zombie wrote:so, hopefully there can be a better balance found between theaters / studios and moviegoers. and on a larger scale between producers / service providers and consumers.
I think the gimmick just plays out. The home viewing experience is advancing at a much faster rate than the theatrical experience. Right now it is being propped up by oversaturation of certain IPs, but you can see the end of that is on the horizon. Anytime something gets that top heavy with little diversity, you fear the future of it.
zombie wrote:so, hopefully there can be a better balance found between theaters / studios and moviegoers. and on a larger scale between producers / service providers and consumers.
I think the gimmick just plays out. The home viewing experience is advancing at a much faster rate than the theatrical experience. Right now it is being propped up by oversaturation of certain IPs, but you can see the end of that is on the horizon. Anytime something gets that top heavy with little diversity, you fear the future of it.
Movie theaters are the new record store.
movie theaters offer something that most people don't have access to in their home. record stores offered something to take home with you. there is a difference.
maybe you're right though that it's played out. if there is really no way at all to bring more diversity and / or bring costs down, then yeah. i'd have to agree with you.
zombie wrote:so, hopefully there can be a better balance found between theaters / studios and moviegoers. and on a larger scale between producers / service providers and consumers.
I think the gimmick just plays out. The home viewing experience is advancing at a much faster rate than the theatrical experience. Right now it is being propped up by oversaturation of certain IPs, but you can see the end of that is on the horizon. Anytime something gets that top heavy with little diversity, you fear the future of it.
Movie theaters are the new record store.
movie theaters offer something that most people don't have access to in their home. record stores offered something to take home with you. there is a difference.
maybe you're right though that it's played out. if there is really no way at all to bring more diversity and / or bring costs down, then yeah. i'd have to agree with you.
I think the last gasp is food and alcohol. I just don't think that props it up and it becomes more of a niche, though.
We have done some drive-in movie vending with the food truck. I have to say, it is underwhelming.
zombie wrote:so, hopefully there can be a better balance found between theaters / studios and moviegoers. and on a larger scale between producers / service providers and consumers.
I think the gimmick just plays out. The home viewing experience is advancing at a much faster rate than the theatrical experience. Right now it is being propped up by oversaturation of certain IPs, but you can see the end of that is on the horizon. Anytime something gets that top heavy with little diversity, you fear the future of it.
Movie theaters are the new record store.
movie theaters offer something that most people don't have access to in their home. record stores offered something to take home with you. there is a difference.
maybe you're right though that it's played out. if there is really no way at all to bring more diversity and / or bring costs down, then yeah. i'd have to agree with you.
I think the last gasp is food and alcohol. I just don't think that props it up and it becomes more of a niche, though.
We have done some drive-in movie vending with the food truck. I have to say, it is underwhelming.
yeah, the draw should be the movie. alcohol is just a bad last attempt to squeeze just a little bit more money out, rather than looking for sustainability again.
what makes vending for the drive in? i thought you said that you liked that, that you were even considering that as a business option?
zombie wrote:so, hopefully there can be a better balance found between theaters / studios and moviegoers. and on a larger scale between producers / service providers and consumers.
I think the gimmick just plays out. The home viewing experience is advancing at a much faster rate than the theatrical experience. Right now it is being propped up by oversaturation of certain IPs, but you can see the end of that is on the horizon. Anytime something gets that top heavy with little diversity, you fear the future of it.
Movie theaters are the new record store.
movie theaters offer something that most people don't have access to in their home. record stores offered something to take home with you. there is a difference.
maybe you're right though that it's played out. if there is really no way at all to bring more diversity and / or bring costs down, then yeah. i'd have to agree with you.
I think the last gasp is food and alcohol. I just don't think that props it up and it becomes more of a niche, though.
We have done some drive-in movie vending with the food truck. I have to say, it is underwhelming.
yeah, the draw should be the movie. alcohol is just a bad last attempt to squeeze just a little bit more money out, rather than looking for sustainability again.
what makes vending for the drive in? i thought you said that you liked that, that you were even considering that as a business option?
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
Foo wrote:
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
well, isn't drive in by it's nature a gimmick? and i think it would only work as something seasonal anyways, even in the heyday.
Foo wrote:
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
well, isn't drive in by it's nature a gimmick? and i think it would only work as something seasonal anyways, even in the heyday.
It wasn't always. Think about rural areas where it didn't make sense to build structures dedicated to movie viewing. It was practical. An extension of our car crazy society.
Do you have any idea how many people now drive in cars where they have no idea how to even turn off their headlights? It really is a sub-standard experience these days. Take away the nostalgia, and you have little left. Most towns now donkiddue movies on inflatable screens in their parks, they are essentially free for the most part though.
Foo wrote:
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
well, isn't drive in by it's nature a gimmick? and i think it would only work as something seasonal anyways, even in the heyday.
