Random Political Comments

[zombie]

Well, people are looking for any excuse to not care about it anyway, so that’s true. They’re relieved that they can stop feigning outrage over the murder.

nothing is going to change for the minority unless they get the majority on their side. i guess we have to ask if the minority destroying property and hurting innocents (including their own communities) in the midst of their protest and riot, will bring the majority in this country to side with them.

Gotta make white people comfortable to get anything done.

Fuck them. They never cared in the first place. They couldn’t be more happy to have an excuse to stop talking about the murder. Needing to bend over backwards to please those people is why nothing changes.

that's not what i said.

Sure. Who is “the majority”?

the majority in this country is white people. that part was right.

[Headhunter]

Well, people are looking for any excuse to not care about it anyway, so that’s true. They’re relieved that they can stop feigning outrage over the murder.

nothing is going to change for the minority unless they get the majority on their side. i guess we have to ask if the minority destroying property and hurting innocents (including their own communities) in the midst of their protest and riot, will bring the majority in this country to side with them.

Gotta make white people comfortable to get anything done.

Fuck them. They never cared in the first place. They couldn’t be more happy to have an excuse to stop talking about the murder. Needing to bend over backwards to please those people is why nothing changes.

that's not what i said.

Sure. Who is “the majority”?

the majority in this country is white people. that part was right.

How is any of it wrong? If people aren’t sure whether they side with the black community because of this, it’s disingenuous and they never gave a fuck in the first place. Human beings are complex and capable of compartmentalization.

You talk about needing the majority on their side. So you need to make these people comfortable. People who don’t actually care in the first place. You may not like the logical endpoint of what you said but that’s ultimately what it is.

[zombie]

Well, people are looking for any excuse to not care about it anyway, so that’s true. They’re relieved that they can stop feigning outrage over the murder.

nothing is going to change for the minority unless they get the majority on their side. i guess we have to ask if the minority destroying property and hurting innocents (including their own communities) in the midst of their protest and riot, will bring the majority in this country to side with them.

Gotta make white people comfortable to get anything done.

Fuck them. They never cared in the first place. They couldn’t be more happy to have an excuse to stop talking about the murder. Needing to bend over backwards to please those people is why nothing changes.

that's not what i said.

Sure. Who is “the majority”?

the majority in this country is white people. that part was right.

How is any of it wrong? If people aren’t sure whether they side with the black community because of this, it’s disingenuous and they never gave a fuck in the first place. Human beings are complex and capable of compartmentalization.

You talk about needing the majority on their side. So you need to make these people comfortable. People who don’t actually care in the first place. You may not like the logical endpoint of what you said but that’s ultimately what it is.

you're reading one post in a vacuum, and judging my entire position for that one post alone.

[Headhunter]

For the record, there is no acceptable form of protest to anyone who will dismiss the murder because of the riots. They were offended by a guy taking a knee, harming absolutely nobody. They’re all full of shit.

[zombie]

For the record, there is no acceptable form of protest to anyone who will dismiss the murder because of the riots. They were offended by a guy taking a knee, harming absolutely nobody. They’re all full of shit.

you're probably right. but i don't think people like that are the majority. they share traits with the larger majority, but they are minority within that group.

[Headhunter]

Well, people are looking for any excuse to not care about it anyway, so that’s true. They’re relieved that they can stop feigning outrage over the murder.

nothing is going to change for the minority unless they get the majority on their side. i guess we have to ask if the minority destroying property and hurting innocents (including their own communities) in the midst of their protest and riot, will bring the majority in this country to side with them.

Gotta make white people comfortable to get anything done.

Fuck them. They never cared in the first place. They couldn’t be more happy to have an excuse to stop talking about the murder. Needing to bend over backwards to please those people is why nothing changes.

that's not what i said.

Sure. Who is “the majority”?

the majority in this country is white people. that part was right.

How is any of it wrong? If people aren’t sure whether they side with the black community because of this, it’s disingenuous and they never gave a fuck in the first place. Human beings are complex and capable of compartmentalization.

You talk about needing the majority on their side. So you need to make these people comfortable. People who don’t actually care in the first place. You may not like the logical endpoint of what you said but that’s ultimately what it is.

you're reading one post in a vacuum, and judging my entire position for that one post alone.

