Trumpcare 2.1

Post by **showa58taro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:48 am

Jason wrote:If only the world were made up of unicorns, rainbows and farts.

Sorry, Seb. Too many lazy and irresponsible people in this world for the world to have such a fairy tale culture.

So what if there's a few lazy people. Are you seriously telling me the only thing that got all the greats out of bed was the idea they had low taxes instead of money, or success or recognition.

Post by **showa58taro** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:12 am

Trumpcare DoA. Victory for people everywhere.

Post by **Tiggnutz** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:42 am

showa58taro wrote:Trumpcare DoA. Victory for people everywhere.

Not really just proof Republicans are useless and shitty at their jobs.

Post by **showa58taro** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:45 am

Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Trumpcare DoA. Victory for people everywhere.
Not really just proof Republicans are useless and shitty at their jobs.

They really suck at crafting anything useful for sure. With luck both sides can now work together to fix the exchanges and improve subsidies to reintroduce variety in the marketplace.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:34 pm

Republicans are naturally better suited for criticizing legislation than creating it in so I think doing nothing until 2018 and repeating what a disaster Obamacare was is really their best option. They never wanted any part of health care.

Post by **showa58taro** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:38 pm

GreT to see McConnell get fucked. Proclaims a "Repeal now, replace later" plan that is instantly killed. Ha! What a cunt.

Post by **showa58taro** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:40 pm

Trump: well let obamacare fail then come up with a plan.

Dude, if you stand idle and watch a problem go badly, YOU are at fault. You can't blame democrats at that point. Good luck with that logic.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:45 pm

showa58taro wrote:Trump: well let obamacare fail then come up with a plan.

Dude, if you stand idle and watch a problem go badly, YOU are at fault. You can't blame democrats at that point. Good luck with that logic.

I wouldn't be so confident in logic here. All of our politics are riddled with "whataboutisms", people really buy into them. Blaming Obama repeatedly will be good enough for half the country.

Post by **showa58taro** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:57 pm

Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Trump: well let obamacare fail then come up with a plan.

Dude, if you stand idle and watch a problem go badly, YOU are at fault. You can't blame democrats at that point. Good luck with that logic.
I wouldn't be so confident in logic here. All of our politics are riddled with "whataboutisms", people really buy into them. Blaming Obama repeatedly will be good enough for half the country.

I disagree. That was fine when you could promise to get into power and then repeal and replace. Now you just look foolish.

Post by **Tiggnutz** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:33 pm

Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Trump: well let obamacare fail then come up with a plan.

Dude, if you stand idle and watch a problem go badly, YOU are at fault. You can't blame democrats at that point. Good luck with that logic.
I wouldn't be so confident in logic here. All of our politics are riddled with "whataboutisms", people really buy into them. Blaming Obama repeatedly will be good enough for half the country.

Why wouldnt you blame him him and his crew fucked it up.

Post by **Foo** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:42 pm

"This legislation is so great I am proud to put my name on it!"

*7 years later*

It is a disaster of epic proportions. So yes, often doing nothing is better then mindlessly legislating. Republicans cannot agree because there is more variety within that party right now. Dems are united against opposing Trump, and conveniently forgetting they created this disaster.

Post by **Foo** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:42 pm

It is like making a bomb, lighting the fuse, and then blaming someone else for not preventing the explosion. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

Post by **Foo** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:50 pm

Also, let me define "retarded". Retarded is claiming something is going to reduce the cost of healthcare when that very thing adds taxes to medical devices and high quality healthcare plans.

"This is our affordable soda plan! We are going to make soda more affordable by making devices that make soda more expensive. We are also going to put a tax on some sodas. Sodas will be more affordable though, because we are gonna make you buy them and we say so."

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:14 pm

Tiggnutz wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Trump: well let obamacare fail then come up with a plan.

