showa58taro wrote:Sucks that D, Reign, Jason, Head, Z and Slaughter are all loser stoners to Foo who don’t deserve better wages.
If anyone wants more from life, they need to go get it. That goes for me, for you, and for them. Do you think the food business just happens? I work at it all the time.
That defeats the stated ideal of trickle down economics. Hence my point.
No where in trickle down economics is it stated that you can get more by doing less.
No one said anything about doing less. No one. But thanks for believing I and anybody else struggling to get by is a lazy piece of shit that only "shows up".
Don't worry so much about perception. It is about a solution. This is the same position as five years ago, four years ago, last year, etc. There has to be significant change to overcome this impasse. I don't want to see you in this same position in your 40s.
Without a doubt, the change is going to be extremely uncomfortable, but the alternative is relying on someone else who has not taken steps to secure your future so far. The job is apparently not one that provides enough for you to live.
Jmac Attack wrote:Wages have been stagnant for a while now. Meanwhile....the minimum wage isn't going up like it should (for years), and my Burger King meal still cost me $9.89 yesterday. That same meal cost under $5 6 or 7 years ago.
Yet Burger King itself is struggling.
You can replace Burger King with McDonald's, Arby's, Wendy's, etc. I'm not saying a person working the cash register should be making $15 an hour. But, go ahead and look into filling out an applications for say....McDonalds. They promise you the world. Meanwhile, their best worker is making minimum wage working the grill because he is too good to replace.
Roadhouse, has a really cool way of treating their employees. I got a second job, at minimum wage, a few years ago. The other dish washer was making $16 an hour. When I asked why, they said it takes more money to hire people than fire people. This guy had only missed two days in 6 years. They said he was worth the $16 an hour. I dunno .....but wages are stagnant. You can't deny this. What is the solution? Is it poor people's fault? Or the CEO making way too much. And yes, the CEO should get his money and deserves it. But the wage gap is fucking insane. What's your take?
Money is offered in return for time and labor. You can take the job or not. If it is not enough to live on, improve your skills and keep looking.
I hire quite a bit now. I see people in their 50's who cannot articulate a skill they possess that qualifies them for anything other than a starting wage. 30 years plus as an adult in the labor force, yet the skills of a high school sophomore.
Going back to the original point being made, this idea thatvthe economy is doing greatbisca visible myth when stacked against the Footopia where the only advancement is mass change and upheaval in order to make a sustainable living. Then the economy isn’t great and isn’t working for all. It’s working for a select few who aren’t then helping to improve things across the board. If anything it’s made the economy way worse than before since it keeps increasing inequality and holds wages as stagnant whilst inflation continues to increase consumer costs. That’s a broken economy, GDP be damned. And that reality will start to hit home more and more, hence the increased popularity if progressive and liberal ideas like a living wage, Medicare-for-all and a number of other initiatives that are seeking to address the issue without the answer being to step on everyone else’s throat.
showa58taro wrote:Going back to the original point being made, this idea thatvthe economy is doing greatbisca visible myth when stacked against the Footopia where the only advancement is mass change and upheaval in order to make a sustainable living. Then the economy isn’t great and isn’t working for all. It’s working for a select few who aren’t then helping to improve things across the board. If anything it’s made the economy way worse than before since it keeps increasing inequality and holds wages as stagnant whilst inflation continues to increase consumer costs. That’s a broken economy, GDP be damned. And that reality will start to hit home more and more, hence the increased popularity if progressive and liberal ideas like a living wage, Medicare-for-all and a number of other initiatives that are seeking to address the issue without the answer being to step on everyone else’s throat.
Who is buying the $100+ sneakers? Who is driving the multi-billion dollar movie franchises? The hundred million netflix subscribers? The shit ton of restaurants everywhere?
showa58taro wrote:Going back to the original point being made, this idea thatvthe economy is doing greatbisca visible myth when stacked against the Footopia where the only advancement is mass change and upheaval in order to make a sustainable living. Then the economy isn’t great and isn’t working for all. It’s working for a select few who aren’t then helping to improve things across the board. If anything it’s made the economy way worse than before since it keeps increasing inequality and holds wages as stagnant whilst inflation continues to increase consumer costs. That’s a broken economy, GDP be damned. And that reality will start to hit home more and more, hence the increased popularity if progressive and liberal ideas like a living wage, Medicare-for-all and a number of other initiatives that are seeking to address the issue without the answer being to step on everyone else’s throat.
