Foo wrote:
They are all known to effect memory. Memory and emotion are intertwined. Taking substances to dull emotions often significantly impacts memory.
She may have interacted once with a man who has been a public figure since 2000. He was a known name in political circles for the last 18 years. Perhaps in her mind, something did happen to this lady, and over the years, it became the most famous person it was plausible she could know.
Based on every witness she has cited, including a friend of hers, saying they were not there, and other people coming forward and admitting they may be the ones she is confusing Kavanaugh with, you have to consider faulty memory, confusion, etc.
Remember, just yesterday she could not even remember if she shared the confidential notes of her therapy with a prominent national newspaper withing the last few weeks. That seems like something you would recall quite easily.
faulty memory could certainly be an issue. the friends not remembering being there, could be easily explained though, unless they were witness actually to what was done to her.
Right, so that is why her history of medications become relevant in an investigation like this. Literally the only thing this entire thing hinges on is her perfect memory of the incident. An incident where she does not know where she was, all her witnesses say thhey were not there, and she can't explain how she got home.
Ever been abandoned in a strange place miles away with no phone, not knowing where you are, etc? Pretty traumatic, right? Might you recall what happened that enabled you to get home?
i don't know. it's just silly to speculate how i would act in a situation, and try to use that against someone else. i've never been raped. i've never drunk to the point of changing my mood or behavior. i've never been on anti-depressants. and most importantly i'm not her.
i already said that memory could be an issue. i get why the investigators would go through her use of drugs. i was asking why you brought it up. and i got my answer. you don't have to try to lump other shit in along with it.
No, I’m good. I’m sure you will enjoy rewatching itvenough for the both of us
Ok. Pipe down then, if you're not going to engage im conversation.
You know I have a valid point and you're doing that liberal thing where you convince yourself that I'm a bullshit artist. I just shared a personal story that you're throwing out the window because you're sticking to a narrative that you've been spoon fed by a bunch of dishonest clowns,
your take is that unless nobody can lie about it, then everyone should be assumed to be liars. So fuck off woth YouTube videos and stupid anecdotes.
That cute liberal thing I keep mentioning. Lol. Can't face tough facts, so you make shit up to feel better about your stance.
"The truth hurts, so I'm gonna crawl back in my safe space and insult you for sexually assaulting and raping my viewpoints".
showa58taro wrote:Because they can’t defend Kavanaugh after his shitshow, they have to try and tear down Dr Ford with totally unsubstantiated falsehoods and guesses to undermine her character, despite the heart wrenching testimony she surrendered in a hostile environment.
Two questions:
1. Have you ever been falsely accused?
2. How did it make you feel?
1. Yes
2. Determined to learn from it.
I mean not that this is relevant since Kavanaugh was not falsely accused, he was just revealed to be a drunk who doesn’t respect women when intoxivated, a liar, and s man with an incredible bias against the left. Why should he be on a court that judges things for all of America when he visibly hates and disrespects half of it b
US Senators were calling him evil. I am glad he stood up for himself. I would have brought up Cory Booker's admission that Cory sexually assaulted a 15 year old if he said that to me.
And you are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions when lots of people who have been around him for a long time are saying the opposite.
He is evil. You sexually assault women, there isn’t a grey zone of decency. That’s the thing that seems to get lost. You can know someone as good or decent or even a close friend and yet they can be guilty of terrible things that come to light suddenly. Doesn’t invalidate that they have done good things, neither does doing good make them immune to criticism of the bad.
And no, it’s not jumping to conclusions, he was chosen for being hyper-partisan and right wing and his behavior prived thatb
who did he sexually assault?
When I gave my story of a sexual assault I may have committed, did you think I was evil?
I will give you another. We were playing Marco Polo in the pool when I was around 14-15. My friend/neighbor was also playing, she is a year younger. My eyes closed, I lunged, and my finger got hooked on her bathing suit, pulling it nearly off. She gave me a light slap. Never discussed further, as she knew that was not me and accepted it as an accident. What if she believed I could see and did it on purpose? What if she had a different demeanor? Incident might be looked at differently if we had a dispute and I was gaining a lot of power.