Not at all. You choose to make it about yourself, I’m talking about the people who are incapable of compartmentalizing, not because they can’t but because they’re full of shit in the first place. The need to get these people and their ever moving goalposts on their side is why nothing changes.

[Headhunter]

For the record, there is no acceptable form of protest to anyone who will dismiss the murder because of the riots. They were offended by a guy taking a knee, harming absolutely nobody. They’re all full of shit.

you're probably right. but i don't think people like that are the majority. they share traits with the larger majority, but they are minority within that group.

I think it’s a larger group than most are comfortable admitting. Some of it may be so ingrained that they don’t even recognize it in themselves. MLK’s point about people siding with order over justice is prescient here.

Anyone who uses the riots to downplay the murder is just telling on themselves. They’re the ones who were looking for an out, they always do. However you feel about the riots should have zero effect on perception of the murder. We’re all smarter and more complex than we give ourselves credit for.

[zombie]

Not at all. You choose to make it about yourself, I’m talking about the people who are incapable of compartmentalizing, not because they can’t but because they’re full of shit in the first place. The need to get these people and their ever moving goalposts on their side is why nothing changes.

nothing changes, at least we can work from there, as to how to work toward change, after seeing riots not really change anything positively in a lasting way. what can we do? what needs to happen for change to occur?

[showa58taro]

there has to be systemic change within the police force. sometimes you have to become monsters to fight monsters. but let's don't pretend that you're not monsters, when you do. let's not excuse or ignore what you did to innocents when you became a monster. riots move the wheels of history, but it also rolls over innocents.

Would be interesting to compare innocents hurt by riots vs innocents hurt by police brutality. Certainly one where I haven’t got the numbers.

we call it out when cops hurt innocents. as we should, every time. what i see is trying to excuse or dismiss when riots hurt innocents. and we should not. any time.

For me it’s not excusing it as such. It’s acknowledging that it has a legitimate purpose beyond destruction.

does that justify the destruction? does that make the destruction an acceptable loss?

It accepts it rather than justifying it.

[zombie]

For the record, there is no acceptable form of protest to anyone who will dismiss the murder because of the riots. They were offended by a guy taking a knee, harming absolutely nobody. They’re all full of shit.

you're probably right. but i don't think people like that are the majority. they share traits with the larger majority, but they are minority within that group.

I think it’s a larger group than most are comfortable admitting. Some of it may be so ingrained that they don’t even recognize it in themselves. MLK’s point about people siding with order over justice is prescient here.

Anyone who uses the riots to downplay the murder is just telling on themselves. They’re the ones who were looking for an out, they always do. However you feel about the riots should have zero effect on perception of the murder. We’re all smarter and more complex than we give ourselves credit for.

how you feel about the riots shouldn't take your focus away from the murder. they should be linked. but i don't see that happening. i see people becoming angry about the destruction and hurting of innocents and not accounting for how it happened. not recognizing that the reason it happened was a murder by a police officer. how do we keep anger in the right place?

[zombie]

there has to be systemic change within the police force. sometimes you have to become monsters to fight monsters. but let's don't pretend that you're not monsters, when you do. let's not excuse or ignore what you did to innocents when you became a monster. riots move the wheels of history, but it also rolls over innocents.

Would be interesting to compare innocents hurt by riots vs innocents hurt by police brutality. Certainly one where I haven’t got the numbers.

we call it out when cops hurt innocents. as we should, every time. what i see is trying to excuse or dismiss when riots hurt innocents. and we should not. any time.

For me it’s not excusing it as such. It’s acknowledging that it has a legitimate purpose beyond destruction.

does that justify the destruction? does that make the destruction an acceptable loss?

It accepts it rather than justifying it.

would you still accept it, if it was your community or your family?

[Headhunter]

[quote="Headhunter"}
Not at all. You choose to make it about yourself, I’m talking about the people who are incapable of compartmentalizing, not because they can’t but because they’re full of shit in the first place. The need to get these people and their ever moving goalposts on their side is why nothing changes.

nothing changes, at least we can work from there, as to how to work toward change, after seeing riots not really change anything in a lasting way. what can we do? what needs to happen for change to occur?[/quote]
Too many things to count, all dramatic philosophical changes, almost none of which will happen. Demilitarization and complete reform of police tactics. End the War on Drugs. Fix inner city infrastructure. Federal works programs in inner cities offering an alternative to crime. White people need to stop being so uncomfortable living with and among minorities. Pump resources into education where it’s most needed.