Who is buying the $100+ sneakers? Who is driving the multi-billion dollar movie franchises? The hundred million netflix subscribers? The shit ton of restaurants everywhere?
Jmac Attack wrote:Wages have been stagnant for a while now. Meanwhile....the minimum wage isn't going up like it should (for years), and my Burger King meal still cost me $9.89 yesterday. That same meal cost under $5 6 or 7 years ago.
Yet Burger King itself is struggling.
You can replace Burger King with McDonald's, Arby's, Wendy's, etc. I'm not saying a person working the cash register should be making $15 an hour. But, go ahead and look into filling out an applications for say....McDonalds. They promise you the world. Meanwhile, their best worker is making minimum wage working the grill because he is too good to replace.
Roadhouse, has a really cool way of treating their employees. I got a second job, at minimum wage, a few years ago. The other dish washer was making $16 an hour. When I asked why, they said it takes more money to hire people than fire people. This guy had only missed two days in 6 years. They said he was worth the $16 an hour. I dunno .....but wages are stagnant. You can't deny this. What is the solution? Is it poor people's fault? Or the CEO making way too much. And yes, the CEO should get his money and deserves it. But the wage gap is fucking insane. What's your take?
Money is offered in return for time and labor. You can take the job or not. If it is not enough to live on, improve your skills and keep looking.
I hire quite a bit now. I see people in their 50's who cannot articulate a skill they possess that qualifies them for anything other than a starting wage. 30 years plus as an adult in the labor force, yet the skills of a high school sophomore.
,
I don't disagree with that. But, just like my friend's wife was making $13.50 an hour being a GM of Dominoes, How is that fair? She worked her ass off to get that position. Sure, she could have turned it down, but it's better than $8.75 an hour. She has a degree too. Still young and I bet she will eventually get a better job. But how is that fair? I hired two guys a couple of months ago, and they loaded/unloaded trucks for Wal-Mart. I hired them in at $15 an hour. They made $10.50 an hour for Wal Mart. Meanwhile, the Walmart family is all billionaires. And most of them don't even, or ever had to work. Is that a problem in your eyes?
Jmac Attack wrote:Wages have been stagnant for a while now. Meanwhile....the minimum wage isn't going up like it should (for years), and my Burger King meal still cost me $9.89 yesterday. That same meal cost under $5 6 or 7 years ago.
Yet Burger King itself is struggling.
You can replace Burger King with McDonald's, Arby's, Wendy's, etc. I'm not saying a person working the cash register should be making $15 an hour. But, go ahead and look into filling out an applications for say....McDonalds. They promise you the world. Meanwhile, their best worker is making minimum wage working the grill because he is too good to replace.
Roadhouse, has a really cool way of treating their employees. I got a second job, at minimum wage, a few years ago. The other dish washer was making $16 an hour. When I asked why, they said it takes more money to hire people than fire people. This guy had only missed two days in 6 years. They said he was worth the $16 an hour. I dunno .....but wages are stagnant. You can't deny this. What is the solution? Is it poor people's fault? Or the CEO making way too much. And yes, the CEO should get his money and deserves it. But the wage gap is fucking insane. What's your take?
Money is offered in return for time and labor. You can take the job or not. If it is not enough to live on, improve your skills and keep looking.
I hire quite a bit now. I see people in their 50's who cannot articulate a skill they possess that qualifies them for anything other than a starting wage. 30 years plus as an adult in the labor force, yet the skills of a high school sophomore.
,
I don't disagree with that. But, just like my friend's wife was making $13.50 an hour being a GM of Dominoes, How is that fair? She worked her ass off to get that position. Sure, she could have turned it down, but it's better than $8.75 an hour. She has a degree too. Still young and I bet she will eventually get a better job. But how is that fair? I hired two guys a couple of months ago, and they loaded/unloaded trucks for Wal-Mart. I hired them in at $15 an hour. They made $10.50 an hour for Wal Mart. Meanwhile, the Walmart family is all billionaires. And most of them don't even, or ever had to work. Is that a problem in your eyes?