There are MANY incidents that are shades of grey. I would assume many of us have dated and maybe one is moving a little faster than the other and the hands wander. Is that always a sexual assault?
Foo wrote:
They are all known to effect memory. Memory and emotion are intertwined. Taking substances to dull emotions often significantly impacts memory.
She may have interacted once with a man who has been a public figure since 2000. He was a known name in political circles for the last 18 years. Perhaps in her mind, something did happen to this lady, and over the years, it became the most famous person it was plausible she could know.
Based on every witness she has cited, including a friend of hers, saying they were not there, and other people coming forward and admitting they may be the ones she is confusing Kavanaugh with, you have to consider faulty memory, confusion, etc.
Remember, just yesterday she could not even remember if she shared the confidential notes of her therapy with a prominent national newspaper withing the last few weeks. That seems like something you would recall quite easily.
faulty memory could certainly be an issue. the friends not remembering being there, could be easily explained though, unless they were witness actually to what was done to her.
Right, so that is why her history of medications become relevant in an investigation like this. Literally the only thing this entire thing hinges on is her perfect memory of the incident. An incident where she does not know where she was, all her witnesses say thhey were not there, and she can't explain how she got home.
Ever been abandoned in a strange place miles away with no phone, not knowing where you are, etc? Pretty traumatic, right? Might you recall what happened that enabled you to get home?
And that’s true of many traumas where you remember some key bits but not every damn detail. That’s why she is credible, she hasn’t presented some pretend picture of perfect recollection and has admitted as much.
No, I’m good. I’m sure you will enjoy rewatching itvenough for the both of us
Ok. Pipe down then, if you're not going to engage im conversation.
You know I have a valid point and you're doing that liberal thing where you convince yourself that I'm a bullshit artist. I just shared a personal story that you're throwing out the window because you're sticking to a narrative that you've been spoon fed by a bunch of dishonest clowns,
your take is that unless nobody can lie about it, then everyone should be assumed to be liars. So fuck off woth YouTube videos and stupid anecdotes.
That cute liberal thing I keep mentioning. Lol. Can't face tough facts, so you make shit up to feel better about your stance.
"The truth hurts, so I'm gonna crawl back in my safe space and insult you for sexually assaulting and raping my viewpoints".
For there to be tough facts to face you’d need facts. Anecdotes aren’t facts.
showa58taro wrote:Because they can’t defend Kavanaugh after his shitshow, they have to try and tear down Dr Ford with totally unsubstantiated falsehoods and guesses to undermine her character, despite the heart wrenching testimony she surrendered in a hostile environment.
Two questions:
1. Have you ever been falsely accused?
2. How did it make you feel?
1. Yes
2. Determined to learn from it.
I mean not that this is relevant since Kavanaugh was not falsely accused, he was just revealed to be a drunk who doesn’t respect women when intoxivated, a liar, and s man with an incredible bias against the left. Why should he be on a court that judges things for all of America when he visibly hates and disrespects half of it b
US Senators were calling him evil. I am glad he stood up for himself. I would have brought up Cory Booker's admission that Cory sexually assaulted a 15 year old if he said that to me.
And you are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions when lots of people who have been around him for a long time are saying the opposite.
He is evil. You sexually assault women, there isn’t a grey zone of decency. That’s the thing that seems to get lost. You can know someone as good or decent or even a close friend and yet they can be guilty of terrible things that come to light suddenly. Doesn’t invalidate that they have done good things, neither does doing good make them immune to criticism of the bad.
And no, it’s not jumping to conclusions, he was chosen for being hyper-partisan and right wing and his behavior prived thatb
who did he sexually assault?
When I gave my story of a sexual assault I may have committed, did you think I was evil?
I will give you another. We were playing Marco Polo in the pool when I was around 14-15. My friend/neighbor was also playing, she is a year younger. My eyes closed, I lunged, and my finger got hooked on her bathing suit, pulling it nearly off. She gave me a light slap. Never discussed further, as she knew that was not me and accepted it as an accident. What if she believed I could see and did it on purpose? What if she had a different demeanor? Incident might be looked at differently if we had a dispute and I was gaining a lot of power.