Short of that, riots are a proven method whether people are comfortable with them or not. They gave us literally our country, an eight hour work day, gay rights, police reforms..

[Headhunter]

For the record, there is no acceptable form of protest to anyone who will dismiss the murder because of the riots. They were offended by a guy taking a knee, harming absolutely nobody. They’re all full of shit.

you're probably right. but i don't think people like that are the majority. they share traits with the larger majority, but they are minority within that group.

I think it’s a larger group than most are comfortable admitting. Some of it may be so ingrained that they don’t even recognize it in themselves. MLK’s point about people siding with order over justice is prescient here.

Anyone who uses the riots to downplay the murder is just telling on themselves. They’re the ones who were looking for an out, they always do. However you feel about the riots should have zero effect on perception of the murder. We’re all smarter and more complex than we give ourselves credit for.

how you feel about the riots shouldn't take your focus away from the murder. they should be linked. but i don't see that happening. i see people becoming angry about the destruction and hurting of innocents and not accounting for how it happened. not recognizing that the reason it happened was a murder by a police officer. how do we keep anger in the right place?

People make those choices themselves. That’s why I find it to be so transparently bullshit. We’re all capable of making these logical distinctions but people choose not to.

[zombie]

Too many things to count, all dramatic philosophical changes, almost none of which will happen. Demilitarization and complete reform of police tactics. End the War on Drugs. Fix inner city infrastructure. Federal works programs in inner cities offering an alternative to crime. White people need to stop being so uncomfortable living with and among minorities. Pump resources into education where it’s most needed.

Short of that, riots are a proven method whether people are comfortable with them or not. They gave us literally our country, an eight hour work day, gay rights, police reforms..

fair enough. it won't actually hit home for us on hmf, until it does. maybe then, we'll understand what damage and harm riots can do, in the midst of possibly bringing a desperately needed change.

[Headhunter]

It would suck and be disruptive, but the disruption and forcing people to pay attention is the point. Hopefully the frustration would be pointed in the right direction: a system that is so unresponsive to its people’s problems, those people have to break shit to make any kind of impression. That’s a failure at every level but not an unfamiliar one at any point in history.

[zombie]

it is a failure. and the failure is going to continue on, or repeat itself, even after the riots. unless we actually change ourselves as a majority and as a country.

[Tiggnutz]

All the black communities who lost everything and lives were ruined the last couple days would be comforted by knowing you guys are excited and are cool with their sacrifices. When they dont have a place to buy food or medicine knowing a bunch of white people safe in their homes in their non burned out neighborhoods have their backs will definitely ease the suffering.

I thought you couldn’t speak for them...

Only upper white class liberals get to speak for minorities everyone knows that or use their lives and communities as an expendable resource to get things they want. I'm starting to see the benefits of that now.

[Headhunter]

People should also probably spend more energy being outraged at private equity firms that gut businesses from the inside and take away hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs than they are about property damage that is insured. These greedy fucks do more looting then any protesters could ever hope to, and they’re rewarded for it.

[Headhunter]

All the black communities who lost everything and lives were ruined the last couple days would be comforted by knowing you guys are excited and are cool with their sacrifices. When they dont have a place to buy food or medicine knowing a bunch of white people safe in their homes in their non burned out neighborhoods have their backs will definitely ease the suffering.

I thought you couldn’t speak for them...

Only upper white class liberals get to speak for minorities everyone knows that or use their lives and communities as an expendable resource to get things they want. I'm starting to see the benefits of that now.

Pretty sure those minorities are speaking for themselves. Let’s also ignore your own privilege in being content with scumbag cops because they don’t affect your life..

[zombie]

People should also probably spend more energy being outraged at private equity firms that gut businesses from the inside and take away hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs than they are about property damage that is insured. These greedy fucks do more looting then any protesters could ever hope to, and they’re rewarded for it.

considering the bigger problem is also not what the protestors and looters are doing. *shrug*