It wasn't always. Think about rural areas where it didn't make sense to build structures dedicated to movie viewing. It was practical. An extension of our car crazy society.
Do you have any idea how many people now drive in cars where they have no idea how to even turn off their headlights? It really is a sub-standard experience these days. Take away the nostalgia, and you have little left. Most towns now donkiddue movies on inflatable screens in their parks, they are essentially free for the most part though.
i think if you played movies that the indoor theaters weren't playing, it could work. but again, only seasonal. and maybe that's not even sustainable, cause of cost of operation. i don't know. but that seems like the only option, if you want to go that way at all.
Foo wrote:
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
well, isn't drive in by it's nature a gimmick? and i think it would only work as something seasonal anyways, even in the heyday.
It wasn't always. Think about rural areas where it didn't make sense to build structures dedicated to movie viewing. It was practical. An extension of our car crazy society.
Do you have any idea how many people now drive in cars where they have no idea how to even turn off their headlights? It really is a sub-standard experience these days. Take away the nostalgia, and you have little left. Most towns now donkiddue movies on inflatable screens in their parks, they are essentially free for the most part though.
i think if you played movies that the indoor theaters weren't playing, it could work. but again, only seasonal. and maybe that's not even sustainable, cause of cost of operation. i don't know. but that seems like the only option, if you want to go that way at all.
Not worth it. You quickly realize the people who will pay what it takes to keep it operational have diverse tastes and the stuff that can draw numbers brings in the cheapskates.
That is why those family night things are done for free. Here is an article on one we did the opening for:
Foo wrote:
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
well, isn't drive in by it's nature a gimmick? and i think it would only work as something seasonal anyways, even in the heyday.
It wasn't always. Think about rural areas where it didn't make sense to build structures dedicated to movie viewing. It was practical. An extension of our car crazy society.
Do you have any idea how many people now drive in cars where they have no idea how to even turn off their headlights? It really is a sub-standard experience these days. Take away the nostalgia, and you have little left. Most towns now donkiddue movies on inflatable screens in their parks, they are essentially free for the most part though.
i think if you played movies that the indoor theaters weren't playing, it could work. but again, only seasonal. and maybe that's not even sustainable, cause of cost of operation. i don't know. but that seems like the only option, if you want to go that way at all.
Not worth it. You quickly realize the people who will pay what it takes to keep it operational have diverse tastes and the stuff that can draw numbers brings in the cheapskates.
That is why those family night things are done for free. Here is an article on one we did the opening for:
Drive ins and independent movie theaters always remind me of bars that do the retro gaming nights and such. They all have the same failed idea. There are people out there who love that stuff, but not enough are willing to pay for it, and those delivering it rarely have the capability to execute it in an exceptional way and then market it.
Foo wrote:
I thought it was promising at the time. After closer inspection, you realize that again it must rely on gimmicks. I wanted to do some theme oriented stuff, but the market is not there for anything other than an occasional thing.
well, isn't drive in by it's nature a gimmick? and i think it would only work as something seasonal anyways, even in the heyday.
It wasn't always. Think about rural areas where it didn't make sense to build structures dedicated to movie viewing. It was practical. An extension of our car crazy society.
Do you have any idea how many people now drive in cars where they have no idea how to even turn off their headlights? It really is a sub-standard experience these days. Take away the nostalgia, and you have little left. Most towns now donkiddue movies on inflatable screens in their parks, they are essentially free for the most part though.
i think if you played movies that the indoor theaters weren't playing, it could work. but again, only seasonal. and maybe that's not even sustainable, cause of cost of operation. i don't know. but that seems like the only option, if you want to go that way at all.
Not worth it. You quickly realize the people who will pay what it takes to keep it operational have diverse tastes and the stuff that can draw numbers brings in the cheapskates.
That is why those family night things are done for free. Here is an article on one we did the opening for:
doesn't every movie fan have diverse taste? also you can't really expect to stay operational if you're only drawing crowds at free movie nights.
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema in a decade. You?
Foo wrote:
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema on a decade. You?
i've never paid for a drive in. but that's because it's so rare where i've been. and i don't drive. but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.
Foo wrote:
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema on a decade. You?
i've never paid for a drive in. but that's because it's so rare where i've been. and i don't drive. but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.
Right, and every other movie fan has their excuses, also. That is what the market is. The market is those willing to pay the goibgbrate and seek it out. That is why Disney World works. Enough are willing to seek it and pay for it. It wouldn't last if it was a bunch of dreamers wanting them to build one within walking distance and let them in for a dollar.
Foo wrote:
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema on a decade. You?
i've never paid for a drive in. but that's because it's so rare where i've been. and i don't drive. but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.
