock]

I have seen lots of negativity about The Last Jedi and i really cant figure it out. I guess you cant please everyone.

I don't hate it, but I don't see why people think it's great either. It was very much meh to me. The out of place humor, the pointless casino side quest(and the forced love interest that came with it), the "we need a new toy line" creature, Luke being a bitch(which even Mark Hamill has said was against character), Rey just knowing how to use the force after only one session with Luke, and the plot in general was not that good. Eighty percent of the film is the "good guys" slowly moving away from the "bad guys" while they run out of gas. The lady in charge won't tell anyone what's going on because plot reasons, i.e. they need to milk for time and add in a casino scene. And the "bad guys" just want to wait it out instead of sending in smaller ships to finish them off. That, to me, just shows that they wanted all this other stuff to happen, but didn't know what to do with everyone else, so they made a slow chase scene to kill time.

So yeah, I think it's meh. I was checking my watch to see how much longer I had to sit through it. I kinda wanna blame the director, since it's a different one than the previous film, and I had no issue with that one. Even though it was essentially the same as the first film, at least it was still entertaining.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

**********SPOILERS***********

Casino side quest wasn't pointless. It's point was two things: (1) showing people benefiting from the wars (along with DJ showing Finn that there's more than just "good guys" and "bad guys", since Finn's subplot involves deciding where he stands, running away, and climaxing when his declaration of himself as "Rebel Scum") and (2) showing that missions canfail (failure is a huge theme in the movie, along with learning from them). Yeah, in hindsight they could've not done the entire thing, but they can't see the future thus they thought it was a good mission at the time. I liked the realism of that. I didn't have a problem with the length of it, but I also don't think it would've hurt to trim 5-10 minutes out of it either for pacing, as it's definitely the spot people felt was going on too long.

Mark Hamill's actual critique reflected more on what JJ Abrams set up than what Rian Johnson finished with, and I still say we got the old Luke back, with even references to his Return of the Jedi-ness in his flashbacks (it's just like when he raged on Darth Vader when his sister is threatened, but stopped himself from killing him. The only difference is Kylo jumped to conclusions faster than Luke could shut off his lightsaber). I see people referencing that on Facebook (Hamill's comments), but I've read his actual comments and he just thinks that Luke wouldn't hide out like that when he failed something. Which is probably true, but it's what JJ set up in Force Awakens, not Rian in Last Jedi. Rian used that as a platform for continuity (which is where Hamill was complaining/disagreeing to Rian) and had Luke redeem his former self in the climax of the movie (cementing his legend in its awesomeness). And I'm sorry, did you describe Luke as a "bitch" in this one? Did we forget how he was in episodes 4 and 5? lol. The man can be a bitch He's just old now, so he's a grumpy old bitch instead of a whiny bitch.

One doesn't need training to actually use the force, many force sensitives can use it without even knowing it (like the "natural" pilot skills of Skywalkers, Rey's "natural" tech savy, tech savy). When she had her mind tapped into in Force Awakens, that was the bubble-pop she needed to start really using it and she only gets better with practice. What she did is still no where on the level of what Luke did with no training or practice (bending a laser 45 degrees in mid air), all she did was lift rocks. Even the RPGs (both Saga Edition and Fantasy Flight edition, which the latter is considered canon) have characters able to be force sensitive (select it as basically a feat) without having to take a Jedi class. You're less powerful because you don't get all the advanced training, but you can still progressively do stuff. I often suspect Rey may have been a character JJ made when he played the Saga edition or something

I also dug that Luke pointed out the hypocrisy in the Jedi religion, something I always felt. He was always a character that teetered more Grey than Light, so it was refreshing for him to call it like it is.

The leader (can't remember her name, Laura Dern's character) wouldn't tell anyone going on on Poe's low rank because it was "need to know" and she didn't know the guy at all (military IS like that) so it's not just plot reasons. It was frustrating that she wouldn't tell him, yeah, especially in hindsight, but it was needed for him to learn to also not to jump to conclusions (it did do a good job making her feel like she's a traitor from his perspective), because his actions tend to lose a lot of lives (even if his missions were successful), hence why the numbers of the resistance is down. I actually really like the movie shows characters having flaws and learning from them.

I've seen people reminded of the OJ Bronco police chase when it comes to this chase. I could see it. I think Rian wanted a space chase that didn't involve the go-to Light Speed, and I liked that different change of pace. It only seemed slow because we don't really get to see objects surrounding them to show speed (sorta like how movies show ribbons on fans to show they are moving air). Doesn't work for everyone, but I enjoyed it.

One thing that I didn't catch because I never watched it, was the tracking hyper space plot device was lifted from Battlestar Galactica. Never saw the show, but sounds like a fair complaint that it took from it.

