Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia

[showa58taro]

oh, my mistake.

LMAO!

My man.

[Jason]

I can teach you guys how to properly use that gif.

[showa58taro]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

I think the idea that this is "acting white" in this context is about success vs failure. But the use of the term "acting white" in this context is specifically because it is affecting a black community and it is their way of seeking to ostracise the individual in question.

I am going to assume Foo accepts that this is not the case for all black communities everywhere, and that there are also your much less thug-life-hoodlum inspired black people at least somewhere in the US.

The valid question remains, in this caricature'd position of Foo's, what is the solution and what can be done about it? How do you get certain communities to feel that education is valuable, and therefore that there are things they should aspire to that aren't gold teeth and a pit bull?

[showa58taro]

I can teach you guys how to properly use that gif.

No, you can't.

[Jason]

I can teach you guys how to properly use that gif.

No, you can't.

I was actually gonna take it back. If you didn't learn how to use it after all those times I scolded you with it then you'll certainly never learn.

[Jason]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

Holy shit. Stop creating a scenario out of your ass so you can apologize for them. They are animals. They grew up in shitty homes? Tough. Tell their black parents to raise their black children better.

[showa58taro]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

Holy shit. Stop creating a scenario out of your ass so you can apologize for them. They are animals. They grew up in shitty homes? Tough. Tell their black parents to raise their black children better.

How is that apologizing? I'm making an analogy for why that is happening. That's all. To me:

1. They are not animals, they're all humans and I believe in all honesty if in a different circumstance they would make different choices.

2. If they do grow up in shitty homes, and they have shitty parents, then that probably is the problem. So how would you fix that? What is the best way to get parents to be better parents, or failing that to limit the damage they can do to their kids and then society.

[Jason]

1) If Hitler had grown up under different circumstances, maybe things would've been different.

[showa58taro]

1) If Hitler had grown up under different circumstances, maybe things would've been different.

So your default position is that these people are all just animals, pure and simple. So presumably then the answer is to just kill them all in an act of mercy for the rest of us?

[Foo]

One would think the liberals who are do in touch with the black community might know what "acting white" is.

If you "act white", you are valuing education. Doing so removes you from many social circles. Other activities than can be considered as "acting white":

- preparing for college
- respecting police
- speaking with proper dialect
- reporting crimes
- dressing appropriately for work/school
- abstaining from drugs
- committed marriage before children

At that point I guess I'd suggest that I would like everyone of all races to "act white" . . .

Well, that is the absurdity of people mocking others for those things.

[Foo]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

Holy shit. Stop creating a scenario out of your ass so you can apologize for them. They are animals. They grew up in shitty homes? Tough. Tell their black parents to raise their black children better.

How is that apologizing? I'm making an analogy for why that is happening. That's all. To me:

1. They are not animals, they're all humans and I believe in all honesty if in a different circumstance they would make different choices.

2. If they do grow up in shitty homes, and they have shitty parents, then that probably is the problem. So how would you fix that? What is the best way to get parents to be better parents, or failing that to limit the damage they can do to their kids and then society.

Of course we all may make different choices under different circumstances, what happens in the black community right now is so much squandered opportunity...broken families, drugs, crime.

The criminals are liberals, making excuses instead of the tough love needed to break the cycle.

[showa58taro]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

Holy shit. Stop creating a scenario out of your ass so you can apologize for them. They are animals. They grew up in shitty homes? Tough. Tell their black parents to raise their black children better.

How is that apologizing? I'm making an analogy for why that is happening. That's all. To me:

1. They are not animals, they're all humans and I believe in all honesty if in a different circumstance they would make different choices.

2. If they do grow up in shitty homes, and they have shitty parents, then that probably is the problem. So how would you fix that? What is the best way to get parents to be better parents, or failing that to limit the damage they can do to their kids and then society.

Of course we all may make different choices under different circumstances, what happens in the black community right now is so much squandered opportunity...broken families, drugs, crime.

The criminals are liberals, making excuses instead of the tough love needed to break the cycle.

Ok, I made this topic to go along for your ride, not mine. So we say tough love. What would you like to see happen? Remove all unemployment benefits to those who don't keep their kids in school? Take the kids away? More police? Tell them "your life sucks, deal with it" through a megaphone all day? What do you think "Tough love" would look like, and what results are you thinking you'll see?

[showa58taro]

One would think the liberals who are do in touch with the black community might know what "acting white" is.

If you "act white", you are valuing education. Doing so removes you from many social circles. Other activities than can be considered as "acting white":

- preparing for college
- respecting police
- speaking with proper dialect
- reporting crimes
- dressing appropriately for work/school
- abstaining from drugs
- committed marriage before children

At that point I guess I'd suggest that I would like everyone of all races to "act white" . . .

Well, that is the absurdity of people mocking others for those things.

I agree. Those are fine aspirational qualities, not something that should be disparaged. 100% with you on that.

[Foo]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

Holy shit. Stop creating a scenario out of your ass so you can apologize for them. They are animals. They grew up in shitty homes? Tough. Tell their black parents to raise their black children better.

