Trump's Courage

[Foo]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/happene ... 00488.html

He is not afraid to look them in the eye and tell the the free ride is over. Putting America first.

[showa58taro]

Enjoy flying solo.

[Foo]

Enjoy flying solo.

We have more available jobs than unemployed people. We have a president committed to lowering taxes and keeping illegals out. Tump proposed truly free trade and the other leaders didn't like that idea, so tariffs it is. I guess they didn't like Trump telling the the truth to their faces. Oh well.

I'll fly on on a beautiful jet plane with my fellow Americans while the G6 are bailing water from their boat and sending out clean up crews to pick up pieces of their citizens they allowed to be slaughtered by "refugees".

[showa58taro]

Sure. Not like there’s consequences to losing trade and jobs for you guys.

[Jason]

Only in liberal circles is it believed that expanding trade and creating jobs means you're losing trade options and jobs.

[showa58taro]

Only in liberal circles is it believed that expanding trade and creating jobs means you're losing trade options and jobs.

No. If you hike up tariffs and cease trading with your allies you don’t expand trade or increase jobs. You lose jobs and trade and do do your allies. We all lose. This is going to cause us all more issues and pain and less general prosperity. There is no situation where YS gets all kinds of good whilst all kinds of bad hits the rest of us. Your tariffs are currently equal to ours and higher than Canada’s. That’s the reality. Now yours are actually higher due to the steel and aluminum tariffs which are bollocks. National security my ass.

[Jason]

If you even half ass pay attention to anything in American politics you'd know that none of that is the case under Trump's presidency.

[showa58taro]

If you even half ass pay attention to anything in American politics you'd know that none of that is the case under Trump's presidency.

You haven’t (until now) tried to founder the entire western idea of free market capitalism. So the events until now aren’t really indicative of what could now happen as you try and undo 90 years of progress and return us to the Great Depression.

[Foo]

Trump is pushing for free trade. Interesting how butt hurt all the G7 nations get when we are no longer the doormat who allows massive tariffs on our exports while we operate at a trade deficit.

Canada has a 270% tax on our milk products, and we are supposed to take their outrage seriously when we tax their products?

[showa58taro]

Trump is pushing for free trade. Interesting how butt hurt all the G7 nations get when we are no longer the doormat who allows massive tariffs on our exports while we operate at a trade deficit.

Canada has a 270% tax on our milk products, and we are supposed to take their outrage seriously when we tax their products?

The system is balanced. You also have tariffs in place, equally ridiculous. They all balance out. The average for you and the EU is identical. 1.6% average tariff. Canada is way lower than you.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM ... H.WM.AR.ZS

So it’s not very unfair at all. You check your tariffs on light vehicles, peanuts, and clothes and then try to say with a straight face that it’s just poor old US&A getting raw deals.

The system has the occasional protectionist swing for ALL countries but you’re about to make everything a losing game.

[Foo]

Trump is pushing for free trade. Interesting how butt hurt all the G7 nations get when we are no longer the doormat who allows massive tariffs on our exports while we operate at a trade deficit.

Canada has a 270% tax on our milk products, and we are supposed to take their outrage seriously when we tax their products?

The system is balanced. You also have tariffs in place, equally ridiculous. They all balance out. The average for you and the EU is identical. 1.6% average tariff. Canada is way lower than you.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM ... H.WM.AR.ZS

So it’s not very unfair at all. You check your tariffs on light vehicles, peanuts, and clothes and then try to say with a straight face that it’s just poor old US&A getting raw deals.

The system has the occasional protectionist swing for ALL countries but you’re about to make everything a losing game.

Why is it suddenly us making everything a losing game when it has been arbitrary protectionism all along? Either it is ok to impose random tariffs when you are unhappy with the flow of imports or it isn't.

Again, Trump supports free trade. However, if the system is going to be tilted, he is going to try to make it tilt towards us, which is why we elected him.

[showa58taro]

Trump is pushing for free trade. Interesting how butt hurt all the G7 nations get when we are no longer the doormat who allows massive tariffs on our exports while we operate at a trade deficit.

Canada has a 270% tax on our milk products, and we are supposed to take their outrage seriously when we tax their products?

The system is balanced. You also have tariffs in place, equally ridiculous. They all balance out. The average for you and the EU is identical. 1.6% average tariff. Canada is way lower than you.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM ... H.WM.AR.ZS

So it’s not very unfair at all. You check your tariffs on light vehicles, peanuts, and clothes and then try to say with a straight face that it’s just poor old US&A getting raw deals.