It is not a problem at all. They agreed to work for a rate offered. if those jobs were not filled at that rate, they would need to offer more.
Does her degree actually provide value to the company? Or is it just something she feels is an accomplishment? Does it make the pizza better? Faster? More profitable? Otherwise, it was for own enrichment.
Jmac Attack wrote:Wages have been stagnant for a while now. Meanwhile....the minimum wage isn't going up like it should (for years), and my Burger King meal still cost me $9.89 yesterday. That same meal cost under $5 6 or 7 years ago.
Yet Burger King itself is struggling.
You can replace Burger King with McDonald's, Arby's, Wendy's, etc. I'm not saying a person working the cash register should be making $15 an hour. But, go ahead and look into filling out an applications for say....McDonalds. They promise you the world. Meanwhile, their best worker is making minimum wage working the grill because he is too good to replace.
Roadhouse, has a really cool way of treating their employees. I got a second job, at minimum wage, a few years ago. The other dish washer was making $16 an hour. When I asked why, they said it takes more money to hire people than fire people. This guy had only missed two days in 6 years. They said he was worth the $16 an hour. I dunno .....but wages are stagnant. You can't deny this. What is the solution? Is it poor people's fault? Or the CEO making way too much. And yes, the CEO should get his money and deserves it. But the wage gap is fucking insane. What's your take?
Money is offered in return for time and labor. You can take the job or not. If it is not enough to live on, improve your skills and keep looking.
I hire quite a bit now. I see people in their 50's who cannot articulate a skill they possess that qualifies them for anything other than a starting wage. 30 years plus as an adult in the labor force, yet the skills of a high school sophomore.
,
I don't disagree with that. But, just like my friend's wife was making $13.50 an hour being a GM of Dominoes, How is that fair? She worked her ass off to get that position. Sure, she could have turned it down, but it's better than $8.75 an hour. She has a degree too. Still young and I bet she will eventually get a better job. But how is that fair? I hired two guys a couple of months ago, and they loaded/unloaded trucks for Wal-Mart. I hired them in at $15 an hour. They made $10.50 an hour for Wal Mart. Meanwhile, the Walmart family is all billionaires. And most of them don't even, or ever had to work. Is that a problem in your eyes?
It is not a problem at all. They agreed to work for a rate offered. if those jobs were not filled at that rate, they would need to offer more.
Does her degree actually provide value to the company? Or is it just something she feels is an accomplishment? Does it make the pizza better? Faster? More profitable? Otherwise, it was for own enrichment.[/quote
She has two degrees. One is in business management. She was promoted to be the GM.....I would think they thought she was an asset to the company. She ran the whole store. And worked over 60 hours a week with no overtime (she was salary, so the $13.50 an hour was more like $8 an hour). That's fair in your eyes? Is she the problem? She's only 25 years old. I'm sure she will find something better. But the company promised her the world. It's not like they said "When you are hired, you can make the most of it and be a GM making $13.50 an hour!". She busted her ass to get the position. Hell, my job pays minimum $14 an hour. Most of our job is driving. Gas prices goes to $5 gallon.....it doesn't effect the bottom line. Hiring and firing does. I've been a part of those meetings. And I see how fucked up people think about the people low on the totem pole. I'm not talking about small businesses like what you have. I work for a top 500 Forbes company.
showa58taro wrote:Going back to the original point being made, this idea thatvthe economy is doing greatbisca visible myth when stacked against the Footopia where the only advancement is mass change and upheaval in order to make a sustainable living. Then the economy isn’t great and isn’t working for all. It’s working for a select few who aren’t then helping to improve things across the board. If anything it’s made the economy way worse than before since it keeps increasing inequality and holds wages as stagnant whilst inflation continues to increase consumer costs. That’s a broken economy, GDP be damned. And that reality will start to hit home more and more, hence the increased popularity if progressive and liberal ideas like a living wage, Medicare-for-all and a number of other initiatives that are seeking to address the issue without the answer being to step on everyone else’s throat.
Who is buying the $100+ sneakers? Who is driving the multi-billion dollar movie franchises? The hundred million netflix subscribers? The shit ton of restaurants everywhere?