Out of the new characters, I really liked DJ (Benicio Del Toro). He was finally a scoundrel type that didn't just side with the rebellion (like Han and Lando did), he sided with money lol. I hope we see more of him later. I didn't mind Rose at all. I kinda like that Finn wasn't sure if he had feelings in return to her (he might, but he seemed more surprised than anything when she kissed him), and I also like that she wasn't the cliche cute asian chick (they killer that one off in the beginning) and was more plain.

It's interesting you liked The Force Awakens though. I like it too, but am used to seeing people shit on it because it has so many homages to A New Hope. At least you're not one of the hypocrites that hated The Force Awakens for being to safe/similar while hating Last Jedi for being challenging/different lol. Those guys bug the shit out of me.

*hugs Slaughter*

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Oh, don't feel I'm attacking you. I just hear certain criticisms brought up and have to spill my point of view. I'm almost burnt out doing so I actually appreciate you aren't being a dickcheese hypocrite troll that doesn't know shit about it like others on FB.

*MORE SPOILERS*

I watched the Kevin Smith/Marc Bernardin review two nights ago, and I wanted to be in that crowd to answer what I thought was obvious: why couldn't Luke just appear in person and do what he did. Answers: 1. He wouldn't have gotten there in time even if he did raise his X-wing out of the water (I don't recall that thing having hyperdrive on it, but I could be wrong, I thought they needed to be aboard the cruisers to go into hyperspace) and 2. he wanted to guarantee success in what he was doing. If he was there in person, he wouldn't have been 100% successful. It's possible he could've done it, but not a sure thing. He's old, and *could* be struck down. He knew this. This way, he cemented himself legendary as the jedi who defied the First Order by himself, and mind trick every last one of those motherfuckers with a projection.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Looks like Hamill added to his statement, saying he was inartfully phrased. He added "I was quoted as saying to Rian that I fundamentally disagree with everything you decided about Luke, and it was inartfully phrased. What I was, was surprised at how he saw Luke. And it took me a while to get around to his way of thinking, but once I was there it was a thrilling experience. I hope it will be for the audience too." I guess he never saw look as one that bitches, lol, and it took Rian to show that to him The previous statements did sound more like he was complaining about the self-exiled failure place JJ put him in.

[zombie]

what are the chances of getting more of forest whitaker as saw gerrera? (i want to talk rogue one, cause i haven't seen last jedi)

[DancesWithWerewolves]

what are the chances of getting more of forest whitaker as saw gerrera? (i want to talk rogue one, cause i haven't seen last jedi)

Doubt it. He was one of the weak spots in Rogue One for me anyway. Not because of him, but because he felt like a complete waste, given how much he had been hyped up. Expected much more with his character.

I hear he's got a significant role on Star Wars Rebels.

[zombie]

what are the chances of getting more of forest whitaker as saw gerrera? (i want to talk rogue one, cause i haven't seen last jedi)

Doubt it. He was one of the weak spots in Rogue One for me anyway. Not because of him, but because he felt like a complete waste, given how much he had been hyped up. Expected much more with his character.

I hear he's got a significant role on Star Wars Rebels.

i didn't see the hype, other than he looked cool in the trailers. maybe he had a bigger role in the film before the reshoots. i am kind of curious how it looked as gareth edwards had intended it.

my only real gripe with the movie is that the finale should have felt more hopeless, until you expected them to lose completely when vader shows up, until the hand off of the plans. i think they could have played that up more with the music or something.

[zombie]

and i haven't seen any of the cartoons, cause i hadn't been feeling the movies for a long time.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

what are the chances of getting more of forest whitaker as saw gerrera? (i want to talk rogue one, cause i haven't seen last jedi)

Doubt it. He was one of the weak spots in Rogue One for me anyway. Not because of him, but because he felt like a complete waste, given how much he had been hyped up. Expected much more with his character.

I hear he's got a significant role on Star Wars Rebels.

i didn't see the hype, other than he looked cool in the trailers. maybe he had a bigger role in the film before the reshoots. i am kind of curious how it looked as gareth edwards had intended it.

my only real gripe with the movie is that the finale should have felt more hopeless, until you expected them to lose completely when vader shows up, until the hand off of the plans. i think they could have played that up more with the music or something.

That's true, there was a ton of reshoots. Maybe there was more to him.

Odd, most people love that climax. I sure did, by far the best moment of the movie for me, Darth Vader finally being shown being the big bad threat we only heard about.

I really dig the 2nd half of Rogue One, the first half was "eh" to me.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

and i haven't seen any of the cartoons, cause i hadn't been feeling the movies for a long time.

I've only seen Clone Wars, I haven't gotten into Rebels yet.