Exploiting tragedy

[showa58taro]

If the kids want to speak out then they should be given a platform. If politicians are bringing unwilling kids to a rally just to use as props then that’s not cool. But if the right find kids who now support more assault rifles in life then let them speak too. It’s particularly pressing here because it is directly affecting them. They should have their say. When you silence kids you lose out on the perspective they bring. Also is it really a surprise that people affected by a shooting are against assault rifles?! I mean they have witnessed first hand how fucking awful they are and that they can serve no meaningful purpose in most contexts b

[Tiggnutz]

Young people are being killed by the hundreds on our streets everyday and you don't hear a peep because in general nobody gives a fuck so there's no political gold to mine . Now when there's a mass shooting or if a cop shoots someone people take notice and when people take notice than the politicians come buzzing and swarming like flies to shit.

[showa58taro]

Young people are being killed by the hundreds on our streets everyday and you don't hear a peep because in general nobody gives a fuck so there's no political gold to mine . Now when there's a mass shooting or if a cop shoots someone people take notice and when people take notice than the politicians come buzzing and swarming like flies to shit.

What streets? I mean by all means discuss that too. One does not exclude the other.

[Tiggnutz]

Young people are being killed by the hundreds on our streets everyday and you don't hear a peep because in general nobody gives a fuck so there's no political gold to mine . Now when there's a mass shooting or if a cop shoots someone people take notice and when people take notice than the politicians come buzzing and swarming like flies to shit.

What streets? I mean by all means discuss that too. One does not exclude the other.

Our cities are plagued by gun violence children are being killed every single day sometimes killed by other children but its never a big deal until something like this happens. Politicians and media will both be on to the next sensational story as soon as it happens and Florida will be forgotten and in the meantime hundreds of teens and children will be gunned down but one at a time so nobody will care.

[zombie]

i never said to silence the kids. they absolutely should have a voice too.

[showa58taro]

Young people are being killed by the hundreds on our streets everyday and you don't hear a peep because in general nobody gives a fuck so there's no political gold to mine . Now when there's a mass shooting or if a cop shoots someone people take notice and when people take notice than the politicians come buzzing and swarming like flies to shit.

What streets? I mean by all means discuss that too. One does not exclude the other.

Our cities are plagued by gun violence children are being killed every single day sometimes killed by other children but its never a big deal until something like this happens. Politicians and media will both be on to the next sensational story as soon as it happens and Florida will be forgotten and in the meantime hundreds of teens and children will be gunned down but one at a time so nobody will care.

Bleak outlook. Can you not fix an obvious problem without it being about the other problems not being fixed? It’s easy to see that gun violence needs addressing on many levels but starting somewhere seems a sensible move beyond a doubt.

[zombie]

if the government is solely expected to protect us with firearms, rather than protecting ourselves. then it may go a long way for them to better look into problems with an individual when issues with said individual are brought to their attention?

how many things being cried out to change are already actually illegal, but not handled in the way they are meant to be handled, as it relates to licensing, or background checks, or purchasing guns in a less controlled area and taking them into a more controlled area, etc?

[showa58taro]

States that aggressively legislated against guns have seen the biggest decline in gun deaths and at the fastest rate

States with the strictest gun laws see the lowest rate of suicide and homicide compared tobststes with lax laws. Almost always this falls along a blue-red divide.

It’s not hard to work out that gun laws do work even in the US.

[zombie]

can you give me a link? what i'm seeing is that two of the strictest states also have some of the worst gun death statistics. (maryland and illinois)

also, let's be clear. yes, gun laws do work in the united states. could they work better? probably. but the end game for a lot of dems / liberals is to have citizens left with no right to carry. that protection be left solely up to law enforcement. that is not where i want to see this go.

[showa58taro]

can you give me a link? what i'm seeing is that two of the strictest states also have some of the worst gun death statistics. (maryland and illinois)

also, let's be clear. yes, gun laws do work in the united states. could they work better? probably. but the end game for a lot of dems / liberals is to have citizens left with no right to carry. that protection be left solely up to law enforcement. that is not where i want to see this go.

http://lawcenter.giffords.org Is where the article I read quotes their stats from.

[showa58taro]

And the article itself.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/n ... ticut.html

[zombie]

your article states what i said about maryland and illinois. we're on the same page there, it seems. connecticut is making it work though.

it should be noted also that connecticut is stated to regulate their own gun laws locally on a state level, and not rely on the fbi. what you seem to be proposing is some sort of set of laws that apply to the whole of the united states though?

[Tiggnutz]

There are guys running around Baltimore and other parts of Maryland with multiple gun charges because the punishments are most often waived. Judges have fucked up Maryland and most definitely Baltimore by repeatedly putting gun offenders back on the street.

Step 1. Make gun ownership background checks more stringent.
Step 2. Make mandatory punishments for illegal gun possession.

[showa58taro]

your article states what i said about maryland and illinois. we're on the same page there, it seems. connecticut is making it work though.

it should be noted also that connecticut is stated to regulate their own gun laws locally on a state level, and not rely on the fbi. what you seem to be proposing is some sort of set of laws that apply to the whole of the united states though?

I’m not proposing anything. I’m saying that SOME kind of laws and regulations visibly tend to be better than not in MOST cases. And that should affect the debate.

[zombie]

your article states what i said about maryland and illinois. we're on the same page there, it seems. connecticut is making it work though.

it should be noted also that connecticut is stated to regulate their own gun laws locally on a state level, and not rely on the fbi. what you seem to be proposing is some sort of set of laws that apply to the whole of the united states though?

I’m not proposing anything. I’m saying that SOME kind of laws and regulations visibly tend to be better than not in MOST cases. And that should affect the debate.

okay, so show me a state that does not have SOME kind of laws and regulations? they all do have some, even florida. but you seem to be wanting for more than that. i just want to understand your position, so there is not a need to be defensive.

[showa58taro]

your article states what i said about maryland and illinois. we're on the same page there, it seems. connecticut is making it work though.

it should be noted also that connecticut is stated to regulate their own gun laws locally on a state level, and not rely on the fbi. what you seem to be proposing is some sort of set of laws that apply to the whole of the united states though?

I’m not proposing anything. I’m saying that SOME kind of laws and regulations visibly tend to be better than not in MOST cases. And that should affect the debate.

okay, so show me a state that does not have SOME kind of laws and regulations? they all do have some, even florida. but you seem to be wanting for more than that. i just want to understand your position, so there is not a need to be defensive.

Whatever regulations and laws there are, double them.

[Jason]

Bump stock ban is no-no.

[showa58taro]

Bump stock ban is no-no.

Gotta make sure you can hunt deer with fully automatic guns I take it.

[Tiggnutz]

Bump stock ban is no-no.

Its a start

[showa58taro]

Bump stock ban is no-no.

Its a start

It seems so strange to not just do the most obvious and basic changes and then work towards the hard stuff.