There are MANY incidents that are shades of grey. I would assume many of us have dated and maybe one is moving a little faster than the other and the hands wander. Is that always a sexual assault?
Dr Ford and possibly others by the sound of it. That’s who he assaulted.
Also why invent intentionally grey area scenarios, when you could use the black and white one that was presented.
Foo wrote:
They are all known to effect memory. Memory and emotion are intertwined. Taking substances to dull emotions often significantly impacts memory.
She may have interacted once with a man who has been a public figure since 2000. He was a known name in political circles for the last 18 years. Perhaps in her mind, something did happen to this lady, and over the years, it became the most famous person it was plausible she could know.
Based on every witness she has cited, including a friend of hers, saying they were not there, and other people coming forward and admitting they may be the ones she is confusing Kavanaugh with, you have to consider faulty memory, confusion, etc.
Remember, just yesterday she could not even remember if she shared the confidential notes of her therapy with a prominent national newspaper withing the last few weeks. That seems like something you would recall quite easily.
faulty memory could certainly be an issue. the friends not remembering being there, could be easily explained though, unless they were witness actually to what was done to her.
Right, so that is why her history of medications become relevant in an investigation like this. Literally the only thing this entire thing hinges on is her perfect memory of the incident. An incident where she does not know where she was, all her witnesses say thhey were not there, and she can't explain how she got home.
Ever been abandoned in a strange place miles away with no phone, not knowing where you are, etc? Pretty traumatic, right? Might you recall what happened that enabled you to get home?
i don't know. it's just silly to speculate how i would act in a situation, and try to use that against someone else. i've never been raped. i've never drunk to the point of changing my mood or behavior. i've never been on anti-depressants. and most importantly i'm not her.
i already said that memory could be an issue. i get why the investigators would go through her use of drugs. i was asking why you brought it up. and i got my answer. you don't have to try to lump other shit in along with it.
Silly? That is the whole basis of not only law but also of polite society. How would a reasonable person view such an act is the foundation of it all. Would I have stolen? Would I have feared for my life? Would I have done this or that?
I thought you wanted to have another pity party about mood altering drugs or something when you asked. I thought it was apparent that you would want to understand the mental state of a person making an accusation where literally no one, even those she claimed were there, are agreeing with.
showa58taro wrote:Because they can’t defend Kavanaugh after his shitshow, they have to try and tear down Dr Ford with totally unsubstantiated falsehoods and guesses to undermine her character, despite the heart wrenching testimony she surrendered in a hostile environment.
Two questions:
1. Have you ever been falsely accused?
2. How did it make you feel?
1. Yes
2. Determined to learn from it.
I mean not that this is relevant since Kavanaugh was not falsely accused, he was just revealed to be a drunk who doesn’t respect women when intoxivated, a liar, and s man with an incredible bias against the left. Why should he be on a court that judges things for all of America when he visibly hates and disrespects half of it b
US Senators were calling him evil. I am glad he stood up for himself. I would have brought up Cory Booker's admission that Cory sexually assaulted a 15 year old if he said that to me.
And you are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions when lots of people who have been around him for a long time are saying the opposite.
He is evil. You sexually assault women, there isn’t a grey zone of decency. That’s the thing that seems to get lost. You can know someone as good or decent or even a close friend and yet they can be guilty of terrible things that come to light suddenly. Doesn’t invalidate that they have done good things, neither does doing good make them immune to criticism of the bad.
And no, it’s not jumping to conclusions, he was chosen for being hyper-partisan and right wing and his behavior prived thatb
who did he sexually assault?
When I gave my story of a sexual assault I may have committed, did you think I was evil?
I will give you another. We were playing Marco Polo in the pool when I was around 14-15. My friend/neighbor was also playing, she is a year younger. My eyes closed, I lunged, and my finger got hooked on her bathing suit, pulling it nearly off. She gave me a light slap. Never discussed further, as she knew that was not me and accepted it as an accident. What if she believed I could see and did it on purpose? What if she had a different demeanor? Incident might be looked at differently if we had a dispute and I was gaining a lot of power.
