put them both on the list?Jason wrote:This is why I can't make a top all time horror movie list. How do you rank this in comparison to something like Friday IV? They're so different and so enjoyable on completely different levels.
Yeah, but how would you even rank them? I'm just using Friday IV as an example since it's so different from this one. What's the criteria of putting one over the other when you enjoy them so differently...zombie wrote:put them both on the list?Jason wrote:This is why I can't make a top all time horror movie list. How do you rank this in comparison to something like Friday IV? They're so different and so enjoyable on completely different levels.
i wouldn't put either on a top 10, but probably 20-25 for black christmas. great flick.
i can't really answer that for you. but it would seem to be an issue with most genres, if it is with horror?Jason wrote:Yeah, but how would you even rank them? I'm just using Friday IV as an example since it's so different from this one. What's the criteria of putting one over the other when you enjoy them so differently...zombie wrote:put them both on the list?Jason wrote:This is why I can't make a top all time horror movie list. How do you rank this in comparison to something like Friday IV? They're so different and so enjoyable on completely different levels.
i wouldn't put either on a top 10, but probably 20-25 for black christmas. great flick.
What? She dies at the end.zombie wrote:go back and watch laurie strode in halloween, and tell me that. at least, jess survived on her own ability.
i read it as ambiguous. she was still alive, but sleeping when we left her, while the phone was ringing to wake her and frighten her again, presumably.Slaughterhouserock wrote:What? She dies at the end.zombie wrote:go back and watch laurie strode in halloween, and tell me that. at least, jess survived on her own ability.
The phone call indicated her death. He only made the calls after killing someone.zombie wrote:i read it as ambiguous. she was still alive, but sleeping when we left her, while the phone was ringing to wake her and frighten her again, presumably.
i think there was one call at least that came without a prior kill? and he called them at some point, before the film even started too. because the first call we see, they mention "it's him again, the moaner"...Slaughterhouserock wrote:The phone call indicated her death. He only made the calls after killing someone.zombie wrote:i read it as ambiguous. she was still alive, but sleeping when we left her, while the phone was ringing to wake her and frighten her again, presumably.
We don't know anything about Billy other than what happens at the house. There was the dead girl in the woods, which was most likely one of his victims prior to holing up in the attic, hence the first phone call. There may have been others as well, which would be the calls that happened before the film starts(we don't know how many times he's called, and if he killed anyone else beforehand). But once he's in the house, all calls come after a kill. I'm pretty sure the cop even mentions it at one point.zombie wrote:i think there was one call at least that came without a prior kill? and he called them at some point, before the film even started too. because the first call we see, they mention "it's him again, the moaner"...
this gives me an excuse to watch again.
if the cops said that, then they're wrong. cause they didn't even find all of the bodies.Slaughterhouserock wrote:We don't know anything about Billy other than what happens at the house. There was the dead girl in the woods, which was most likely one of his victims prior to holing up in the attic, hence the first phone call. There may have been others as well, which would be the calls that happened before the film starts(we don't know how many times he's called, and if he killed anyone else beforehand). But once he's in the house, all calls come after a kill. I'm pretty sure the cop even mentions it at one point.zombie wrote:i think there was one call at least that came without a prior kill? and he called them at some point, before the film even started too. because the first call we see, they mention "it's him again, the moaner"...
this gives me an excuse to watch again.
Believe what you want, but I guarantee that was an intended plot point. There are lots of little details thrown about in this film, and that's one of the things that makes it so great. The fact that we know nothing about Billy is brilliant. He could have killed dozens of people before getting to the house, we don't know. It's a holiday, so people are leaving to visit family, so disappearances could easily go unnoticed. The fact that the dead girl is found and we didn't even know about that girl being missing makes it even more probable that he's been at this for awhile before the film even starts. It's a great way to show that we've just been dropped into this thing that's already in-progress, and we're just getting to see a small part of it. For all we know, Billy kept going after that final call and killed countless more people. It's a chapter of a much larger story, but is still is compelling enough on its own to be an amazing film.zombie wrote:if the cops said that, then they're wrong. cause they didn't even find all of the bodies.
yeah, we're both believing what we want to. the end was left ambiguous for the viewer to decide. and it is a great film.Slaughterhouserock wrote:Believe what you want, but I guarantee that was an intended plot point. There are lots of little details thrown about in this film, and that's one of the things that makes it so great. The fact that we know nothing about Billy is brilliant. He could have killed dozens of people before getting to the house, we don't know. It's a holiday, so people are leaving to visit family, so disappearances could easily go unnoticed. The fact that the dead girl is found and we didn't even know about that girl being missing makes it even more probable that he's been at this for awhile before the film even starts. It's a great way to show that we've just been dropped into this thing that's already in-progress, and we're just getting to see a small part of it. For all we know, Billy kept going after that final call and killed countless more people. It's a chapter of a much larger story, but is still is compelling enough on its own to be an amazing film.zombie wrote:if the cops said that, then they're wrong. cause they didn't even find all of the bodies.
again, the ending is purposely ambiguous. so you decide, as a viewer, how you want to see it. From an interview with Bob Clark:zombie wrote:yeah, we're both believing what we want to. the end was left ambiguous for the viewer to decide. and it is a great film.
I didn't say he called after every kill, but that the calls always came after a kill, there's a difference. It can also be said that he only calls after killing girls, since that's his real objective. As Bob Clark has said "he doesn't like girls".zombie wrote:so john saxoo's character did say that he (peter) must've made a call after every kill. but that's not right. because billy didn't make a call after he killed the cop. (which they didn't account for because they didn't find clare's body) so we don't actually know billy's pattern.
You like girls, Billy doesn't. :pzombie wrote:to me, the power of the film is the mystery of the killer and allowing him to live on, not wrapping everything up in the end. but fair enough.
jess survived everything we saw in the film, on her own accord. the same can not be said of some other great, more highly regarded final girls.