Dude, if you stand idle and watch a problem go badly, YOU are at fault. You can't blame democrats at that point. Good luck with that logic.
I wouldn't be so confident in logic here. All of our politics are riddled with "whataboutisms", people really buy into them. Blaming Obama repeatedly will be good enough for half the country.
Why wouldnt you blame him him and his crew fucked it up.

Where did I even make a personal judgment in that post?

Post by **showa58taro** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:13 am

Foo wrote:"This legislation is so great I am proud to put my name on it!"

*7 years later*

It is a disaster of epic proportions. So yes, often doing nothing is better then mindlessly legislating. Republicans cannot agree because there is more variety within that party right now. Dems are united against opposing Trump, and conveniently forgetting they created this disaster.

It has flaws but its also got fixes to those flaws. Half the negative vets arose from Republicans not renewing the market incentivized anyway. Making it more untenable. And the recent issues are all the instability caused by Republicans fucking around.

Post by **Tiggnutz** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:59 am

Headhunter wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Trump: well let obamacare fail then come up with a plan.

Dude, if you stand idle and watch a problem go badly, YOU are at fault. You can't blame democrats at that point. Good luck with that logic.
I wouldn't be so confident in logic here. All of our politics are riddled with "whataboutisms", people really buy into them. Blaming Obama repeatedly will be good enough for half the country.
Why wouldnt you blame him him and his crew fucked it up.
Where did I even make a personal judgment in that post?

So you include yourself in the half of the country that blames Obama repeatedly? Cool cause im in that half too

Post by **Tiggnutz** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:05 am

showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:"This legislation is so great I am proud to put my name on it!"

*7 years later*

It is a disaster of epic proportions. So yes, often doing nothing is better then mindlessly legislating. Republicans cannot agree because there is more variety within that party right now. Dems are united against opposing Trump, and conveniently forgetting they created this disaster.
It has flaws but its also got fixes to those flaws. Half the negative vets arose from Republicans not renewing the market incentivized anyway. Making it more untenable. And the recent issues are all the instability caused by Republicans fucking around.

This is some of my favorite democrat bullshit. It has a few flaws,it only needs to be tweaked a little. One of those little flaws that needs to be tweaked is how to pay for it

Post by **Jason** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:59 am

Obamacare nearly killed me. A blood clot knocked me on my ass, Obamacare held me down for three years of my life that I will never get back.

Jmac Attack · Post by **Jmac Attack** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:58 am

Jason wrote:Obamacare nearly killed me. A blood clot knocked me on my ass, Obamacare held me down for three years of my life that I will never get back.

It definitely has it's flaws, and I never liked it. There are people that I know, that it actually saved their life. One being Amber's best friend's dad. And he hates Obama, lol. Trump and the Republicans are failing YOU....us......on this. You will never admit it though.

I want healthcare that helps you and everyone in America. Fuck the Dems and fuck Trump and company.

......3........2..........1.........before you or someone says "But Hillary and Obama!". Because we can't have a conversation in this country without doing that anymore. And that goes for the other side too bruh bruh.

Post by **showa58taro** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:39 pm

Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:"This legislation is so great I am proud to put my name on it!"

*7 years later*

It is a disaster of epic proportions. So yes, often doing nothing is better then mindlessly legislating. Republicans cannot agree because there is more variety within that party right now. Dems are united against opposing Trump, and conveniently forgetting they created this disaster.
It has flaws but its also got fixes to those flaws. Half the negative vets arose from Republicans not renewing the market incentivized anyway. Making it more untenable. And the recent issues are all the instability caused by Republicans fucking around.
This is some of my favorite democrat bullshit. It has a few flaws,it only needs to be tweaked a little. One of those little flaws that needs to be tweaked is how to pay for it

It has a fundamental flaw, in that it failed to address medical costs and enshrined the retardation that is the insurance industry. But it also has fixes to the smaller flaws which keep it from being expensive for exchanges and limiting market places for insurers. Ultimately it's the step towards universal healthcare the US needs. It's not the end goal.

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