How is that apologizing? I'm making an analogy for why that is happening. That's all. To me:

1. They are not animals, they're all humans and I believe in all honesty if in a different circumstance they would make different choices.

2. If they do grow up in shitty homes, and they have shitty parents, then that probably is the problem. So how would you fix that? What is the best way to get parents to be better parents, or failing that to limit the damage they can do to their kids and then society.

Of course we all may make different choices under different circumstances, what happens in the black community right now is so much squandered opportunity...broken families, drugs, crime.

The criminals are liberals, making excuses instead of the tough love needed to break the cycle.

Ok, I made this topic to go along for your ride, not mine. So we say tough love. What would you like to see happen? Remove all unemployment benefits to those who don't keep their kids in school? Take the kids away? More police? Tell them "your life sucks, deal with it" through a megaphone all day? What do you think "Tough love" would look like, and what results are you thinking you'll see?

We could start by telling the truth. The truth is that there is opportunity that is constantly squandered by stupid behaviors. Stop having children out of wedlock, go to school, work, and stay away from substances.

These people are in America. They have better opportunities than 90% of the world and people risk their lives to get here for less opportunity. My fiancé is from Venezuela, a malfunctioning nation where there is literally no opportunity. Travel around to Latin America, Africa, and India and you see how absurd any claims about lack of opportunity here are.

We give people tax money they can use on candy and energy drinks. My fiancé is a dentist who lives with her mother who is a doctor, and they are frequently locked down in their home with no internet, no places to shop, people standing in lines hoping the government will allow them to buy flour and toilet paper.

[showa58taro]

I would agree that I don't think it doesn't have anything specifically to do with race, but let's accept that there is likely an issue akin to crabs in a pot, where poor, disenfranchised communities who don't have a lot of options to get out of their difficult community, will see someone making an effort to do so and try to pull them back in. That's certainly what that behaviour sounds like, almost a "I can't succeed so why should you" type thing.

Holy shit. Stop creating a scenario out of your ass so you can apologize for them. They are animals. They grew up in shitty homes? Tough. Tell their black parents to raise their black children better.

How is that apologizing? I'm making an analogy for why that is happening. That's all. To me:

1. They are not animals, they're all humans and I believe in all honesty if in a different circumstance they would make different choices.

2. If they do grow up in shitty homes, and they have shitty parents, then that probably is the problem. So how would you fix that? What is the best way to get parents to be better parents, or failing that to limit the damage they can do to their kids and then society.

Of course we all may make different choices under different circumstances, what happens in the black community right now is so much squandered opportunity...broken families, drugs, crime.

The criminals are liberals, making excuses instead of the tough love needed to break the cycle.

Ok, I made this topic to go along for your ride, not mine. So we say tough love. What would you like to see happen? Remove all unemployment benefits to those who don't keep their kids in school? Take the kids away? More police? Tell them "your life sucks, deal with it" through a megaphone all day? What do you think "Tough love" would look like, and what results are you thinking you'll see?

We could start by telling the truth. The truth is that there is opportunity that is constantly squandered by stupid behaviors. Stop having children out of wedlock, go to school, work, and stay away from substances.

These people are in America. They have better opportunities than 90% of the world and people risk their lives to get here for less opportunity. My fiancé is from Venezuela, a malfunctioning nation where there is literally no opportunity. Travel around to Latin America, Africa, and India and you see how absurd any claims about lack of opportunity here are.

We give people tax money they can use on candy and energy drinks. My fiancé is a dentist who lives with her mother who is a doctor, and they are frequently locked down in their home with no internet, no places to shop, people standing in lines hoping the government will allow them to buy flour and toilet paper.

Are you envisioning Trump-style rallies to affirm how much opportunity they have, or just pamphlets through the door, people knocking on their doors to tell them how much opportunity they have?

And the second point, you want to take away all government handouts to all communities, forcing them to seize their opportunities?

[Tiggnutz]

Removing Democrats from leadership of the more crime ridden cities would be a step in the right direction their policies only exasperate problems.

[showa58taro]

Removing Democrats from leadership of the more crime ridden cities would be a step in the right direction their policies only exasperate problems.

Which policies, and what would you like to see those policies replaced with?

[showa58taro]

Removing Democrats from leadership of the more crime ridden cities would be a step in the right direction their policies only exasperate problems.

Tell you what is also interesting, is that you are right that a lot of cities have Democratic mayors. I thought I'd see a list of republicans in the southern states, but even places like New Orleans, Memphis, Kansas City, Miami, none of their major cities have Republican mayors. Interesting.

[Reign in Blood]

Solution to all ills is simple. We should give liberals their own side of the country; I will even let them choose which they want, west or east, north or south. They do their thing, normal folk will do our thing, normal folk will be happy and prosperous and then god and nature will sort out the liberal side. Chock full of win for all.

[Tiggnutz]

Democrats are happy to just ignore tough problems or blame someone else. If that fails and they are forced to address a problem than the next step is always the same throw tons of money at it. Cities with the very worse crime won't ever change because you can't fix a problem you won't admit exists. Leaders here in Baltimore still sell the same bullshit that it's just a handful of bad apples causing all the problems here. Refusal to except reality.