There are MANY incidents that are shades of grey. I would assume many of us have dated and maybe one is moving a little faster than the other and the hands wander. Is that always a sexual assault?
Dr Ford and possibly others by the sound of it. That’s who he assaulted.
Also why invent intentionally grey area scenarios, when you could use the black and white one that was presented.
No, I’m good. I’m sure you will enjoy rewatching itvenough for the both of us
Ok. Pipe down then, if you're not going to engage im conversation.
You know I have a valid point and you're doing that liberal thing where you convince yourself that I'm a bullshit artist. I just shared a personal story that you're throwing out the window because you're sticking to a narrative that you've been spoon fed by a bunch of dishonest clowns,
your take is that unless nobody can lie about it, then everyone should be assumed to be liars. So fuck off woth YouTube videos and stupid anecdotes.
That cute liberal thing I keep mentioning. Lol. Can't face tough facts, so you make shit up to feel better about your stance.
"The truth hurts, so I'm gonna crawl back in my safe space and insult you for sexually assaulting and raping my viewpoints".
For there to be tough facts to face you’d need facts. Anecdotes aren’t facts.
The woman describing her account of Kavanaugh is also anecdotal. But you believe that to be fact, don't cha?
Foo wrote:
They are all known to effect memory. Memory and emotion are intertwined. Taking substances to dull emotions often significantly impacts memory.
She may have interacted once with a man who has been a public figure since 2000. He was a known name in political circles for the last 18 years. Perhaps in her mind, something did happen to this lady, and over the years, it became the most famous person it was plausible she could know.
Based on every witness she has cited, including a friend of hers, saying they were not there, and other people coming forward and admitting they may be the ones she is confusing Kavanaugh with, you have to consider faulty memory, confusion, etc.
Remember, just yesterday she could not even remember if she shared the confidential notes of her therapy with a prominent national newspaper withing the last few weeks. That seems like something you would recall quite easily.
faulty memory could certainly be an issue. the friends not remembering being there, could be easily explained though, unless they were witness actually to what was done to her.
Right, so that is why her history of medications become relevant in an investigation like this. Literally the only thing this entire thing hinges on is her perfect memory of the incident. An incident where she does not know where she was, all her witnesses say thhey were not there, and she can't explain how she got home.
Ever been abandoned in a strange place miles away with no phone, not knowing where you are, etc? Pretty traumatic, right? Might you recall what happened that enabled you to get home?
And that’s true of many traumas where you remember some key bits but not every damn detail. That’s why she is credible, she hasn’t presented some pretend picture of perfect recollection and has admitted as much.
And she may also not be perfectly recollecting who assaulted her, or even if there was an assault.
Foo wrote:
Silly? That is the whole basis of not only law but also of polite society. How would a reasonable person view such an act is the foundation of it all. Would I have stolen? Would I have feared for my life? Would I have done this or that?
I thought you wanted to have another pity party about mood altering drugs or something when you asked. I thought it was apparent that you would want to understand the mental state of a person making an accusation where literally no one, even those she claimed were there, are agreeing with.
understanding and making sense of her viewpoint, and her credibility is what matters. i don't know how i would act because i can't compare myself to her.
No, I’m good. I’m sure you will enjoy rewatching itvenough for the both of us
Ok. Pipe down then, if you're not going to engage im conversation.
You know I have a valid point and you're doing that liberal thing where you convince yourself that I'm a bullshit artist. I just shared a personal story that you're throwing out the window because you're sticking to a narrative that you've been spoon fed by a bunch of dishonest clowns,
your take is that unless nobody can lie about it, then everyone should be assumed to be liars. So fuck off woth YouTube videos and stupid anecdotes.
That cute liberal thing I keep mentioning. Lol. Can't face tough facts, so you make shit up to feel better about your stance.