The system has the occasional protectionist swing for ALL countries but you’re about to make everything a losing game.

Why is it suddenly us making everything a losing game when it has been arbitrary protectionism all along? Either it is ok to impose random tariffs when you are unhappy with the flow of imports or it isn't.

Again, Trump supports free trade. However, if the system is going to be tilted, he is going to try to make it tilt towards us, which is why we elected him.

Because you aren’t advocating a fair system at this point. You’re arguing for the basic absolution of the international trade order. In all honesty I bet trump wants to remove barriers for the US then use them same bullshit “national security” clause to reporter all the US goods. He’s not trustworthy and he’s not a reliable ally which is why nobody will make a free system any freer and instead we are headed for a shitty time all of us.

[Foo]

So why aren't you treating other arbitrary tariffs with the same hostility? When Canada decided to up the tariffs on dairy you were not outraged.

[showa58taro]

So why aren't you treating other arbitrary tariffs with the same hostility? When Canada decided to up the tariffs on dairy you were not outraged.

I’m not outraged by tariffs that are sensible. I’m not outraged by your peanut tariffs or your corn subsidies. All of which Trump wants to abolish I guess.

[showa58taro]

The whole problem is the rationale and argument. Not the underlying percentages. Trump thinks everything is zero sum. It isn’t. Trump wants to destabilize the house his country built. It’s just stupid and undermines credibility. Which in turn will make everyone up their barriers to trade and ultimately hurt consumers. Me included. But you as well.

[Foo]

The whole problem is the rationale and argument. Not the underlying percentages. Trump thinks everything is zero sum. It isn’t. Trump wants to destabilize the house his country built. It’s just stupid and undermines credibility. Which in turn will make everyone up their barriers to trade and ultimately hurt consumers. Me included. But you as well.

This house needed to be destabilized. It is the establishment who have forced the continuation of destructive policies for unknown reasons. That establishment needs to be upended. Trump going against the establishment is why North Korea is suddenly on the brink of joining the world community after half a century. He is open to ideas that are more than just slight shifts.

I happen to agree with Trump that we should have free trade with nations like Canada, Germany, UK, etc. We share similar values, have similar standards of living, etc. However, if they are going to choose a system with selective and arbitrary tariffs, we will play that game hard.

[zombie]

this whole tariff thing feels weird to me. do we not have tariffs applied to goods from other countries? is trump not continuing existing tariffs that were in place? he's asking, or at least expecting, other leaders to stop. have we stopped? are we prepared to stop?

[Foo]

this whole tariff thing feels weird to me. do we not have tariffs applied to goods from other countries? is trump not continuing existing tariffs that were in place? he's asking, or at least expecting, other leaders to stop. have we stopped? are we prepared to stop?

All of the countries involved have tariffs. Trump is saying that some of their tariffs are unfair, such as a 270% tax on milk. He prefers free trade, but if the other countries want to continue with selective tariffs, we are at least going to level the trade imbalance we suffer from by increasing some tariffs.

Also, I know it is a bit of semantics, but he is doing this because the agreement with them expired that made them exempt from those tariffs. They are being taxed at the same rate as everyone else on those imports now. He is looking to correct a wider systematic problem now that the opportunity is there.

Not sure why any American would oppose efforts aimed at creating either fair trade or even trade.

[zombie]

this whole tariff thing feels weird to me. do we not have tariffs applied to goods from other countries? is trump not continuing existing tariffs that were in place? he's asking, or at least expecting, other leaders to stop. have we stopped? are we prepared to stop?

All of the countries involved have tariffs. Trump is saying that some of their tariffs are unfair, such as a 270% tax on milk. He prefers free trade, but if the other countries want to continue with selective tariffs, we are at least going to level the trade imbalance we suffer from by increasing some tariffs.

Also, I know it is a bit of semantics, but he is doing this because the agreement with them expired that made them exempt from those tariffs. They are being taxed at the same rate as everyone else on those imports now. He is looking to correct a wider systematic problem now that the opportunity is there.

Not sure why any American would oppose efforts aimed at creating either fair trade or even trade.

well, i am not interested in having words put into my mouth. all i did was ask a question to better understand this issue. if it's just gonna be about proving my position wrong, when i haven't even settled on a position in this issue, out of partial ignorance, then it's not really going to be conducive.

[Foo]

well, i am not interested in having words put into my mouth.

Is this the new victimization thing or something? Was not aware anyone was doing that.