Right, and every other movie fan has their excuses, also. That is what the market is. The market is those willing to pay the goibgbrate and seek it out. That is why Disney World works. Enough are willing to seek it and pay for it. It wouldn't last if it was a bunch of dreamers wanting them to build one within walking distance and let them in for a dollar.
you count yourself as a"'dreamer"? i am not expecting them to operate just for me, when i've never been.
Foo wrote:
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema on a decade. You?
i've never paid for a drive in. but that's because it's so rare where i've been. and i don't drive. but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.
Right, and every other movie fan has their excuses, also. That is what the market is. The market is those willing to pay the goibgbrate and seek it out. That is why Disney World works. Enough are willing to seek it and pay for it. It wouldn't last if it was a bunch of dreamers wanting them to build one within walking distance and let them in for a dollar.
you count yourself as a"'dreamer"? i am not expecting them to operate just for me, when i've never been.
A dreamer is someone who expects something that is unrealistic. They think they are gonna have positive life changes without doing the work. Someone is going to provide them with entertainment at a below market price. They are suddenly going to patronize a business where they did not when they had opportunity previously. The dreamer is the fat guy who thinks he would be thin if he had more money.
No, I do not consider myself a dreamer. I am pretty good at connecting dots between where I am and what I want.
What I am saying is that we are both fans. If neither of us are patronizing an industry that relies on fans, that is immediately something that should be contemplated.
I love poke. A new poke place opened up and I have been there an average of once per week. I know other poke fans who have also been there multiple times. That tells me that particular business, at minimum, has some core strength.
Foo wrote:What I am saying is that we are both fans. If neither of us are patronizing an industry that relies on fans, that is immediately something that should be contemplated.
I love poke. A new poke place opened up and I have been there an average of once per week. I know other poke fans who have also been there multiple times. That tells me that particular business, at minimum, has some core strength.
that is something that should be contemplated, exactly. i've been saying that the theater owners need to look at why they are losing people, and find a way to bring them back, rather than just squeezing those that are still going for more and more money. that isn't sustainable. it's short sighted greed, in the moment. rather than trying to figure out how to continue for the long term. and maybe they're too far gone at this point to survive, but that's on them. *shrug*
Foo wrote:
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema on a decade. You?
i've never paid for a drive in. but that's because it's so rare where i've been. and i don't drive. but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.
Right, and every other movie fan has their excuses, also. That is what the market is. The market is those willing to pay the goibgbrate and seek it out. That is why Disney World works. Enough are willing to seek it and pay for it. It wouldn't last if it was a bunch of dreamers wanting them to build one within walking distance and let them in for a dollar.
you count yourself as a"'dreamer"? i am not expecting them to operate just for me, when i've never been.
A dreamer is someone who expects something that is unrealistic. They think they are gonna have positive life changes without doing the work. Someone is going to provide them with entertainment at a below market price. They are suddenly going to patronize a business where they did not when they had opportunity previously. The dreamer is the fat guy who thinks he would be thin if he had more money.
No, I do not consider myself a dreamer. I am pretty good at connecting dots between where I am and what I want.
you're making me out to be a dreamer, because i see problems with our system, and i'm not sure of the right solution for it. you also see problems with our system, and don't seem to have a plan or solution to solve them, other than "don't be a lazy fucker". maybe we're both dreamers. or maybe it's something else.
Foo wrote:
Are you building a business around movie fans or the public? You are a movie fan, I am a movie fan. I have not spent a dime at a drive in or an independent cinema on a decade. You?
i've never paid for a drive in. but that's because it's so rare where i've been. and i don't drive. but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.
Right, and every other movie fan has their excuses, also. That is what the market is. The market is those willing to pay the goibgbrate and seek it out. That is why Disney World works. Enough are willing to seek it and pay for it. It wouldn't last if it was a bunch of dreamers wanting them to build one within walking distance and let them in for a dollar.
you count yourself as a"'dreamer"? i am not expecting them to operate just for me, when i've never been.
A dreamer is someone who expects something that is unrealistic. They think they are gonna have positive life changes without doing the work. Someone is going to provide them with entertainment at a below market price. They are suddenly going to patronize a business where they did not when they had opportunity previously. The dreamer is the fat guy who thinks he would be thin if he had more money.
No, I do not consider myself a dreamer. I am pretty good at connecting dots between where I am and what I want.
you're making me out to be a dreamer, because i see problems with our system, and i'm not sure of the right solution for it. you also see problems with our system, and don't seem to have a plan or solution to solve them, other than "don't be a lazy fucker". maybe we're both dreamers. or maybe it's something else.
I never pointed a finger at you. You seem to think some of this stuff is worth saving. By all means, spend the money to help save it. Wishing upon a star isn't going to save it, but supporting the things that need supporting will. Go to the drive in, the independent theater, the modest budget movie. That helps.
but you mentioned diverse taste as if that's something rare.