"The truth hurts, so I'm gonna crawl back in my safe space and insult you for sexually assaulting and raping my viewpoints".
For there to be tough facts to face you’d need facts. Anecdotes aren’t facts.
The woman describing her account of Kavanaugh is also anecdotal. But you believe that to be fact, don't cha?
That cute liberal thing.
What a surprise, you yet again don’t understand a key concept. Her evidence isn’t anecdotal.
Foo wrote:
They are all known to effect memory. Memory and emotion are intertwined. Taking substances to dull emotions often significantly impacts memory.
She may have interacted once with a man who has been a public figure since 2000. He was a known name in political circles for the last 18 years. Perhaps in her mind, something did happen to this lady, and over the years, it became the most famous person it was plausible she could know.
Based on every witness she has cited, including a friend of hers, saying they were not there, and other people coming forward and admitting they may be the ones she is confusing Kavanaugh with, you have to consider faulty memory, confusion, etc.
Remember, just yesterday she could not even remember if she shared the confidential notes of her therapy with a prominent national newspaper withing the last few weeks. That seems like something you would recall quite easily.
faulty memory could certainly be an issue. the friends not remembering being there, could be easily explained though, unless they were witness actually to what was done to her.
Right, so that is why her history of medications become relevant in an investigation like this. Literally the only thing this entire thing hinges on is her perfect memory of the incident. An incident where she does not know where she was, all her witnesses say thhey were not there, and she can't explain how she got home.
Ever been abandoned in a strange place miles away with no phone, not knowing where you are, etc? Pretty traumatic, right? Might you recall what happened that enabled you to get home?
And that’s true of many traumas where you remember some key bits but not every damn detail. That’s why she is credible, she hasn’t presented some pretend picture of perfect recollection and has admitted as much.
And she may also not be perfectly recollecting who assaulted her, or even if there was an assault.
Science suggests otherwise. On which note I need to get to bed.
No, I’m good. I’m sure you will enjoy rewatching itvenough for the both of us
Ok. Pipe down then, if you're not going to engage im conversation.
You know I have a valid point and you're doing that liberal thing where you convince yourself that I'm a bullshit artist. I just shared a personal story that you're throwing out the window because you're sticking to a narrative that you've been spoon fed by a bunch of dishonest clowns,
your take is that unless nobody can lie about it, then everyone should be assumed to be liars. So fuck off woth YouTube videos and stupid anecdotes.
That cute liberal thing I keep mentioning. Lol. Can't face tough facts, so you make shit up to feel better about your stance.
"The truth hurts, so I'm gonna crawl back in my safe space and insult you for sexually assaulting and raping my viewpoints".
For there to be tough facts to face you’d need facts. Anecdotes aren’t facts.
The woman describing her account of Kavanaugh is also anecdotal. But you believe that to be fact, don't cha?
That cute liberal thing.
What a surprise, you yet again don’t understand a key concept. Her evidence isn’t anecdotal.
Your mind is so liberally warped you don't understand what evidence is.
Foo wrote:
Silly? That is the whole basis of not only law but also of polite society. How would a reasonable person view such an act is the foundation of it all. Would I have stolen? Would I have feared for my life? Would I have done this or that?
I thought you wanted to have another pity party about mood altering drugs or something when you asked. I thought it was apparent that you would want to understand the mental state of a person making an accusation where literally no one, even those she claimed were there, are agreeing with.
understanding and making sense of her viewpoint, and her credibility is what matters. i don't know how i would act because i can't compare myself to her.
yeah, i wanted to have another pity party.
What is the credible part of her story? She names four other people as being there and every single one of them deny it, including two who had nothing to do with the alleged assault and one who is a longtime friend of hers.
She can't say when or where it happened, or how she got home. Why in the world would you condemen anyone's character over such weak allegations?
Do you believe she was being truthful to the Senate when she said she could not fly on a plane? Do you think she was being truthful when she said she did not remember if she gave a newspaper reporter the doctor's notes from her therapy sessions within the last two months?