No shortage of entertainment spending.
Therefore people must suffer more?
If that is their chosen path, than they will. Take a look at who is wearing the most expensive sneakers. You think it is the guy making sacrifices to start a business, or the person who has decided to work a relatively low paying job?
We have lost all perspective on life essentials. Two hour a night TV has turned into all day on the internet/phone and all weekend binge watching movies. Meals are now a string of prepared foods, either at a restaurant, or from a store where a massive premium is paid for convenience. How many low income folks can cook regular long grain rice and dried beans? From what I have seen, almost none.
Jmac Attack wrote:Wages have been stagnant for a while now. Meanwhile....the minimum wage isn't going up like it should (for years), and my Burger King meal still cost me $9.89 yesterday. That same meal cost under $5 6 or 7 years ago.
Yet Burger King itself is struggling.
You can replace Burger King with McDonald's, Arby's, Wendy's, etc. I'm not saying a person working the cash register should be making $15 an hour. But, go ahead and look into filling out an applications for say....McDonalds. They promise you the world. Meanwhile, their best worker is making minimum wage working the grill because he is too good to replace.
Roadhouse, has a really cool way of treating their employees. I got a second job, at minimum wage, a few years ago. The other dish washer was making $16 an hour. When I asked why, they said it takes more money to hire people than fire people. This guy had only missed two days in 6 years. They said he was worth the $16 an hour. I dunno .....but wages are stagnant. You can't deny this. What is the solution? Is it poor people's fault? Or the CEO making way too much. And yes, the CEO should get his money and deserves it. But the wage gap is fucking insane. What's your take?
Money is offered in return for time and labor. You can take the job or not. If it is not enough to live on, improve your skills and keep looking.
I hire quite a bit now. I see people in their 50's who cannot articulate a skill they possess that qualifies them for anything other than a starting wage. 30 years plus as an adult in the labor force, yet the skills of a high school sophomore.
,
I don't disagree with that. But, just like my friend's wife was making $13.50 an hour being a GM of Dominoes, How is that fair? She worked her ass off to get that position. Sure, she could have turned it down, but it's better than $8.75 an hour. She has a degree too. Still young and I bet she will eventually get a better job. But how is that fair? I hired two guys a couple of months ago, and they loaded/unloaded trucks for Wal-Mart. I hired them in at $15 an hour. They made $10.50 an hour for Wal Mart. Meanwhile, the Walmart family is all billionaires. And most of them don't even, or ever had to work. Is that a problem in your eyes?
It is not a problem at all. They agreed to work for a rate offered. if those jobs were not filled at that rate, they would need to offer more.
Does her degree actually provide value to the company? Or is it just something she feels is an accomplishment? Does it make the pizza better? Faster? More profitable? Otherwise, it was for own enrichment.[/quote
She has two degrees. One is in business management. She was promoted to be the GM.....I would think they thought she was an asset to the company. She ran the whole store. And worked over 60 hours a week with no overtime (she was salary, so the $13.50 an hour was more like $8 an hour). That's fair in your eyes? Is she the problem? She's only 25 years old. I'm sure she will find something better. But the company promised her the world. It's not like they said "When you are hired, you can make the most of it and be a GM making $13.50 an hour!". She busted her ass to get the position. Hell, my job pays minimum $14 an hour. Most of our job is driving. Gas prices goes to $5 gallon.....it doesn't effect the bottom line. Hiring and firing does. I've been a part of those meetings. And I see how fucked up people think about the people low on the totem pole. I'm not talking about small businesses like what you have. I work for a top 500 Forbes company.
She has two degrees, shouldn't she be smart enough to know you are not going to make a great career working at a Dominos location? Some folks are great students but never translate to the real world.
Bigger companies tend to have better systems. I pay a whole lot better than McDonalds because I value thinking and skill. They have invested tons into making their operation idiot proof.
If you have been part of the meetings, aren't you a big part of the problem?
showa58taro wrote:Going back to the original point being made, this idea thatvthe economy is doing greatbisca visible myth when stacked against the Footopia where the only advancement is mass change and upheaval in order to make a sustainable living. Then the economy isn’t great and isn’t working for all. It’s working for a select few who aren’t then helping to improve things across the board. If anything it’s made the economy way worse than before since it keeps increasing inequality and holds wages as stagnant whilst inflation continues to increase consumer costs. That’s a broken economy, GDP be damned. And that reality will start to hit home more and more, hence the increased popularity if progressive and liberal ideas like a living wage, Medicare-for-all and a number of other initiatives that are seeking to address the issue without the answer being to step on everyone else’s throat.
Who is buying the $100+ sneakers? Who is driving the multi-billion dollar movie franchises? The hundred million netflix subscribers? The shit ton of restaurants everywhere?
No shortage of entertainment spending.
Therefore people must suffer more?
If that is their chosen path, than they will. Take a look at who is wearing the most expensive sneakers. You think it is the guy making sacrifices to start a business, or the person who has decided to work a relatively low paying job?
We have lost all perspective on life essentials. Two hour a night TV has turned into all day on the internet/phone and all weekend binge watching movies. Meals are now a string of prepared foods, either at a restaurant, or from a store where a massive premium is paid for convenience. How many low income folks can cook regular long grain rice and dried beans? From what I have seen, almost nonebringin
Foo....did you come from a good family? From what I've read through the years, you did have a great up bringing. I did too. Learn a skill, you say. I would deliver to places that had dudes who went to trade schools making $12 an hour welding. Plumbers used to make a decent wage. Not so much these days. Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, has done nothing to help these people. Wages are still down after the tax cut for the rich.
Jmac Attack wrote:
Foo....did you come from a good family? From what I've read through the years, you did have a great up bringing. I did too. Learn a skill, you say. I would deliver to places that had dudes who went to trade schools making $12 an hour welding. Plumbers used to make a decent wage. Not so much these days. Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, has done nothing to help these people. Wages are still down after the tax cut for the rich.
On the whole, yes. Keep in mind, I don't know my biological father as he left my mother before I was born. Both my uncles on my mom's side spent most of my childhood in jail. I was the first to go to college, but I had to pay for it myself, and after just a year, the student loans were piling up compared to what I was learning. Anyone can focus on the good or bad in their life.
The average plumber makes $50k per year. It also varies a lot depending on skills, as not all are created equal. Big difference between a roto-rooter employee and someone qualified in all the fittings commercial applications can require. Take that as you will.
Interesting that you call a tax cut for everyone who works, a "Tax cut for the rich" as it is branded by liberal rags with the sole purpose of trying to get democrats elected.
zombie wrote:which of this advice would you have not given under obama or w. bush? or which would you have stressed more under obama or w. bush?
Under Obama, your best strategy would have been to stay poor and milk the system.
you're being purposely bias' there. fair play.
Not really. It is pretty well known it does not pay to work when you get into the system.
you would not have given that advice. but yeah, if you get into the welfare system, it encourages a lack of work. (outside of volunteer work in some areas)
zombie wrote:which of this advice would you have not given under obama or w. bush? or which would you have stressed more under obama or w. bush?
Under Obama, your best strategy would have been to stay poor and milk the system.
you're being purposely bias' there. fair play.
Not really. It is pretty well known it does not pay to work when you get into the system.
you would not have given that advice. but yeah, if you get into the welfare system, it encourages a lack of work. (outside of volunteer work in some areas)
I HAVE given that advice. The last caregiver I had for my aunt was a lazy turd. She was not going to work, so I told her to vote Democrat and keep on smoking so her COPD doesn't improve. They pay for her place and buy her food and medications.
zombie wrote:which of this advice would you have not given under obama or w. bush? or which would you have stressed more under obama or w. bush?
Under Obama, your best strategy would have been to stay poor and milk the system.
you're being purposely bias' there. fair play.
Not really. It is pretty well known it does not pay to work when you get into the system.
you would not have given that advice. but yeah, if you get into the welfare system, it encourages a lack of work. (outside of volunteer work in some areas)
I HAVE given that advice. The last caregiver I had for my aunt was a lazy turd. She was not going to work, so I told her to vote Democrat and keep on smoking so her COPD doesn't improve. They pay for her place and buy her food and medications.
okay. that wasn't un-bias advice either. she was a caregiver. was she not doing her job at all?