I'm just not comfortable making light of Dr. Ford I do honestly think what she says happened to her did but like I said I don't thing he was the one. Her lawyers and the Democrats coached her into believing it was him and used her for their own benefit. And for democrats narrative is more important than truth in my opinion
Foo wrote:
What is the credible part of her story? She names four other people as being there and every single one of them deny it, including two who had nothing to do with the alleged assault and one who is a longtime friend of hers.
She can't say when or where it happened, or how she got home. Why in the world would you condemen anyone's character over such weak allegations?
Do you believe she was being truthful to the Senate when she said she could not fly on a plane? Do you think she was being truthful when she said she did not remember if she gave a newspaper reporter the doctor's notes from her therapy sessions within the last two months?
i don't think that naming witnesses that don't remember being there, points to lack of credibility, especially if those witnesses were just at a party, and not actually there to see what was done to her.
i thought she did say when and where it happened? if not, then how can anyone else recall that they were not there during that time or at that place? i hope that we can all look at how quick we are to judge someone's character and work to change that in ourselves.
i suspect that a lot of the excuses made were out of fear and anxiety. and could be that also played a part in recalling things that she was asked about. but it could be that she's being dishonest too. i don't know.
Foo wrote:
What is the credible part of her story? She names four other people as being there and every single one of them deny it, including two who had nothing to do with the alleged assault and one who is a longtime friend of hers.
She can't say when or where it happened, or how she got home. Why in the world would you condemen anyone's character over such weak allegations?
Do you believe she was being truthful to the Senate when she said she could not fly on a plane? Do you think she was being truthful when she said she did not remember if she gave a newspaper reporter the doctor's notes from her therapy sessions within the last two months?
i don't think that naming witnesses that don't remember being there, points to lack of credibility, especially if those witnesses were just at a party, and not actually there to see what was done to her.
i thought she did say when and where it happened? if not, then how can anyone else recall that they were not there during that time or at that place? i hope that we can all look at how quick we are to judge someone's character and work to change that in ourselves.
i suspect that a lot of the excuses made were out of fear and anxiety. and could be that also played a part in recalling things that she was asked about. but it could be that she's being dishonest too. i don't know.
Zombs she doesn't know where or when it happened or how she got there or got home and she didn't drive so it's just to vague to understand and she says she had one beer. 4 people and you can't remember any of that it's just hard to swallow. Her friend supposed to be there too and she don't remember ever being at a party with 3 other people 1 being her close friend and one the guy she is naming.
Tiggnutz wrote:
Zombs she doesn't know where or when it happened or how she got there or got home and she didn't drive so it's just to vague to understand and she says she had one beer. 4 people and you can't remember any of that it's just hard to swallow. Her friend supposed to be there too and she don't remember ever being at a party with 3 other people 1 being her close friend and one the guy she is naming.
where the assault happened, as in which room or whatever, or where the party was even?
if she doesn't remember when the party happened or where it happened, then how can anyone else recall that they weren't there. how can two other guys remember that they were there?
not remembering how she got there or how she got home, could be explained by emotional trauma caused by the rape. whether it was rape by kavanaugh or by the two other guys that came forward.
Tiggnutz wrote:
Zombs she doesn't know where or when it happened or how she got there or got home and she didn't drive so it's just to vague to understand and she says she had one beer. 4 people and you can't remember any of that it's just hard to swallow. Her friend supposed to be there too and she don't remember ever being at a party with 3 other people 1 being her close friend and one the guy she is naming.
where the assault happened, as in which room or whatever, or where the party was even?
if she doesn't remember when the party happened or where it happened, then how can anyone else recall that they weren't there. how can two other guys remember that they were there?
not remembering how she got there or how she got home, could be explained by emotional trauma caused by the rape. whether it was rape by kavanaugh or by the two other guys that came forward.
look at it from her friends perspective as I'm aware there's 4 people this attack took 3 of them in a room leaving just her by herself. Would her friend remember leaving her there with 2 guys one she says she didn't know. I personally would remember leaving my friend far from home with 2 other people or I would remember leaving with her possibly in distress. This is my speculation but you see where I'm going.
